[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27252026]Yeah good job opening that can of worms by the way.[/QUOTE]
;)
[QUOTE=Ridge;27252045][img_thumb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/gunstar9/1223325646442.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Once again, it's the purpose that differs, which is the problem.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27251999]Food can kill - but you don't see people constantly in constant upheaval over that, like you see with guns. The reason is the difference in purpose.[/QUOTE]
Actually yes, there is constant upheaval about the quality of food being sold in stores, restaurants and fast food services.
[QUOTE]Irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
How is it irrelevant? Explain that to me. Why is it that the sale of high performance vehicles is allowed when a more modest vehicle with better fuel efficiency and a better safety rating is readily available?
[QUOTE=Ridge;27252045][img_thumb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/gunstar9/1223325646442.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Canada probably has 1/41 of the population USA does though :v:
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252068];)
Once again, it's the purpose that differs, which is the problem.[/QUOTE]
Cars were designed to kill squirrels and asphalt
[QUOTE=Ridge;27252096]Cars were designed to kill squirrels and asphalt[/QUOTE]
Don't forget Deer, too bad the meat goes to waste.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27252073]Actually yes, there is constant upheaval about the quality of food being sold in stores, restaurants and fast food services.[/QUOTE]
Even if you wanted to count that as "upheaval", it's on a very minimal scale to gun control.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27252073]How is it irrelevant? Explain that to me. Why is it that the sale of high performance vehicles is allowed when a more modest vehicle with better fuel efficiency and a better safety rating is readily available?[/QUOTE]
Because accidental death is only one part of the problem with American gun culture. Even if you want to believe that deaths as a result of cars is on the same level as deaths as a result from guns, you're clearly forgetting the whole purpose of a weapon.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252015]The discussion came about when I said gun culture in the US is bad.[/QUOTE]
I guarantee that if for some reason guns were restricted from the general public, death totals would not be affected in any noticable way.
[QUOTE=Ridge;27252096]Cars were designed to kill squirrels and asphalt[/QUOTE]
:|
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252068];)
Once again, it's the purpose that differs, which is the problem.[/QUOTE]
I really hate to continue down this road because honestly, it is kind of avoiding an issue. But when it comes to the arguments you've been making against ranges and what not, it's kind of retarded to hold accidental car deaths and accidental deaths at the range or with guns in general to a different standard.
I don't think it really matters what "purpose" a car crushing you has, the more important issue here is the fact that you were crushed by a car. You can argue about differences in purpose all day long but at the end of the day they are still the exact same situation and are handled exactly the same way legally.
Sure, gun crime is a different thing, but this is not.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27252106]I guarantee that if for some reason guns were restricted from the general public, death totals would not be affected in any noticable way.[/QUOTE]
Why? Look at any other country around the world that has strictly regulated guns.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27252094]Canada probably has 1/41 of the population USA does though :v:[/QUOTE]
a little more than 1/10th as of last year...
[url=http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html]US Population: 310,594,348[/url]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_Canada_by_year]CA Population: 34,238,000[/url]
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[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252125]Why? Look at any other country around the world that has strictly regulated guns.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5741371/Knife-crime-is-on-the-rise.html]Assault Knives[/url]
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252125]Why? Look at any other country around the world that has strictly regulated guns.[/QUOTE]
The US is still pretty damn low in the grand scheme of things.
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/gun_homicide_rates_by_country.jpg[/img]
Look at Switzerland, last I checked they had a similar gun ownership Per Capita as America, I think maybe even higher but I'd have to look it up, yet they're at 0.93 per 100,000 people.
By the way Colombia has strict gun laws. Just saying.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27252167]The US is still pretty damn low in the grand scheme of things.
[img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/gun_homicide_rates_by_country.jpg[/img_thumb]
Look at Switzerland, last I checked they had a similar gun ownership Per Capita rating as America, I think maybe even higher but I'd have to look it up, yet they at 0.93 per 100,000 people.
By the way Colombia has strict gun laws. Just saying.[/QUOTE]
I thought there was a gun in almost every house in Switzerland due to compulsory service and the ability to take your issue weapon home?
[QUOTE=Ridge;27252183]I thought there was a gun in every house in Switzerland due to compulsory service and the ability to take your issue weapon home?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, plus you can keep the rifle after your service is over.
I just have no idea what the gun ownership per capita is for them, I just know it's high.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27252116]Sure, gun crime is a different thing, but this is not.[/QUOTE]
Sigh, you'd only have a valid point if I were trying to say that an accidental death from someone driving out of control on a racing track was unrelated to a death from someone shooting at a range, but that's not what I'm saying.
Trying to compare what you're suggesting doesn't work. It's irrelevant.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252195]Sigh, you'd only have a valid point if I were trying to say that an accidental death from someone driving out of control on a racing track was unrelated to a death from someone shooting at a range, but that's not what I'm saying.
Trying to compare what you're suggesting doesn't work. It's irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
All I'm saying, is an accident at the range is the same as an accident on the free way.
I fail to see how you can argue with that, and honestly you haven't given much of a valid reason as to why they are that different.
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Okay, let me explain this better. The age group that causes the most accidents are teenagers, teenagers typically don't drive to work every day, because they have school and all that. Typically, these accidents are caused due to cruising, which is purely entertainment. Now a kid cruising is directly comparable to any other accident caused by something done for entertainment.
On the freeway it's very similar, it may not be just for entertainment, but face it, you CAN use other means of transportation other than just your car. So they may not be the same, but they are [I]very[/I] similar.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252195]Sigh, you'd only have a valid point if I were trying to say that an accidental death from someone driving out of control on a racing track was unrelated to a death from someone shooting at a range, but that's not what I'm saying.
Trying to compare what you're suggesting doesn't work. It's irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about the death toll on a race track, I was referring to every day traffic. Quite frankly, I'd trust someone who races on a regular basis to not run me over than someone who only drives on a street.
And not all vehicle related deaths are accidental, using a vehicle to murder someone is not unheard of. It's not a very bright thing to do because it paints a big "I DID IT" sign on your back but it happens.
Aside from killing people with cars, just yesterday there was a local news story about two people who used a van to smash into an ATM machine and drive away with it. The ATM machine was inside the store.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252125]Why? Look at any other country around the world that has strictly regulated guns.[/QUOTE]
But what percentage of our deaths are by guns? Not many at all so obviously the effect of it would be very very minimal.
Anyway I'm done arguing this point, it is kind of retarded.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27252167]The US is still pretty damn low in the grand scheme of things.
[img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/gun_homicide_rates_by_country.jpg[/img_thumb][/quote]
All the countries down the lower end of the list have stricktly regulated gun laws. Odd huh?
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27252167]Look at Switzerland, last I checked they had a similar gun ownership Per Capita as America, I think maybe even higher but I'd have to look it up, yet they're at 0.93 per 100,000 people.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence[/url]
Look at the chart and sort by "% homicides with firearms". The countries with stricter gun laws are all down the bottom.
Switzerland has a much lower homicide rate, which results in low stats.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27252167]By the way Colombia has strict gun laws. Just saying.[/QUOTE]
Clearly they struggle to enforce them. They top the charts in gun deaths and homicides.
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[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27252256]But what percentage of our deaths are by guns? Not many at all so obviously the effect of it would be very very minimal.[/QUOTE]
65% of homicides.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence[/url]
England has very strict gun laws, and only 8% of homicide is through guns.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252271]All the countries down the lower end of the list have stricktly regulated gun laws. Odd huh?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence[/url]
Look at the chart and sort by "% homicides with firearms". The countries with stricter gun laws are all down the bottom.
Switzerland has a much lower homicide rate, which results in low stats.
Clearly they struggle to enforce them. They top the charts in gun deaths and homicides.[/QUOTE]
Hey man! Guess what?
This thread isn't about a homicide so your points are entirely irrelevant. At this point you've lost and you're just being stubborn by bringing up homicides into it now.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27252291]Hey man! Guess what?
This thread isn't about a homicide so your points are entirely irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
oh man you totally set him up for that one
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that was low
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27252291]Hey man! Guess what?
This thread isn't about a homicide so your points are entirely irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1046132-Video-of-kid-accidentally-shooting-self-will-be-shown-at-trial.?p=27252026&viewfull=1#post27252026[/url]
The discussion is not, and hasn't been since it started.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252271]All the countries down the lower end of the list have stricktly regulated gun laws. Odd huh?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence[/url]
Look at the chart and sort by "% homicides with firearms". The countries with stricter gun laws are all down the bottom.
Switzerland has a much lower homicide rate, which results in low stats.
Clearly they struggle to enforce them. They top the charts in gun deaths and homicides.
[editline]7th January 2011[/editline]
65% of homicides.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence[/url][/QUOTE]
Note how all the lower countries are also very, very prosperous, they're the richest countries in the world, with the most functional governments and the best economies.
There is more at play here than just gun availability.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252303][url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1046132-Video-of-kid-accidentally-shooting-self-will-be-shown-at-trial.?p=27252026&viewfull=1#post27252026[/url]
The discussion is not, and hasn't been since it started.[/QUOTE]
Okay fine everything you've said since the beginning has been irrelevant. Do you feel better now?
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;27252310]Note how all the lower countries are also very, very prosperous, they're the richest countries in the world, with the most functional governments and the best economies.
There is more at play here than just gun availability.[/QUOTE]
Qatar is considered as having the highest GDP per capita, and yet registers high. Also, the United States has a higher GDP per capita than Australia and England, and yet still has a higher homicide by gun rate.
[editline]7th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27252324]Okay fine everything you've said since the beginning has been irrelevant. Do you feel better now?[/QUOTE]
Much better, because I know you're an idiot now. At least the others are producing clear and concise points, even if I don't agree with them.
Not that I intend to sound like a broken record, but even without guns in the US, people will still kill other people.
I'd like to see a breakdown of all homicides by country. How many people are murdered by knives, bows, swords, ect.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27252337]Qatar is considered as having the highest GDP per capita, and yet registers high. Also, the United States has a higher GDP per capita than Australia and England, and yet still has a higher homicide by gun rate.[/QUOTE]
First: Switzerland.
Second: We still have far more poverty than any of those countries. I was more making a point at the happiness and well being of our people, if you have so many people living in poverty, you have more crime. It's a trend that that entire homicide list follows.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27252366]Not that I intend to sound like a broken record, but even without guns in the US, people will still kill other people.[/QUOTE]
Of course. But there is a link between gun homicide rates and homicide rates.
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