The great memory rip-off: Apple and Google ‘ripping off customers’ over extra storage - Polidicks

They have to charge a significant amount more for the larger storage option or else nobody would buy the lesser storage option. Not that this justifies it, of course.

[QUOTE=The golden;42925639]A Surface Pro that is actually worth a damn is over $1000. It's price also goes up massively as you add more storage space. That's hardly a savings.[/QUOTE] But that's more justified than this, as the storage is actually expensive. I don't think the Pro should be recommended as a replacement for an iPad or whatever, though. The Surface 2 is a nice alternative to Android and iOS tablets, though, I'd probably consider one weren't it for the lack of Maple (that I use in school) and such.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42924839]I get that they were phased out because moving parts in small things is unstable, but I was really hoping microdrives would get developed more. Would have helped the harddrive industry quite a bit. But no, now we get up to 32 gigs of space, with 6 of those gigs being usually unusable, and no SD slot to add to it. We have to go way out of our way these days to get extra storage when the tech to add more storage has been around forever. But nooo, sd slots don't fit in apples philosophy for ipods and Google says they're "too complicated" -is buttmad-[/QUOTE] They'd have no issue putting in more storage, it's just that everyone earns more by keeping the storage low(ie same thing most ISP's do) Samsung's prepped a stacked NAND that'll give up to 256GB(iirc) in the same space a regular NAND chip takes today, and it's significantly cheaper to manufacture, and it's estimated to come sometime early 2014. You can bet they're going to make you pay out of your ass to get a phone with even half that, though

I've always wondered this when looking at the price difference between iPod storage sizes and microSD cards

Corporations price gouging, big surprise.

[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42922953]How the [I]actual [B]fuck[/B][/I] did they manage to bloat android that badly That can't be true. That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Because Android. People always circlejerk about Android about how it's the best thing ever, but in the end, the majority of the apps contain malware and the device itself is stuffed with useless features like animated wallpapers and other shit nobody cares about.

I just hate that Apple stopped making the iPod classic. I don't fucking WANT a 128GB iPod touch. Fuck that shit. I just want something that plays music and that's it.

[QUOTE=Unisath;42926194]I just hate that Apple stopped making the iPod classic. I don't fucking WANT a 128GB iPod touch. Fuck that shit. I just want something that plays music and that's it.[/QUOTE] Where the hell are you looking? They're still selling them. [url]http://store.apple.com/us/buy-ipod/ipod-classic[/url]

[QUOTE=zombays;42925982]Because Android. People always circlejerk about Android about how it's the best thing ever, but in the end, the majority of the apps contain malware and the device itself is stuffed with useless features like animated wallpapers and other shit nobody cares about.[/QUOTE] Hardly. The actual OS, along with cache partition and such on my 2012 Nexus 7 32 GB comes out to 2 GB with the actual device image being about 400 MB. It leaves a full 30 GB of user space. However, that's the Nexus 7 and that's stock AOSP KitKat. I'm assuming Samsung partitioned the Galaxy Tab in a strange fashion. I know for the longest time, in order to make USB Mass Storage possible on internal memory, there was the normal Linux ext3 partition for OS files, and a FAT32 partition for Mass Storage over USB. Maybe there's something similar going on here.

[QUOTE=benbb;42925026]Get a Sansa Clip and buy a Micro SD card to go with it. I've heard great things about them.[/QUOTE] They are awesome especially if you flash Rockbox onto them.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;42923133]Here in France we have a "tax for private copy" on storage, per GB, so that markup is SLIGHTLY justified... but still. Do other countries have that?[/QUOTE] Sweden does.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;42926312]They are awesome especially if you flash Rockbox onto them.[/QUOTE] Oh shit I had that on my iPod Nano 1G. Totally forgot about it.

Am I meant to be surprised that a corporation is going to charge what they think will net them the most money, regardless how much it costs them to put in?

[QUOTE=Scot;42925596]They have to charge a significant amount more for the larger storage option or else nobody would buy the lesser storage option. Not that this justifies it, of course.[/QUOTE] Or if they didn't rip them off so hard, more people would buy the bigger storage option. It's incredibly stupid, and I don't know why people can't see that.

[QUOTE=benbb;42925026]Get a Sansa Clip and buy a Micro SD card to go with it. I've heard great things about them.[/QUOTE] I have the clip+. Good price to sound ratio and it supports FLAC.

[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42922953]How the [I]actual [B]fuck[/B][/I] did they manage to bloat android that badly That can't be true. That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Samsung's blend of android is horrible, I wouldn't be surprised. [editline]20th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Medevila;42924544]That's a silly thing to tax[/QUOTE] Blame America (well the RIAA), I am pretty sure the tax on blank CDs is where the idea came from. The RIAA / MPAA (and their "friends" all around the world) believe(d) that their only way to stay in business was to cover peopleillegally (lol) ripping CDs to MP3 players / copying CDs.

[QUOTE=Medevila;42924544]That's a silly thing to tax[/QUOTE] yeah, i completely agree. especially since... we're supposed to be taxed so that we can actually copy things ourselves, but then there's all the DRM shit still there :v:

If Apple could inlude a MicroSD slot, that may actually be a driving force for me to buy one in the future. Stick it next to the SIM slot, make the cover bigger so it covered both slots. It wouldn't make the phone any fatter, and it would bring the price down. Win win situation.

My HTC Incredible has 8 gb internal storage, yet it can only use 600 mb for apps and stuff

[QUOTE=godinthehouse;42928549]If Apple could inlude a MicroSD slot, that may actually be a driving force for me to buy one in the future. Stick it next to the SIM slot, make the cover bigger so it covered both slots. It wouldn't make the phone any fatter, and it would bring the price down. Win win situation.[/QUOTE] They make extra money because of the fact it doesn't have one when people who will buy them go for the larger capacity model. They won't do it.

Internal storage is faster than microsd cards

[QUOTE=godinthehouse;42928549]If Apple could inlude a MicroSD slot, that may actually be a driving force for me to buy one in the future. Stick it next to the SIM slot, make the cover bigger so it covered both slots. It wouldn't make the phone any fatter, and it would bring the price down. Win win situation.[/QUOTE] Ever since the first iPhone, Apple has made it a point not to do this. Hell, even Google can see its working for them, so they are trying to do the same thing with their Nexus devices. microSD cards add more complexity and are confusing to the average end user who doesn't understand partitions and file systems. What I mean is, it forces the user to think about where their files are going and think about the filesystem. This is even more muddled now that phones have large enough internal memories that they have their own storage entirely seperate from the SD card. It creates seemingly arbitrary limitations like "Why is my phone saying its running out of memory? It says I have 15 GB free on my SD card!". That one popped up a lot in the early days of Android. It was very hard to explain to someone if they didn't understand how Android app data storage worked (which back then, didn't support SD cards without rooting and creating an ext3 partition on the SD card. That didn't become standard until Froyo). Its a case of simplicity vs flexibility. Don't let the user see the filesystem unless necessary (or in Apple's case, at all). And most end users never take real advantage of SD cards. Its very rare I see someone with a SD card that's larger than 16 GB. Hell, some people don't even use the SD card slot on their phone, and just stick with the phone's built in memory. And of course, as a bonus, they can have the ridiculous premium on internal memory.

Did anyone stop to think that maybe they do this as a way of subsidizing the cost of the lower storage phones, and that complaining might just prompt manufacturers to sell the lower storage phones for more in the future, instead of lowering the price of the ones with more storage? I don't know which way it really goes, but surely it's worth looking into before whining too much about it?

[QUOTE=LarparNar;42929445]Did anyone stop to think that maybe they do this as a way of subsidizing the cost of the lower storage phones, and that complaining might just prompt manufacturers to sell the lower storage phones for more in the future, instead of lowering the price of the ones with more storage? I don't know which way it really goes, but surely it's worth looking into before whining too much about it?[/QUOTE] This is also a good point. Considering Nexus devices are supposed to be sold at cost, or slightly more. Google's main concern isn't about profiting off hardware sales. After all, a large quantity of users of their OS don't even use Nexus devices. They are in it to sell ads and services and encourage people to stay in their ecosystem.