ND Pipeline Camp being evicted over Winter Safety Concerns - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lick;51432888]The entire confrontation began because protesters were trying to move a blockade used to deny protesters access to emergency services. Nice to see you dropped the pretenses of being concerned about the fires. Those were means used on nonviolent protesters You seem like you could defend anything. Do you really want to live in a country where this level of violence is used against members of the press and people expressing their political beliefs? You're a cop right? What about the use of force continuum? Do you have any legitimate values or will you defend police at any price?[/QUOTE] The roads you're talking about were blocked by the protesters. [t]http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2016/10/28/_q90_cCM_q80/Oil-Pipeline-Protest.jpg[/t] [t]http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/saleminteractivemedia/ap/data/photos/2016/301/5f87e168-57e1-4632-8552-5ef0f700a32c.jpg[/t] These don't look like official police barricades to me. [editline]27th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lick;51432980]If you weren't completely delusional you would realize this level of violence isn't to keep them "calm"[/QUOTE] And if you weren't delusional you would realize the destruction of property, rioting, attacking police, and blockage of roads is not means of a peaceful protest.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51433045]The roads you're talking about were blocked by the protesters. [t]http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2016/10/28/_q90_cCM_q80/Oil-Pipeline-Protest.jpg[/t] [t]http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/saleminteractivemedia/ap/data/photos/2016/301/5f87e168-57e1-4632-8552-5ef0f700a32c.jpg[/t] These don't look like official police barricades to me. [editline]27th November 2016[/editline] And if you weren't delusional you would realize the destruction of property, rioting, attacking police, and blockage of roads is not means of a peaceful protest.[/QUOTE] They weren't rioting. The police themselves stated that one officer was hit in the head with a rock which is a remarkable level of calm given the police brutality. And the road is barricaded past the trucks

"police brutality" being used loosely, as always

[QUOTE=Lick;51433227]They weren't rioting. The police themselves stated that one officer was hit in the head with a rock which is a remarkable level of calm given the police brutality.[/quote] Lets ignore that fact that the rioters were moving beyond the barricade and setting fires near the police line and trying to flank them. Joe posted evidence in a different thread where molotovs and propane/butane tanks were thrown at officers during that confrontation. Not to mention that police have been shot at at the protest before. [QUOTE=Lick;51433227]And the road is barricaded past the trucks[/QUOTE] So the rioters are trying to remove a police barricade when their own barricade still blocks the road? Yea ok dood. What they were actually trying to do is push into the area where construction is taking place for the pipeline. Of course we don't know what their intentions were if they had made it to the construction site, but of course I doubt it would be anything nice. The protesters are the ones who originally blocked 1806, forcing emergency vehicles to reroute onto ND6 and adding another 20-30 minutes onto each trip. The protesters are also the ones who burnt vehicles on the 2 bridges on 1806 which has destabilized said bridges. ND DOT refuses to send an inspector out until the protest is over, over concerns for their safety, so even if the protesters were sincerely trying to remove the blockade [i]they[/i] set up, the bridges can't even be used by anyone because of the damage they did to them. The protesters got themselves into this situation, and now the people of Standing Rock, more specifically Ft. Yates, are paying the price for it.

Judging by how the law enforcement resources are strained at the moment, I will not be surprised if the NDANG will be called up to deal with the evictions. Quiet a few folks in the gun community have been making note that tons of locals are purchasing firearms and ammo at an alarming rate, and some firearms are being picked up by the protester and out-of-staters. It's a pretty worrying situation to say the least.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51433942]Strange how the people suddenly concerned for their safety are the same people who've expressed support for the pipeline earlier.[/QUOTE] Wow its almost like you can support a pipeline being installed but also dont want to see people be horribly maimed by brutally cold weather.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51433955]Judging by how the law enforcement resources are strained at the moment, I will not be surprised if the NDANG will be called up to deal with the evictions. Quiet a few folks in the gun community have been making note that tons of locals are purchasing firearms and ammo at an alarming rate, and some firearms are being picked up by the protester and out-of-staters. It's a pretty worrying situation to say the least.[/QUOTE] To be fair, this being North Dakota, virtually everyone has a gun. Hell, I don't know anyone who doesn't own at least one. [QUOTE=WhichStrider;51434132]North Dakota guy here. Don't own a gun, never plan to.[/QUOTE] Hence the key choice of word "virtually". Not even sure why you brought it up to be honest.

North Dakota guy here. Don't own a gun, never plan to.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51433955]Judging by how the law enforcement resources are strained at the moment, I will not be surprised if the NDANG will be called up to deal with the evictions. Quiet a few folks in the gun community have been making note that tons of locals are purchasing firearms and ammo at an alarming rate, and some firearms are being picked up by the protester and out-of-staters. It's a pretty worrying situation to say the least.[/QUOTE] I find it funny that for a man who wants the second amendment to stay as it is to defend against perceived tyranny, you're getting worried about someone doing just that.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51434166]I find it funny that for a man who wants the second amendment to stay as it is to defend against perceived tyranny, you're getting worried about someone doing just that.[/QUOTE] Unless this isn't a case of the government going tyrannical?

[QUOTE=Worstcase;51434172]Unless this isn't a case of the government going tyrannical?[/QUOTE] You might not think so, but the protestors might.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51434166]I find it funny that for a man who wants the second amendment to stay as it is to defend against perceived tyranny, you're getting worried about someone doing just that.[/QUOTE] A company installing a pipeline is not tyranny lmfao. A group of protesters living on federal land being evicted for their own safety is not tyranny. Get real dood.

[QUOTE=Worstcase;51434063] Hence the key choice of word "virtually". Not even sure why you brought it up to be honest.[/QUOTE] Same reason you bring up a generalization, to make a point. I seriously can't believe you don't know one person who doesn't have a gun, but you helped your point with your statement.

I doubt the pipeline will get any work done in the ND winter.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51433305]"police brutality" being used loosely, as always[/QUOTE] Rubber bullets, tear gas, water hose nixed with mace in freezing weather. I would call that brutality. Or maybe I'm just not as used to violence. Would love to hear you respond to my original post

[QUOTE=Lick;51434276]Non violent protesters. Rubber bullets, tear gas, water hose nixed with mace in freezing weather. I would call that brutality. Or maybe I'm just not as used to violence. Again good to see you ignoring my points.[/QUOTE] Nice to see you ignoring reality by calling them non violent. Starting fires, damaging bridges, stealing cattle, killing pets, attacking police, shooting at police, throwing rocks and molotovs at police, ect. is not "peaceful" or non violent. Clearly all the protesters aren't trying to incite violence but there are very clearly people there who are. Force is responded with force, the police aren't just being dicks for no reason.

Here's what I don't understand: the protesters aren't protesting [b]police brutality[/b], they're protesting [b]the pipeline being built.[/b] The police being brutal doesn't actually affect the legitimacy of the pipeline itself.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51434293]Nice to see you ignoring reality by calling them non violent. Starting fires, damaging bridges, stealing cattle, killing pets, attacking police, shooting at police, throwing rocks and molotovs at police, ect. is not "peaceful" or non violent. Clearly all the protesters aren't trying to incite violence but there are very clearly people there who are. Force is responded with force, the police aren't just being dicks for no reason.[/QUOTE] Didn't the protesters start this after the police started pushing them back with tear gas and rubber bullets? Anyway, the world would be better off without cheaper oil. Short term economic gains don't offset the long term environmental damage. Not that it makes a difference, I'm sure they will force the protesters out and build it anyway. Im sure Trump will form a truly unbiased opinion on the pipeline thanks to the stock he has in the company building it.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51433045]The roads you're talking about were blocked by the protesters. [t]http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2016/10/28/_q90_cCM_q80/Oil-Pipeline-Protest.jpg[/t] [t]http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/saleminteractivemedia/ap/data/photos/2016/301/5f87e168-57e1-4632-8552-5ef0f700a32c.jpg[/t] These don't look like official police barricades to me. [editline]27th November 2016[/editline] And if you weren't delusional you would realize the destruction of property, rioting, attacking police, and blockage of roads is not means of a peaceful protest.[/QUOTE] For a group that's so concerned about the environment why the fuck are they burning cars

[QUOTE=Kylel999;51434809]For a group that's so concerned about the environment why the fuck are they burning cars[/QUOTE] There's a big difference between a car burning up and a river being polluted with oil. The river being flooded with oil has a lot more impacts and they are probably more concerned about the impact it would have on the economy, drinking water and such rather than emissions.

[IMG]https://scontent.ffar1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15181227_10202847678988789_8505762106052400377_n.jpg?oh=fc699a9e21385838f7b53584280a28df&oe=58D00334[/IMG] [t]https://scontent.ffar1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15192715_10202848250883086_757770995046195443_n.jpg?oh=8ec4ca4589ea497b960b34becbead744&oe=58CCA396[/t] This is on top of 30mph to 40mph winds in Standing Rock. Please, if any of you are actually protesting their, don't get yourselves killed.

[QUOTE=Morgen;51434817]There's a big difference between a car burning up and a river being polluted with oil. The river being flooded with oil has a lot more impacts and they are probably more concerned about the impact it would have on the economy, drinking water and such rather than emissions.[/QUOTE] People ignore this though. The burning car has more of an immediate mental impact than the environmental consequences of using oil and polluting the environment do; the former is an immediate matter, the latter takes time to actually see and realize. It's the same story again and again with people: they don't care about something until it's right in front of their faces and starts affecting them personally. But usually by that point, it's too late to do anything to stop the negative impacts from occurring. And then they stand around and scream, "Why didn't anybody do something about this?!" The cycle repeats itself again and again throughout history. We never learn as a species.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51435869][IMG]https://scontent.ffar1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15181227_10202847678988789_8505762106052400377_n.jpg?oh=fc699a9e21385838f7b53584280a28df&oe=58D00334[/IMG] [t]https://scontent.ffar1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15192715_10202848250883086_757770995046195443_n.jpg?oh=8ec4ca4589ea497b960b34becbead744&oe=58CCA396[/t] This is on top of 30mph to 40mph winds in Standing Rock. Please, if any of you are actually protesting their, don't get yourselves killed.[/QUOTE] It seems to me, if people really didn't care for the well-being of these protesters, they would encourage them to stay and freeze to death. [editline]27th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Del91;51432810]My cousin was based in Minot when he was in the air force. They weren't allowed outside during the worst of the weather[/QUOTE] My brother was based at Minot, too. Said it was akin to a gulag in Siberia, or some sort of hell on earth.

[QUOTE=OvB;51436245]It seems to me, if people really didn't care for the well-being of these protesters, they would encourage them to stay and freeze to death. [editline]27th November 2016[/editline] My brother was based at Minot, too. Said it was akin to a gulag in Siberia, or some sort of hell on earth.[/QUOTE] Can confirm, I do work for Minot AFB every now and again and the troops there hate it in the winter. The poor guys that gotta search my truck at the gate always look like theyre about to die.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51433942]Strange how the people suddenly concerned for their safety are the same people who've expressed support for the pipeline earlier.[/QUOTE] You know we can say they can stay out there and freeze their asses off and then watch them say people died because we didn't warn them. Damned if we do. Damned if we don't.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51432885]None of those are flagrant civil or human rights violations. [URL="https://www.nlg.org/police-attack-unarmed-standing-rock-water-protectors-in-freezing-temperatures-with-water-cannons-other-weapons-in-5-hour-standoff/"]The article[/URL] they have states nothing about who started the fires at all, actually. The only thing I got from the article is that there are some seriously stupid protestors out there who brought children with. Corps is taking the proper stance here.[/QUOTE] Spraying people with water in below zero temperatures is a fantastic way to seriously injure or kill someone via hypothermia. Pretty scary that you're a cop.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51436877]Spraying people with water in below zero temperatures is a fantastic way to seriously injure or kill someone via hypothermia. Pretty scary that you're a cop.[/QUOTE] Lol it wasnt below zero temperatures. People need to quit fabricating narratives about this damn pipeline construction.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51437054]Lol it wasnt below zero temperatures. People need to quit fabricating narratives about this damn pipeline construction.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you can get hypothermia even at 40 degrees F. [editline]27th November 2016[/editline] Wait, I see what you're replying too. Still, doesn't take much to get hypothermia.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51437054]Lol it wasnt below zero temperatures. People need to quit fabricating narratives about this damn pipeline construction.[/QUOTE] My mistake. It was below freezing, not below zero. Still unjustifiable.

[QUOTE=Lick;51434276]Rubber bullets, tear gas, water hose nixed with mace in freezing weather. I would call that brutality. Or maybe I'm just not as used to violence. Would love to hear you respond to my original post[/QUOTE] Sounds like riot control to me