[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23861705]Just like all Christians aren't queer-hating book-burners.[/QUOTE]
well, the fundies are
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23861825]well, the fundies are[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's what I'm saying, extremists are fucked in the head and everybody knows that. But not all religious people are extremists, not all Christians are in WBC just like not all Muslims are in Al Qaeda.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23861591]Christians lie to push their agendas all the time. Haven't you heard any of their bullshit about how gay marriage will destroy American family values? How teaching children about sex will instantly turn them all into sex maniacs?[/QUOTE]
Like this so-bad-it's-silly Ad
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ18h8Z73nw[/media]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;23861889]Like this so-bad-it's-silly Ad
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ18h8Z73nw[/media][/QUOTE]
Or that one about the mosque being built 5 blocks away from Ground Zero or whatever.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23861705]What about the Christians that lie about being cured of homosexuality and shit like that? You should stop generalising man, not all Muslims are psycho extremists like you try to portray them. Just like all Christians aren't queer-hating book-burners.[/QUOTE]
Generalising is not the best way to do things, but Islam does have a problem with having more "pyscho extremists" (proportionally/greater in all) than other religions. What does Christianity currently have? Westboro inbreds, some abortion bombers, and some biggots who are mostly harmless (okay I forgot about the Christian Army in Africa). What does Islam currently have? Al Qaeda, Taliban, Terrorist states, and a huge following of oppressive, backwards-ass Sharia Law.
Should we compare how many bombings were done by Christians alone compared to Islamic radicals who blew themselves up for Allah?
inb4biggot.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23861913]Or that one about the mosque being built 5 blocks away from Ground Zero or whatever.[/QUOTE]
Ugh
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjGJPPRD3u0[/media]
[editline]09:17PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23861938]Generalising is not the best way to do things, but Islam does have a problem with having more "pyscho extremists" (proportionally/greater in all) than other religions. What does Christianity currently have? Westboro inbreds, some abortion bombers, and some biggots who are mostly harmless. What does Islam currently have? Al Qaeda, Taliban, Terrorist states, and a huge following of oppressive, backwards-ass Sharia Law.
Should we compare how many bombings were done by Christians alone compared to Islamic radicals who blew themselves up for Allah?
inb4biggot.[/QUOTE]
It's been said before but 9/11 was done for political purposes.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23861938]Generalising is not the best way to do things, but Islam does have a problem with having more "pyscho extremists" (proportionally/greater in all) than other religions. What does Christianity currently have? Westboro inbreds, some abortion bombers, and some biggots who are mostly harmless. What does Islam currently have? Al Qaeda, Taliban, Terrorist states, and a huge following of oppressive, backwards-ass Sharia Law.
Should we compare how many bombings were done by Christians alone compared to Islamic radicals who blew themselves up for Allah?
inb4biggot.[/QUOTE]
But alot of this is due to sub-par conditions in the middle east. Notice how the majority of extremists come from such war torn countries as Afghanistan and Iraq? Plus, you're looking purely at American extremist groups, take a look at the Balkans, Christian terrorists murder Muslims everday over there and vice versa. Lack of education, poor living conditions and charismatic maniacs create extremists, not religion. It's just another one of their tools.
[editline]04:21PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;23861985]Ugh
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjGJPPRD3u0[/media]
[/QUOTE]
Oh God. I love how right from the start they have to put in that standard Jihadist warcry.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;23861985]Ugh
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjGJPPRD3u0[/media]
[editline]09:17PM[/editline]
It's been said before but 9/11 was done for political purposes.[/QUOTE]
Oh I'm sorry, apparently Jihad and "Islamic" Insurgencies don't exist. This is the type of PC mentioned in OP's video. 9/11 had political purpose but to deny the involvement of religion is absurd.
So the organization that carried out the attacks is not an Islamist group who calls for "global" Jihad? Yep, Religion not involved.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23862095]Oh I'm sorry, apparently Jihad and "Islamic" Insurgencies don't exist. This is the type of PC mentioned in OP's video. 9/11 had political purpose but to deny the involvement of religion is absurd.
So the organization that carried out the attacks is not an Islamist group who calls for "global" Jihad? Yep, Religion not involved.[/QUOTE]
But the point is, people like OP try to act like Islam is the only reason these groups exist but that's not true. If these people were Christian they would still be extremists, if they were Hindu or Buddhist that would change nothing. People like Osama Bin Laden take naive and angry young people and uses their beliefs to TWIST them to his wiill.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862160]But the point is, people like OP try to act like Islam is the only reason these groups exist but that's not true. If these people were Christian they would still be extremists, if they were Hindu or Buddhist that would change nothing. People like Osama Bin Laden take naive and angry young people and uses their beliefs to TWIST them to his wiill.[/QUOTE]
well first, sorry I forgot to mention Christianity in Africa (Peoples Christian Army, right?). Theres a lot of fucked up stuff there that I tend to forgot about it because it's a hellhole out of the public's eye and frankly concern.
Yes, beliefs are twisted and the same thing has been done in Christianity's past, but that religion has at least grown out of it for the most part. Islam on the other hand has not and it needs to reach that phase which is honestly a collective effort it cannot be blamed on just it's exploiters' similarly as intolerant Christians past and present cannot be unaccountable for all of their actions.
I've never really heard of extremists of non-abrahamic religions. Are there any extremist hindus or buddhists?
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23862275]I've never really heard of extremists of non-abrahamic religions. Are there any extremist hindus or buddhists?[/QUOTE]
Gandhi was shot by a Hindu extremist. That Buddhist monk who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnam war sounded pretty extreme to me.
[editline]04:39PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23862237]well first, sorry I forgot to mention Christianity in Africa (Peoples Christian Army, right?). Theres a lot of fucked up stuff there that I tend to forgot about it because it's a hellhole already.
Yes, beliefs are twisted and the same thing has been done in Christianity's past, but that religion has at least grown out of it for the most part. Islam on the other hand has not and it needs to reach that phase which is honestly a collective effort it cannot be blamed on just it's exploiters'.[/QUOTE]
Well, like you said, alot of psycho Christians in Africa because alot of Africa is fucked up. In my opinion it's the same problem in the Middle East. Alot of them live in squalor and don't have proper educations. Compare the number of extremists coming out of Afghanistan to the amount coming out of Turkey.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23862095]Oh I'm sorry, apparently Jihad and "Islamic" Insurgencies don't exist. This is the type of PC mentioned in OP's video. 9/11 had political purpose but to deny the involvement of religion is absurd.
So the organization that carried out the attacks is not an Islamist group who calls for "global" Jihad? Yep, Religion not involved.[/QUOTE]
I'm not denying it but it isn't any different from McVeigh in this regard.
[editline]09:44PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862312]Gandhi was shot by a Hindu extremist. That Buddhist monk who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnam war sounded pretty extreme to me.[/QUOTE]
First one, yeah you got me there.
Second, ehhhh he isn't harming anyone.
[url]http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html[/url]
[url]http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html[/url]
interesting how the bible has more violent verses than the Qu'ran
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862312]Gandhi was shot by a Hindu extremist. That Buddhist monk who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnam war sounded pretty extreme to me.
[editline]04:39PM[/editline]
Well, like you said, alot of psycho Christians in Africa because alot of Africa is fucked up. In my opinion it's the same problem in the Middle East. Alot of them live in squalor and don't have proper educations. Compare the number of extremists coming out of Afghanistan to the amount coming out of Turkey.[/QUOTE]
The Christianity problem in Africa isn't as bad as the problem in the Middle East and what is being put out to the rest of the world. Don't forget most people in Africa live in houses made out of shit (if they're lucky) and for the most part have no education, but on the contary many places in the Middle East are far better off (Pakistan) and are even fairly educated and advanced (Iran) but yet still have massive problems with extremism.
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23862546][url]http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html[/url]
[url]http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html[/url]
interesting how the bible has more violent verses than the Qu'ran[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be surprised, but at least for the most part Christianity has grown out of it's violent phase.
I don't want to be too harsh on Muslims/Islam, but absolving them of accountability (applicable to everything else really) won't help either
[QUOTE=Lambeth;23862393]
First one, yeah you got me there.
Second, ehhhh he isn't harming anyone.[/QUOTE]
Still quite extremist. Also, I think alot of the Japanese kamakaze pilots in WW2 were Shinto Buddhist. But I think it was more extreme Nationalism and Emperor-Worship that caused that. Well, maybe Buddhism is the only perfect religion?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862646]Still quite extremist. Also, I think alot of the Japanese kamakaze pilots in WW2 were Shinto Buddhist. But I think it was more extreme Nationalism and Emperor-Worship that caused that. Well, maybe Buddhism is the only perfect religion?[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone has died in the name of Pastafarianism yet...
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23861705]What about the Christians that lie about being cured of homosexuality and shit like that? You should stop generalising man, not all Muslims are psycho extremists like you try to portray them. Just like all Christians aren't queer-hating book-burners.[/QUOTE]
As I said, they believe it in their heads. I'm not generalizing, I'm saying what their religion mandates, and what they do. Doesn't mean they all do it all the time, it's just a fact.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;23861938]Generalising is not the best way to do things, but Islam does have a problem with having more "pyscho extremists" (proportionally/greater in all) than other religions. What does Christianity currently have? Westboro inbreds, some abortion bombers, and some biggots who are mostly harmless (okay I forgot about the Christian Army in Africa). What does Islam currently have? Al Qaeda, Taliban, Terrorist states, and a huge following of oppressive, backwards-ass Sharia Law.
Should we compare how many bombings were done by Christians alone compared to Islamic radicals who blew themselves up for Allah?
inb4biggot.[/QUOTE]
To call the Lord's Resistance Army a Christian Army is a joke. Their group is the most loosely Christian thing I've ever seen, it's basically African animism with a Christian coating to it.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862052]But alot of this is due to sub-par conditions in the middle east. Notice how the majority of extremists come from such war torn countries as Afghanistan and Iraq? Plus, you're looking purely at American extremist groups, take a look at the Balkans, Christian terrorists murder Muslims everday over there and vice versa. Lack of education, poor living conditions and charismatic maniacs create extremists, not religion. It's just another one of their tools.
[editline]04:21PM[/editline]
Oh God. I love how right from the start they have to put in that standard Jihadist warcry.[/QUOTE]
Not true at all, Jihadi terrorists are generally better educated and more well off. That says nothing about insurgents, which is an important distinction from Islamist terrorism, although generally poor people will be involved in that sort of thing whether their country is occupied or not.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;23862393]I'm not denying it but it isn't any different from McVeigh in this regard.
[editline]09:44PM[/editline]
First one, yeah you got me there.
Second, ehhhh he isn't harming anyone.[/QUOTE]
Really now, McVeigh bombed in the name of his God? Not for political purposes despite the fact that that's what he said, and the that he wasn't a practicing Christian at all?
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23862546][url]http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html[/url]
[url]http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html[/url]
interesting how the bible has more violent verses than the Qu'ran[/QUOTE]
Interesting the number of violent verses in the Bible is a bit over double that of the Qu'ran yet the Bible is almost 10 times longer than the Qu'ran. Seems kind of disproportionate don't you think? And the fact that almost all of those violent verses have nothing to do with what the religion preaches. More atheists desperately trying to make excuses for Islam instead of actually seeing what it is.
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23862275]I've never really heard of extremists of non-abrahamic religions. Are there any extremist hindus or buddhists?[/QUOTE]
There are some Sikh nationalists you could call extremists except I wouldn't, as they only want the lands conquered by Islam back. Same goes with some Hindu "extremists", maybe the fact that Islam has killed 80 million of them in the past 1400 years would account for that though.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862646]Still quite extremist. Also, I think alot of the Japanese kamakaze pilots in WW2 were Shinto Buddhist. But I think it was more extreme Nationalism and Emperor-Worship that caused that. Well, maybe Buddhism is the only perfect religion?[/QUOTE]
Some were, but most were told that if they came back alive, they would be killed by getting their head chopped off in front of everyone to show they were failures.
Okay, so any extremist Christian groups can't be called Christian but if one Muslim is an extremist then they all are? You are really biased towards Christianity.
[editline]05:12PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ragy;23862785]Some were, but most were told that if they came back alive, they would be killed by getting their head chopped off in front of everyone to show they were failures.[/QUOTE]
Actually, virtually all Kamakaze pilots were volunteers. Which is even worse in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862811]Okay, so any extremist Christian groups can't be called Christian but if one Muslim is an extremist then they all are? You are really biased towards Christianity.
[editline]05:12PM[/editline]
Actually, virtually all Kamakaze pilots were volunteers. Which is even worse in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Show me an extremist Christian group that kills in the name of their God or their Bible and not just one that is populated by Christians. I also never said all Muslims are extremists, strawman.
Did Pagans ever really go on a killing spree? I know that Christians used to have a huge hardon for persecuting them (and some still do) but did they ever kill anyone (other than animals)?
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23862835]Did Pagans ever really go on a killing spree? I know that Christians used to have a huge hardon for persecuting them (and some still do) but did they ever kill anyone (other than animals)?[/QUOTE]
Sacrifices and shit, killing neighbouring tribes, Pagans probably did lots of stuff because they weren't really organized and didn't afraid of anything.
[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23862776]More atheists desperately trying to make excuses for Islam instead of actually seeing what it is.[/QUOTE]
hmm you're being presumptuous.
I'm not an atheist. (at least, not yet)
[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23862832]Show me an extremist Christian group that kills in the name of their God or their Bible and not just one that is populated by Christians. I also never said all Muslims are extremists, strawman.[/QUOTE]
Show me a Muslim group that does that for fucks sake. All terrorist groups are political groups who use religion to recruit. And you're certainly trying to paint Islam as an extremist religion.
[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23862860]Sacrifices and shit, killing neighbouring tribes, Pagans probably did lots of stuff because they weren't really organized and didn't afraid of anything.[/QUOTE]
so nothing christians didn't do
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23862865]hmm you're being presumptuous.
I'm not an atheist. (at least, not yet)[/QUOTE]
Are you a Christian? Did you know that Muslims have killed more Christians than Christians have killed anyone?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862811]Actually, virtually all Kamakaze pilots were volunteers. Which is even worse in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
They wanted to bring their families honor and themselves, but what I find interesting is that they were never taught how to land the plane. Fail safe.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23862873]Show me a Muslim group that does that for fucks sake. All terrorist groups are political groups who use religion to recruit. And you're certainly trying to paint Islam as an extremist religion.[/QUOTE]
Islam is a theocratic political movement. Their desired end is Shari'a Law and the abolition of secular government. Seriously, is this the road you want to go down?
[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23862884]Are you a Christian? Did you know that Muslims have killed more Christians than Christians have killed anyone?[/QUOTE]
Wow, so the inquisition, the Reconquista, the 30 years war, the Irish War of Independence, the Crusades, add up to what number? How many Christians have Muslims killed?
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