EU warns Donald Trump: Paris agreement on climate change is ‘irreversible and non-negotiable’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado here and point out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pichforks if anyone even suggests that climate change maybe isnt the huge world ending problem that pro-climate-change people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] Maybe because that's a buttfuckingly stupid thing to say. Just a hunch.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado here and point out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pichforks if anyone even suggests that climate change maybe isnt the huge world ending problem that pro-climate-change people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this is not the fucking situation to be that guy. "Well, there's a chance that choking out the atmosphere might [I]not[/I] kill off all life on Earth, so let's just keep going for it!"

And just so you guys know, the earth is round aswell.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246291]Like most climate change believers, claiming that the discussion is already settled and their opinion is irrefutable fact.[/QUOTE] "what if we create a better world for nothing" amiright

[QUOTE=Limed00d;52246426]And just so you guys know, the earth is round aswell.[/QUOTE] And water is in fact dry.

[QUOTE=Chonch;52246386]There was a time when such things were debated furiously--the result was what we now consider fact.[/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change]That time is not now[/url]

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246291]Like most climate change believers, claiming that the discussion is already settled and their opinion is irrefutable fact.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Chonch;52246386]There was a time when such things were debated furiously--the result was what we now consider fact.[/QUOTE] Can't wait until the atmosphere is basically poisonous so people with dumb opinions like these actually face reality. Granted a large majority of us will die, but if we're so fucking stupid as a species to ignore years, no, decades of scientific evidence and study because the big rich man on TV told us to, then we deserve to die and I don't think that's too edgy of an opinion.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado here and point out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pichforks if anyone even suggests that climate change maybe isnt the huge world ending problem that pro-climate-change people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] Yeah those fucking stupid idiots getting mad at the concept that when they're in their mid 50's, the world will be so radically different from today as to be almost unrecognizable [B]because of climate change[/B] How dare those people be upset, right?

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado here and point out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pichforks if anyone even suggests that climate change maybe isnt the huge world ending problem that pro-climate-change people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] You think the current migrant crisis is bad? Imagine what happens when all coastal area have to evacuate as they flood, and as entire nations starve as the seafood they depend on die as well. its HUGELY dangerous

The longer politics debate the "facts" about climate change the worse the issue gets and the less and less opportunity we have to make a difference if the worst case scenario is true, we've already passed the chance to unfuck ourselves a long time ago.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246291]Like most climate change believers, claiming that the discussion is already settled and their opinion is irrefutable fact.[/QUOTE] yeah bro that's what tends to happen when the law is written in such a way as to already have dealt with the idea of "ending" the law. That's also what tends to happen when science is in your favor, not just emotion

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado here and point out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pichforks if anyone even suggests that climate change maybe isnt the huge world ending problem that pro-climate-change people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying evolution isn't real, I'm just pointing out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pitchforks if anyone even suggests that maybe the world is 6000 years old and there were once as little as 2 members of every single species left, and they were all on a wooden boat for a month without any dying 1. Atmospheric CO2 and global temperature changes match pretty evenly. Not perfectly, but enough to know there's a correlation. 2. Global temperature was going down, but started rising in the mid 1800's. 3. For roughly a million years, we had a natural cycle of atmospheric CO2 that went between 180 ppm and 280 ppm, never going above 300 ppm. 4. We are now at 400 ppm atmospheric CO2. It's been exponentially growing, and we can see the start of the exponential curve somewhere around 1800. 5. On a completely, assuredly, totally unrelated note, humanity started making machines that emit CO2 into the atmosphere. This happened roughly around 1800. oh but I'm sure it's just a chinese conspiracy or a conspiracy by those big green companies, you know, the ones that either don't make any money or popped up decades after the climate change debate began

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado here and point out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pichforks if anyone even suggests that climate change maybe isnt the huge world ending problem that pro-climate-change people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] To be a devil's avocado, you kinda need to make some arguments in favour of the opposing viewpoint instead of simply saying "but maybe it's not?".

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246291]Like most climate change believers, claiming that the discussion is already settled and their opinion is irrefutable fact.[/QUOTE] Governments of the entire world literally gathered together for an agreement to fight it, what the hell does that say, that these entities with billions of cash for research and the world's smartest people at their disposal were fooled by an internet conspiracy or something

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246291]Like most climate change believers, claiming that the discussion is already settled and their opinion is irrefutable fact.[/QUOTE] Do you also think the Earth is flat? Or that the sun orbits the Earth? This statement is outright loony at this point.

[QUOTE=Chonch;52246358]EU can go fuck itself if it thinks any policy it imposes on the US is "non-negotiable." Threats like these against sovereign nations do no good for the EU's bureaucratic reputation.[/QUOTE] The US can honestly go fuck itself for electing a leader that endangers the lives of every person on the planet through the fact he denies climate change and basic science and is trying to drive forward policies that endanger the planet and those who live on it. It can also go fuck itself on another semi-related note for trying to get rid of net neutrality which, while not affecting the rest of the world directly and will certainly not make anti-net neutrality a popular position, will affect the use of internet by the other people on the planet due to the United States importance in internet technology. Oh, and while we're at it: the United States can go fuck itself for it's constant screaming and whining about it's self importance and blatantly hypocritical and toxic patriotism that refuses to look at itself critically. /rant.

If you don't have any tangible evidence to combat the evidence in favor of climate change to bring to the debate all you deniers insist should be happening, get the fuck out and let us fix the god damn world. I'm trying to have grandchildren, you mother fuckers. I'm trying to be a part of the continuation of the human species. I'm not gonna stand by and watch it all crash down because of some fucking willfully ignorant "Devil's avacados" want to advocate for the fucking apocalypse just for some brief economic stability. What good is a dollar if we're fucking [I]extinct?[/I] So you deniers want to understand why people get so fucking angry when you crawl out of the woodwork? You want to know why people like me get so fucking volatile? Your entire stance is a front to our continued existence. This isn't a matter of god damn opinion. You are ACTIVELY KILLING US ALL because of the fucking stupid ass non-arguments that you are propagating. This is not a regular political crapshoot policy debate. This isn't gay marriage or legalizing weed or whatever. This isn't some Phantom Menace trade taxation bullshit. This is the end of the fucking world. The subject matter of the debate is the death of every single living being on this planet. This is not about being cozy and sipping liberal lattes or whatever the fuck conservatives think liberals care about here, this is about not letting Earth become fucking [I]Mars II[/I]. Please for the love of fuck. If you actually have a counterargument to all this that can outweigh the immense pressure of an impending apocalypse, This is your time to post it. Right here. You want the debate? Participate. Prove to us that arguing against the data that correlates human activity with climate change is a noble endeavor. At least explain [I]why[/I] you're willing to die on the hill that might kill us all? So far, the only impression I'm getting is that the small drop of uncertainty that forces me to use verbiage like "might kill us all" instead of "will kill us all," is the same drop of uncertainty that makes you guys go "fuck it all, let's keep doing what we've been doing." That's not good enough. Considering the gravity of the situation, which I shouldn't need to explain is the actual [I]end of the fucking world by our own hands[/I], there are no chances to take here. There shouldn't be a choice.

The funny thing is that even if everyone was factually wrong, there is objectively no argument that can be used against the idea of creating cleaner energy and reducing waste if you can create a factual, objective, and reasonable argument against promoting better energy and reducing waste, I'll be amazed, because only a complete moron would think there is a single good argument to just letting pollution build. Gas will eventually be too expensive and electric will be the cheaper alternative, and capitalism will naturally snuff the fumes.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52246516]The funny thing is that even if everyone was factually wrong, there is objectively no argument that can be used against the idea of creating cleaner energy and reducing waste if you can create a factual, objective, and reasonable argument against promoting better energy and reducing waste, I'll be amazed, because only a complete moron would think there is a single good argument to just letting pollution build. Gas will eventually be too expensive and electric will be the cheaper alternative, and capitalism will naturally snuff the fumes.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://solar-power-now.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/betterworldfornothing.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado here and point out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pichforks if anyone even suggests that climate change maybe isnt the huge world ending problem that pro-climate-change people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Chonch;52246358]EU can go fuck itself if it thinks any policy it imposes on the US is "non-negotiable." Threats like these against sovereign nations do no good for the EU's bureaucratic reputation.[/QUOTE] I can respect this tbh non-negotiable is a douchebag thing to do however I feel like its 100% appropriate in this case because of how much the US is working against progress and the nature of climate change, and the fact that there's only really a net gain to be had with combating it. Regardless of it possibly being not world ending, you can agree that it would indeed be an improvement to try and prevent any damage at all, right? [editline]18th May 2017[/editline] With how uncooperative trump is I'd not negotiate with him either

[QUOTE=J!NX;52246577]I can respect this tbh non-negotiable is a douchebag thing to do however I feel like its 100% appropriate in this case because of how much the US is working against progress and the nature of climate change, and the fact that there's only really a net gain to be had with combating it. Regardless of it possibly being not world ending, you can agree that it would indeed be an improvement to try and prevent any damage at all, right? [editline]18th May 2017[/editline] With how uncooperative trump is I'd not negotiate with him either[/QUOTE] Considering how Trump announces his stances, I really don't mind hardballing him. Climate change is something we should've done something about 30 years ago, we don't need the US dragging down the rest of the world.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52246577]I can respect this tbh non-negotiable is a douchebag thing to do however I feel like its 100% appropriate in this case because of how much the US is working against progress and the nature of climate change, and the fact that there's only really a net gain to be had with combating it. Regardless of it possibly being not world ending, you can agree that it would indeed be an improvement to try and prevent any damage at all, right? [editline]18th May 2017[/editline] With how uncooperative trump is I'd not negotiate with him either[/QUOTE] Negotiability would be a bane on any environment agreement, and is arguably what caused Kyoto to fail. These are long-term agreements that shouldn't be able to be swayed by anti-science politicians grabbing power or industries that try to lobby their way out of obsolescence caused by these agreements. [sp]Anyway didn't Trump brag about how he'd be non-negotiable, it's cute to see suporters whine about that kinda thing when they're on the receiving end [/sp]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52246381]Stop acting like your country has a fucking right to threaten the whole god damn world with climate change then Stop acting like you're the goddamn centre of the fucking world[/QUOTE] I would like to see what would happen to the world if the US just suddenly crashed. Think about that for a second.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246701]I would like to see what would happen to the world if the US just suddenly crashed. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE] That doesn't justify the United States' position on climate change for a second. Nor does it justify people from the States acting like they're the centre of the world and that they're more important than others. There's going to be a wonderful wake-up for a certain amount of people in the States when countries like India and China become the new leaders of the world and the States starts become less important. Because I tell you, it's going to happen. Just like what happened to Britain.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246701]I would like to see what would happen to the world if the US just suddenly crashed. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE] Oh, that wouldn't be good! But you know what? Humanity would still be able to rebuild. That's the fucking difference here. The end of America would create a long turbulent time that would be hellish and uncomfortable, but it would blow over. It might take centuries, but it would blow over. That's nothing compared to the consequences we're talking about here.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246701]I would like to see what would happen to the world if the US just suddenly crashed. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE] If we're making silly arguments, if the US crashed, around 15% of global gas emissions would stop, so yay? The rest of the world is still capable of rebuilding and adapting

"It's only becomes a fact when [I]I[/I] say it's a fact" is the mentality I'm getting off of some of you. It makes me want to slap said anti-climate change people upside the fucking head. Simultaneously: [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246701]I would like to see what would happen to the world if the US just suddenly crashed. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE] I'd actually love to see that. Seeing this whole country suddenly fall apart (preferably just economically, I'd rather [I]not[/I] turn this place into the real-world equivalent of Fallout) just to give its people a massive system shock.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52246718]That doesn't justify the United States' position on climate change for a second. Nor does it justify people from the States acting like they're the centre of the world and that they're more important than others. There's going to be a wonderful wake-up for a certain amount of people in the States when countries like India and China become the new leaders of the world and the States starts become less important. Because I tell you, it's going to happen. Just like what happened to Britain.[/QUOTE] I never said it justified anything. You're strwmaning my argument.

man some people are so stubborn, you'd have thought "if we don't stop climate change, the earth will become an uninhabitable dust ball" would convince anyone but i guess they'd rather die than have a foreigner tell them what to do

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246701]I would like to see what would happen to the world if the US just suddenly crashed. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE] Okay so you're saying that you, and your nation are in fact more valuable of life, and economic success than the rest of the world? Think about that for one fucking second.