Dick Cheney to Fox News: "The CIA Report is full of crap, Bush knew everything" - Polidicks

I wonder why people say spy agency instead of intelligence agency Really, spy agency makes it sound like if it was composed of double-o-seven infiltrating facilities with HALO jumps and stealing briefcases from Sovi...Chinese generals While in reality they are composed of everyday dudes who give away tidbits of info. [editline]11th December 2014[/editline] Well, damn, MOSTLY common people...then you got the intelligence officers

The CIA is a spy agency. Obviously labeling it as a "Spy agency" doesnt really sit well with most people so they call it an "intelligence" agency.

I still can't believe people thought Bush was a good President

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm9788Tb5g[/media] it's ok guys, at least bush can swing a mad drive

I never liked Cheney because of the three-trio's doings during Bush Jr.'s terms. (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush). All of the Iraq stuff, how Cheney's company Halliburton got the contracts to 'rebuild' the devastation we caused there, and how they've been given damn near exclusive rights to government construction contracts; It's a little fishy and all too unfair to the 'Free Market' and the 'Righteous Country' we're supposed to be. But I have to give him a little bit of credit, he called out the News on trying to cover up for the Cabinet, which in my view, would have benefited him to have kept it under the rug and say they weren't aware.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46692299]The CIA is a spy agency. Obviously labeling it as a "Spy agency" doesnt really sit well with most people so they call it an "intelligence" agency.[/QUOTE] Sorry But calling it spy agency is misleading and overlooks other aspects conferred to intelligence agencies. Not only do they "spy", but they also have to process said information and generate reports. That's why they are called "intelligence" agencies. They do the same work economists do for companies when trying to look for new markets, just that they use other....methods...and its purpose is to help the state direct its actions.

-snip due to realizing how fucked some of my opinions are when I've been drinking and that I should probably see a professional-

[QUOTE=Destroyox;46692494]I still can't believe people thought Bush was a good President[/QUOTE] If I recall wasn't his approval rating like 90% at one point?

[QUOTE=italics560;46693179]I'm going to get lit up for this, but I am going to say it anyway. I support the CIA and it's activities, including GITMO. But that is my right as an American citizen, as it is another's right to be against it. That is what makes our country and others beautiful, that right to have beliefs. Torture is not a pretty thing, but I believe it is a necessary evil in this world. We were attacked on our home soil by a militant group with a major goal to destroy our way of life. They hate everything about us and nothing can change such an extreme mindset. So before you say anything about what the CIA does, understand that it is to keep [B][I]you[/I][/B] safe. The terrorists that they detain would not hesitate to cut your head off on a livestream for no other reason than the fact that they consider you an "infidel". They murder women and children, and when shit pops off they use civilians for cover. They are people that will literally fly a plane into a building for their beliefs. So I support the torture program because the most dangerous weapon in the entire world is intelligence, and if they know what their plans are they can stop something like 9/11 from happening again. While you have the right to condemn it, you should also acknowledge the fact that it [I]works[/I]. It may not be "humane", it may be cruel, and you may even be considered a war crime. But this is [I]reality[/I], and I would rather the sacrifice the life and well being of a high-level terrorist than that of my family. Sadly, I strongly believe that peace and freedom cannot coexist if there are people with different beliefs. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. If you disagree with me, I respect that. But I only ask that you respect my opinion as well.[/QUOTE] Except that torture doesn't provide reliable information.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;46693182]If I recall wasn't his approval rating like 90% at one point?[/QUOTE] That was right after 9/11, when we were all in that "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" phase though.

Remove Dick Cheney and return him to the Planes of Dread where he belongs.

[QUOTE=The Saiko;46693203]Except that torture doesn't provide reliable information.[/QUOTE] 'Reliable' information doesn't exist. There are degrees of reliability, and information is always compared with other sources to produce a degree of confidence in a piece of intelligence. Even information considered highly reliable can be wrong, there are no guarantees. Torture produces a large volume of information with low reliability. If all you have is torture, you won't be able to tell the accurate from the inaccurate. If you have other sources, like SIGINT and GEOINT, then you can corroborate that with information extracted from interrogation to confirm.

-snip due to realizing how fucked some of my opinions are when I've been drinking and that I should probably see a professional-

[QUOTE=italics560;46693303][b]There hasn't been an attack on US soil in 13 years.[/b] I would attribute that to good intelligence/information. (Including SIGINT and other forms of intelligence) [/QUOTE] remember the boston bombings? underwear bomber? shoe bomber? me neither [QUOTE=italics560;46693303] So explain to me exactly on how it doesn't provide accurate information. And please don't say "they will say anything to make the pain stop", this isn't Burn Notice. HUMINT is a major part of intelligence. [editline]11th December 2014[/editline] Couldn't have said it better. [/QUOTE] There are numerous studies that prove this completely wrong. The entire report is basically about how they never got any useful information. What. [editline]11th December 2014[/editline] you realize that you're many more times more likely to die as a result of a car accident due to the poor infastructure in this country, get shot by a cop, etc, than to get killed in a terrorist attack? not to mention that the entire war on terror, has only created more terrorists because we killed people's family. people who would have happily gone on living not giving a single fuck about the USA before?

[QUOTE=italics560;46693303]There [B]hasn't been an attack on US soil in 13 years.[/B] I would attribute that to good intelligence/information. (Including SIGINT and other forms of intelligence)[/QUOTE] What There have been 27 individual terror attacks on US soil in the past 13 years.

[QUOTE=italics560;46693179]I'm going to get lit up for this, but I am going to say it anyway. I support the CIA and it's activities, including GITMO. But that is my right as an American citizen, as it is another's right to be against it. That is what makes our country and others beautiful, that right to have beliefs. Torture is not a pretty thing, but I believe it is a necessary evil in this world. We were attacked on our home soil by a militant group with a major goal to destroy our way of life. They hate everything about us and nothing can change such an extreme mindset. So before you say anything about what the CIA does, understand that it is to keep [B][I]you[/I][/B] safe. The terrorists that they detain would not hesitate to cut your head off on a livestream for no other reason than the fact that they consider you an "infidel". They murder women and children, and when shit pops off they use civilians for cover. They are people that will literally fly a plane into a building for their beliefs. So I support the torture program because the most dangerous weapon in the entire world is intelligence, and if they know what their plans are they can stop something like 9/11 from happening again. While you have the right to condemn it, you should also acknowledge the fact that it [I]works[/I]. It may not be "humane", it may be cruel, and you may even be considered a war crime. But this is [I]reality[/I], and I would rather the sacrifice the life and well being of a high-level terrorist than that of my family. Sadly, I strongly believe that peace and freedom cannot coexist if there are people with different beliefs. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. If you disagree with me, I respect that. But I only ask that you respect my opinion as well.[/QUOTE] why would I respect your factually incorrect opinion? It was proven to not work. Torture doesn't do anything. So why should I, or more appropriately, how could I respect your opinion which disregards reality?

[QUOTE=catbarf;46690407]Like I said in the other thread: Suppose you're a Democrat in Congress. Over ten years ago you supported what seemed like a justified program at the time, but is overwhelmingly opposed now. You're writing a report and can say whatever you like. Are you going to A. Try to justify your support to an angry populace, or B. Insist you never supported it and had no idea what was going on, and blame the agency that people are already mad at? Congress did the same thing with the NSA until the NSA showed that not only was Congress briefed, but many Congressmen skipped an important briefing to go on vacation early. Even within Congress there's a lot of division over the report, with the Republican minority strongly opposed to its current state. Why people who [i]know[/i] how Congress works and are appropriately skeptical on other issues would believe them in this case is beyond me.[/QUOTE] Congressmen should be like the pope, no vacation, and you work until you die or somebody else thinks you're too senile or fucked up to do your job. The plus side is your family gets a shit ton of monetary compensation. Only people who truly, utterly care about other people would ever take the job.

people who have worked in guantanamo bay as interrogators have already said that developing a rapport with detainees is tons more effective than torture. it's almost like respecting someone's rights as a human being and giving them the treatment that human beings are entitled to is more effective than twisting someone's nipples until they say something.

[QUOTE=The Saiko;46693425]What There have been 27 individual terror attacks on US soil in the past 13 years.[/QUOTE] pfft if hollywood didn't make movies about it, it doesn't exist nerd

[B]Cheney is the CEO of Haliburton[/B], the company that won a multi billion dollar, no bid contract to handle the logistics of the war. Make of that what you will. Me, I think he needs to be tried, Nuremberg style. [editline]12th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Glitchman;46690379]Yeah it's pretty terrible, the people involved did some terrible terrible things. It was definitely a scary time though, being attacked on homeland at such a grand scale. Doesn't make it right, but I can see why the most extreme knee-jerk reaction happened.[/QUOTE] If a government has a "knee-jerk" reaction, it deserves to be overthrown.

[QUOTE=italics560;46693179]I'm going to get lit up for this, but I am going to say it anyway. I support the CIA and it's activities, including GITMO. But that is my right as an American citizen, as it is another's right to be against it. That is what makes our country and others beautiful, that right to have beliefs. Torture is not a pretty thing, but I believe it is a necessary evil in this world. We were attacked on our home soil by a militant group with a major goal to destroy our way of life. They hate everything about us and nothing can change such an extreme mindset. So before you say anything about what the CIA does, understand that it is to keep [B][I]you[/I][/B] safe. The terrorists that they detain would not hesitate to cut your head off on a livestream for no other reason than the fact that they consider you an "infidel". They murder women and children, and when shit pops off they use civilians for cover. They are people that will literally fly a plane into a building for their beliefs. So I support the torture program because the most dangerous weapon in the entire world is intelligence, and if they know what their plans are they can stop something like 9/11 from happening again. While you have the right to condemn it, you should also acknowledge the fact that it [I]works[/I]. It may not be "humane", it may be cruel, and you may even be considered a war crime. But this is [I]reality[/I], and I would rather the sacrifice the life and well being of a high-level terrorist than that of my family. Sadly, I strongly believe that peace and freedom cannot coexist if there are people with different beliefs. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. If you disagree with me, I respect that. But I only ask that you respect my opinion as well.[/QUOTE] Part of my right as an American citizen is to have no respect for your opinion

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;46697877]Part of my right as an American citizen is to have no respect for your opinion[/QUOTE] Beyond how he is factually false, and twisted as fuck besides, what about all of the innocent people tortured?

[QUOTE=JgcxCub;46691410]nah[/QUOTE] British flag. MI6, what scandals has your intelligence comm-Oh right spying and British Citizens just like us.

tricky dick nixon > dick cheney truly this is a dick measuring contest what are you doing cheney

[QUOTE=Swilly;46697982]British flag. MI6, what scandals has your intelligence comm-Oh right spying and British Citizens just like us.[/QUOTE] i think he was implying that he doesn't masturbate but please, continue with the 'other people have done it so it's fine' line of thinking

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;46699634]i think he was implying that he doesn't masturbate but please, continue with the 'other people have done it so it's fine' line of thinking[/QUOTE] It's more like, "Other people have done it, so we're going to hell and you're coming with us."

[QUOTE=joes33431;46695587]people who have worked in guantanamo bay as interrogators have already said that developing a rapport with detainees is tons more effective than torture. it's almost like respecting someone's rights as a human being and giving them the treatment that human beings are entitled to is more effective than twisting someone's nipples until they say something.[/QUOTE] This has been known since at least the days of Napoleon. If you read any of the declassified US army / CIA etc interrogation manuals it explicitly says this in them as well. One of them (can't remember which one, might have been KUBARK) actually mentions that if you torture someone all they do is come up with increasingly complex answers that require a lot of time to prove false.

[QUOTE=italics560;46693179]If you disagree with me, I respect that. But I only ask that you respect my opinion as well.[/QUOTE] Do not confuse respect with your right to have an opinion with respect for the opinion itself.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;46700105]Do not confuse respect with your right to have an opinion with respect for the opinion itself.[/QUOTE] it is, after all, his right to have an opinion about someone's opinion. :v:

[QUOTE=The Saiko;46693203]Except that torture doesn't provide reliable information.[/QUOTE]HA! False! You can find out how much you can torture people, that's reliable information. Another win for the good 'ol US of A, you can thank us later, rest of the world.