EU warns Donald Trump: Paris agreement on climate change is ‘irreversible and non-negotiable’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246701]I would like to see what would happen to the world if the US just suddenly crashed. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE] Global recession. The entire world economy depends on the american dollar.

[QUOTE=Marcolade;52246755]"It's only becomes a fact when [I]I[/I] say it's a fact" is the mentality I'm getting off of some of you. It makes me want to slap said people upside the fucking head. Simultaneously: I'd actually love to see that. Seeing this whole country suddenly fall apart (preferably just economically, I'd rather [I]not[/I] turn this place into the real-world equivalent of Fallout) just to give its people a massive system shock.[/QUOTE] It's a fact when the freaking science society concluded it is and it led to the global agreement to fight it, holy shit, you're one to question mentality of others when you want to slap people for stating a simple logical thing.

^ I believe he was arguing in your favor. [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246774]I never said it justified anything. You're strwmaning my argument.[/QUOTE] Then what are you trying to say? What the fuck else would you be saying in the context of your comment? The impression that I got was that either the survival of our country is the only thing on your mind, or that the catastrophic consequences of its end would be bad for everyone. As true as that is, becoming Children of Men for a moment wouldn't be nearly as bad as becoming Mad Max for like a year and then there's nothing.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246774]I never said it justified anything. You're strwmaning my argument.[/QUOTE] I'm not stating "Kill the american economy"(Not that following the Paris agreement [B]would even do anything like that[/B]). What I'm saying is American policy has an inordinately large effect on the globe. Think about it this way. We're all in the same body. We're all in the same head. You guys are controlling the arms of this body, and pointing a gun at [B]all of our collective heads[/B] and threatening us all with a cumulative death if you don't get your way [B]right fucking now[/B] Yeah this sounds positively retarded

What's the deal here anyway, are you people so self-centered that you can't go about your day without mentioning that you're a citizen of the all great freedom states and can't be criticized or reprimanded for trying to back out on an agreement that is beneficial not just to the planet but also allowing healthier living conditions for us all? what the fuck

[QUOTE=Chonch;52246386]There was a time when such things were debated furiously--the result was what we now consider fact.[/QUOTE] and like the roman inquisition you people will be judged by history as morons at best and malicious fanatics at worst i hope pissing on your own tombstone will be worth it

[QUOTE=Chonch;52246358]EU can go fuck itself if it thinks any policy it imposes on the US is "non-negotiable." Threats like these against sovereign nations do no good for the EU's bureaucratic reputation.[/QUOTE] America can go fuck itself and the EU has every right to make policy "non-negotiable". Threats against the environment do no good for America's retard reputation.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;52246786]It's a fact when the freaking science society concluded it is and it led to the global agreement to fight it, holy shit, you're one to question mentality of others when you want to slap people for stating a simple logical thing.[/QUOTE] What? No I meant that slapping gesture towards the folks debating the fact of climate change. Sorry, I probably should've worded that better.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246774]I never said it justified anything. You're strwmaning my argument.[/QUOTE] Then I don't see your point. Because all I got from that reply is what I stated above.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246701]I would like to see what would happen to the world if the US just suddenly crashed. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE] Same could be said about most major countries though so think about that

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52246774]I never said it justified anything. You're strwmaning my argument.[/QUOTE] What exactly was your point, because all I took was some masturbatory 'gotcha' bullshit.

What an idiot. Climate change deniers can go fuck themselves.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado here and point out how quickly everyone grabs their torches and pichforks if anyone even suggests that climate change maybe isnt the huge world ending problem that pro-climate-change people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] Look at it this way: Imagine we find an asteroid that's mass-extinction size, and it's on a collision course with Earth. Not a near-miss, not "Jupiter/the Moon will take the hit for us", but a direct collision course with our little blue marble. According to the egg-heads, it's going to hit in 80 years. We have a window of 30-40 years to do something about it before anything we do will either have no effect or will arrive too late. Do you: A) Immediately mobilize our engineers and scientists to come up with a way to avert this disaster, or B) Argue whether it's as big a deal as it's made out to be and put off finding a solution ? Granted climate change is a little more difficult to predict accurately than an asteroid, but its inpredicability makes it all the more dangerous, and the sooner we act to counter its possible effects, especially considering the consequences if we continue to ignore it, the better off we'll be, even if we don't make it out 100% unscathed.

at this point, denying climate change is on par with being a flat earther

[QUOTE=Shortyish;52247095]at this point, denying climate change is on par with being a flat earther[/QUOTE] It is, but atleast flat earthers won't be the death of us.

[QUOTE=Shortyish;52247095]at this point, denying climate change is on par with being a flat earther[/QUOTE] there are flat earthers all around the globe

[QUOTE=Shortyish;52247095]at this point, denying climate change is on par with being a flat earther[/QUOTE] Look, everyone already knows the Earth can't possibly be flat, because if it was cats would have pushed everything off the edge of it by now. :science101:

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246366]Debate forum Some things just ARE Pick one[/QUOTE] ok, the sky doesn't exist, it's just the reflection of Dale Winton's teeth. let's debate that. because it's about as debatable as whether climate change is happening

EU wants to dictate US what to do. Incredible. Juncker has lost his tiny mind.

[QUOTE=Knurr;52248806]EU wants to dictate US what to do. Incredible. Juncker has lost his tiny mind.[/QUOTE] Meh, US tries to dictate what the entire world does all the time. US signed an agreement to help secure our planet's future, and is now threatening to go back on it. Since it is in the EU's best interest to have a world to exist on, yes, they are going to threaten the US for trying to take it away.

[QUOTE=Knurr;52248806]EU wants to dictate US what to do. Incredible. Juncker has lost his tiny mind.[/QUOTE] The EU wants the US to stay true to their word, boo fucking hoo.

[QUOTE=Knurr;52248806]EU wants to dictate US what to do. Incredible. Juncker has lost his tiny mind.[/QUOTE] I can't believe it takes external intervention for the US to try and maybe stop dumping as many greenhouse gases into the atmosphere as possible

[QUOTE=Birdman101;52246409]Im not trying to say it doesnt exist, id just like to play devils avacado [/QUOTE] Then your "contribution" is less than worthless. Fucking argue for what you believe in, or keep your mouth shut, but please don't pull this predictable pansy-ass excuse for not having to defend your position.

[QUOTE=Chonch;52246358]EU can go fuck itself if it thinks any policy it imposes on the US is "non-negotiable." Threats like these against sovereign nations do no good for the EU's bureaucratic reputation.[/QUOTE] I'm OK with third parties intervening in the sovereignty of nations if it's to do things like enforce better human rights or climate change policy. I hate the fact that the EU needs to be doing this, but I think it's necessary because this is the kind of thing that will effect the entirety of human civilization for the rest of the time we spend on this planet. Not just some dumb argument to have between the red team and the blue team, that ultimately concludes in nothing happening or a series of congressmen giving a coal power company's exec handjobs.

[QUOTE=Knurr;52248806]EU wants to dictate US what to do. Incredible. Juncker has lost his tiny mind.[/QUOTE] So i assume you are on Trump on this? Somebody who uses America's hard and soft power to try and impose his political thinking. Beside this comment right here makes no sense, because if you actually paid attention to history classes you would know that the US has been quite the teller on others on what to do, so even if you are against strong powers dictating other countries what to do, it makes no sense.

Unfortunately a lot of people in power can only be convinced by a body count, and by then it'll be too late.

[QUOTE=Knurr;52248806]EU wants to dictate US what to do. Incredible. Juncker has lost his tiny mind.[/QUOTE] You know if the EU was trying to extort money out of America you'd have a point, but they're just asking them to maybe not pollute the planet to death which is a pretty reasonable request tbh

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52246781]Okay so you're saying that you, and your nation are in fact more valuable of life, and economic success than the rest of the world? Think about that for one fucking second.[/QUOTE] No. I'm not one to really care about "US exceptionalism", but you can't really force the US to do anything because the success of the US and it's economy are pretty important when it comes to the global economy, and destabilization of that would result in suffering for everyone. It's like shooting yourself in the foot. So how do you force the US to do anything when any sanctions will simply start a chain reaction that drags the entire world economy down? How are you going to continue paying for green energy projects when funding is in the shitter because the dollar is worthless? How are you going to get people to trade in their gas guzzlers for new EVs when they are struggling to put food on the table? I agree that we need to start taking some serious steps when it comes to combating climate change, but this notion that you can force a world superpower like the US to do anything is asanine.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52249237]No. I'm not one to really care about "US exceptionalism", but you can't really force the US to do anything because the success of the US and it's economy are pretty important when it comes to the global economy, and destabilization of that would result in suffering for everyone. It's like shooting yourself in the foot. So how do you force the US to do anything when any sanctions will simply start a chain reaction that drags the entire world economy down? How are you going to continue paying for green energy projects when funding is in the shitter because the dollar is worthless? How are you going to get people to trade in their gas guzzlers for new EVs when they are struggling to put food on the table? I agree that we need to start taking some serious steps when it comes to combating climate change, but this notion that you can force a world superpower like the US to do anything is asanine.[/QUOTE] Anyone can be influenced. The US is no exception, even if it might be a tad bit more difficult especially with the current administration.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52249237]No. I'm not one to really care about "US exceptionalism", but you can't really force the US to do anything because the success of the US and it's economy are pretty important when it comes to the global economy, and destabilization of that would result in suffering for everyone. It's like shooting yourself in the foot. So how do you force the US to do anything when any sanctions will simply start a chain reaction that drags the entire world economy down? How are you going to continue paying for green energy projects when funding is in the shitter because the dollar is worthless? How are you going to get people to trade in their gas guzzlers for new EVs when they are struggling to put food on the table? I agree that we need to start taking some serious steps when it comes to combating climate change, but this notion that you can force a world superpower like the US to do anything is asanine.[/QUOTE] No superpower is forever. If the US shoots itself in the face, some other country could very well take it's place.