Video of kid accidentally shooting self will be shown at trial. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JDK721;27251323][citation needed][/QUOTE] It looks like they've flip-flopped over the decision. On 9/12/01 they said they would stop selling firearms in case terrorists try to buy from them. They've gone back and forth since then. It seems like it varies by region now. My mistake. [url=http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=281076]THR discussion[/url]

Yeah a large part of the problem was the gun he used, most adults have a hard time controlling the recoil of a Mini Uzi, an 8 year old has no way of doing it without help.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27250019]Then it's a problem with the culture. Guns are designed to kill. Owning a gun so you can fire it at a range proves the problem in the culture. It makes no sense that a [i]weapon[/i] is only used to fire downrange at a target. If people were willing to accept that firing downrange is pointless and even potentially dangerous, then you'd have the removal of some deadly weapons.[/QUOTE] While you're at it, why not ban all auto racing? Waste of fuel and it's dangerous. Should probably ban all privately owned motor vehicles too, people can just use bicycles or public transportation.

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27251634]While you're at it, why not ban all auto racing? Waste of fuel and it's dangerous. Should probably ban all privately owned motor vehicles too, people can just use bicycles or public transportation.[/QUOTE] I knew some idiot would say this, which is why I pointed out guns are designed to kill - vehicles are not.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251673]I knew some idiot would say this, which is why I pointed out guns are designed to kill - vehicles are not.[/QUOTE] Guns were designed for hunting. Besides, far more people are killed every year worldwide by motor vehicles than are killed by firearms in the USA.

Doesn't mean that people aren't killed by vehicles every day.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27251693]Guns were designed for hunting.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing when you hunting, you kill the animal... killing. [QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27251697]Doesn't mean that people aren't killed by vehicles every day.[/QUOTE] Different problem which is unrelated. More people are killed by obesity related health issues or smoking every day.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27251693]Besides, far more people are killed every year worldwide by motor vehicles than are killed by firearms in the USA.[/QUOTE] apples and oranges you can't really compare the two there are far more vehicle owners and vehicles being used every day than firearm owners and firearms being used

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251732]Different problem which is unrelated. More people are killed by obesity related health issues or smoking every day.[/QUOTE] Bullshit it's unrelated. Cars account for more dead people every year than firearms do. Yet there is no outcry to limit or ban the sale of automobiles. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;27251772]apples and oranges you can't really compare the two there are far more vehicle owners and vehicles being used every day than firearm owners and firearms being used[/QUOTE] There are enough firearms in circulation in the US to arm 90% of the population (of all ages) with a single weapon. There are far fewer cars on the road. Closer to 60% of the population could be put behind the wheel, if someone wanted to and had the power. The fact is, it is NOT the device used to cause the death that is to blame, but the person in control of it. You know what would be easier to do than banning all firearms? Making crime illegal.

Oh, it's unrelated? I just wonder why when someone kills another person with a car accidentally, the response is to punish the person who was driving the car, not call for stricter laws concerning the use of motor vehicles. Yet when someone accidentally shoots another person, the response is to ban firearm ownership. Obesity doesn't harm anyone else, just the person who is obese. Smoking harms other people too, but it is tolerated as long as the smokers respect the fact that no one else wants to breathe their smoke. As for hunting, that is why there is Wildlife management, they issue tags or licenses for game, these cost money and the money is used for conservation. Most people who hunt do it for the meat, and in doing so they actually help conserve the wildlife they hunt by maintaining a healthy population and ensuring that wildlife conservation stays well funded. These same hunters will often tell you they have no respect for trophy hunting.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27251803]Bullshit it's unrelated. Cars account for more dead people every year than firearms do. Yet there is no outcry to limit or ban the sale of automobiles.[/QUOTE] What do you fail to understand... cars are not designed to kill, whereas guns are.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251673]I knew some idiot would say this, which is why I pointed out guns are designed to kill - vehicles are not.[/QUOTE] The kid who died from this gun was only using it for fun, and yet only one child has died from that and a plethora have died from automobile accidents, a majority of which are just teenagers going out cruising for fun. They're both accidents caused by something that isn't entirely necessary. So yes, they are very similar. The only real difference is people are far more emotional about guns than cars.

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27251867]Yet when someone accidentally shoots another person, the response is to ban firearm ownership.[/QUOTE] Because the problem is the puropse of the object in question. Food nor cars are designed to kill. The whole objective of a gun is to easily kill something, otherwise we'd still be hunting with knives, spears or arrows.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251908]Because the problem is the puropse of the object in question. Food nor cars are designed to kill. The whole objective of a gun is to easily kill something, otherwise we'd still be hunting with knives, spears or arrows.[/QUOTE] What difference does it make what the thing is designed for if the outcome is the same: Death.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27251896]The only real difference is people are far more emotional about guns than cars.[/QUOTE] There's obviously a reason for that. [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;27251914]What difference does it make what the thing is designed for if the outcome is the same: Death.[/QUOTE] What difference does it make if someone was murdered or accidentally killed, the outcome is still the same: Death. Clearly you can see that's not a valid argument.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251919]There's obviously a reason for that. [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] What difference does it make if someone was murdered or accidentally killed, the outcome is still the same: Death. Clearly you can see that's not a valid argument.[/QUOTE] We're talking about the same exact cause of death here, an accident. It doesn't matter if it was guns or a car, it was still an accident.

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27249827]You can own a tank in the US. You just have to be able to afford it first.[/QUOTE] Only on military or other testing ground though with permit. I think he almost meant "I want to park a tank in my backyard yo"

A gun goes off due to negligence, a car slams into a child due to negligence. I don't see the big difference here.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27251936]We're talking about the same exact cause of death here, an accident. It doesn't matter if it was guns or a car, it was still an accident.[/QUOTE] Accidental death is only one element of the problem.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251878]What do you fail to understand... cars are not designed to kill, whereas guns are.[/QUOTE] What you fail to understand is that even though cars aren't designed to kill, they do anyway. And it is entirely the fault of the person controlling that car when it does happen. Why does someone need a car that can travel at the speed of an airplane? Or a high performance sportscar. People buy those cars because they enjoy them.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27251951]A gun goes off due to negligence, a car slams into a child due to negligence. I don't see the big difference here.[/QUOTE] the parent gave the kid the gun I wouldn't give an 8 year old a car

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;27251947]Only on military or other testing ground though with permit. I think he almost meant "I want to park a tank in my backyard yo"[/QUOTE] You can if it's your own private property. It doesn't need to be on military or testing grounds as long as all weapons on it are registered as NFA items.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251878]What do you fail to understand... cars are not designed to kill, whereas guns are.[/QUOTE] Cars with guns :gonk: [img]http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr268/tjryait/death%20race/thumb1280x1280_2547770136_b5a54c2d2.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251952]Accidental death is only one element of the problem.[/QUOTE] Yeah it really is, in this situation. you know, what this thread is about.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFox;27235305]Rednex.[/QUOTE] Rednecks don't use uzis but I know some of the people around here would have no problem with giving a kid a full size rifle.

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27251956]What you fail to understand is that even though cars aren't designed to kill, they do anyway.[/QUOTE] Food can kill - but you don't see people constantly in constant upheaval over that, like you see with guns. The reason is the difference in purpose. [QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27251956]And it is entirely the fault of the person controlling that car when it does happen. Why does someone need a car that can travel at the speed of an airplane? Or a high performance sportscar. People buy those cars because they enjoy them.[/QUOTE] Irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Jaehead;27251960]the parent gave the kid the gun I wouldn't give an 8 year old a car[/QUOTE] Technically the instructor did. Regardless, it wouldn't have mattered if the instructor accidentally ran over the kid or if he had given him a gun that accidentally killed him. The same outcome, the same person at fault, entirely different response.

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;27251947]Only on military or other testing ground though with permit. I think he almost meant "I want to park a tank in my backyard yo"[/QUOTE] Yes, you can buy a tank, then park it on your front lawn, it can even have a functional main gun, and fully equipped with machineguns if you have the proper paperwork for it. I happen to know a guy who has an armed tank parked in his back yard. You just can't drive it on paved roads because the tracks will damage the road.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27251982]Yeah it really is, in this situation. you know, what this thread is about.[/QUOTE] The discussion came about when I said gun culture in the US is bad.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252015]The discussion came about when I said gun culture in the US is bad.[/QUOTE] Yeah good job opening that can of worms by the way.