2012 Presidential Debate Thread - Obama/Biden vs. Romney/Ryan - October 3rd-22nd: Live 9 PM EST Toni - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904811]iran isn't north korea, Iran is led by religious radical Islamists who fund terrorists around the world, fund drugs. their leadership believes it is their destiny to inflict the world heavy losses in order to win the evil.. check out "Reza Khalili" own words in youtube (hes a CIA Agent that was undercover at iran)[/QUOTE] They dont fund terrorism anymore then Israel funds terrorism in Iran, and no Iran isn't a front for a drug cartel.. they're Islamists. And the second line.. that makes no sense at all and they haven't indicated anything of the sort... However the Samson option..

According to CNN poll of registered voters who watched the debate, Romney won the debate by a large margin. Full data here: [URL="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/cnn-poll-romney-wins-debate-by-big-margin/"]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/cnn-poll-romney-wins-debate-by-big-margin/[/URL] Picked this up cause its trending on Twitter

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904811]their leadership believes it is their destiny to inflict the world heavy losses in order to win the evil.. [/QUOTE] So is this the extent of Israeli media brainwashing? "in order to win the evil as destiny" What fuck does that even mean?

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904811]...is led by religious radicals who fund terrorists around the world, fund drugs. their leadership believes it is their destiny to inflict the world heavy losses in order to win the evil[/QUOTE] You may as well have described America, and that's the reason that we need to stop meddling in the region altogether. We're the number one drug dealer, weapons dealer, warlord, and all of our politicians pander directly to one religion. Every nation does what you described, but none so much as us, and we're your only backer in a region where everyone hates you, so what does that tell you. Honestly, if Iran wants nukes, let them have them. Hell, we should be the ones to sell them to them. I'm sure an effort of cooperation and extending a hand to them in order to elevate them to the status they wish to achieve would make them feel much more positively about us than condemning them and preventing everything they try to do to make advancements on the world stage.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;37904870]So is this the extent of Israeli media brainwashing? "in order to win the evil as destiny" What fuck does that even mean?[/QUOTE] why should i ever listen you, you got hitler avatar... and you seem like a big hater.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904889]why should i ever listen you, you got hitler avatar... and you seem like a big hater.[/QUOTE] Starpluck must be an anti-semite too.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904811]iran isn't north korea, Iran is led by religious radical Islamists who fund terrorists around the world, fund drugs. their leadership believes it is their destiny to inflict the world heavy losses in order to win the evil.. check out "Reza Khalili" own words in youtube (hes a CIA Agent that was undercover at iran)[/QUOTE] You mean like Pakistan, the country that arguably aided in the concealment of Osama Bin Laden and helped distribute resources to his organization. What about the fact that they've had a nuclear weapons program since 1971 and successfully tested a weapon in 1998? How many of those nuclear weapons have been used against the US or Israel by terrorists? The Iranian government is oppressing their own people, but they aren't fools. They might be crazy when compared to other governments, but they aren't stupid. They don't want to get annihilated. Any hint of a nuclear attack, and they will be decimated within 30 minutes. Also Reza Khalili is a very weak source of information on anything. He's a self proclaimed ex-spy. Granted the CIA isn't going to admit whether he was or not, but he's by no means the definitive source of information on this topic. He's said Iran is planning on using thousands of suitcase nuclear weapons against the US and Europe. Please, that's never going to happen. Iran hasn't even tested a nuclear warhead. They are multiple years if not decades away from developing anything resembling a suitcase bomb. Do you think Iran even has the capacity to develop thousands of these weapons? Again, if even one of these weapons is intercepted (which would be incredibly likely given the "scale" Khalili suggests), Iran would be destroyed. No, that idea is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904889]why should i ever listen you, you got hitler avatar... and you seem like a big hater.[/QUOTE] listen honey, you're making us jews look really really bad really really bad

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904811]iran isn't north korea, Iran is led by religious radical Islamists who fund terrorists around the world, fund drugs. their leadership believes it is their destiny to inflict the world heavy losses in order to win the evil.. check out "Reza Khalili" own words in youtube (hes a CIA Agent that was undercover at iran)[/QUOTE] holy shit I've never thought I would've seen a brainwashed Israelite.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904889]hater[/QUOTE] you keep reminding me of the Beastie Boys

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904889]why should i ever listen you, you got hitler avatar... and you seem like a big hater.[/QUOTE] This isn't elementary kid. There is no such thing as "haters" when it comes to geopolitics.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;37902008][t]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/579708_4508581029965_1310794511_n.jpg[/t] I hope this won't be taken the wrong way, but it could prove useful. :v:[/QUOTE] That drinking game is way too extreme, I'd be in a coma withing 5 minutes or so

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37904861]According to CNN poll of registered voters who watched the debate, Romney won the debate by a large margin. Full data here: [URL="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/cnn-poll-romney-wins-debate-by-big-margin/"]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/cnn-poll-romney-wins-debate-by-big-margin/[/URL] Picked this up cause its trending on Twitter[/QUOTE] How to win a debate: Smile, lie through your teeth, force the debate into circles so you can't say anything dumb. Fool proof, except for the fact that Romney can't smile his way out of what is arguably the worst foreign policy of any candidate in this election.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904889]why should i ever listen you, you got hitler avatar... and you seem like a big hater.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I can't take anything you're saying seriously with comments like this.

[QUOTE=Soldier32;37904914]holy shit I've never thought I would've seen a brainwashed Israelite.[/QUOTE] I'm brainwashing myself as a hobby! like you brainwashing yourselves to be optimistic, and "HOPE"ing for obama.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904979]I'm brainwashing myself as a hobby! like you brainwashing yourselves to be optimistic, and "HOPE"ing for obama.[/QUOTE] Do you picture Obama as Ahmadinejad when he is doing his speeches? If you answered yes then you're a brainwashed Israelite, if you answered No I don't believe you.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904979]I'm brainwashing myself as a hobby! like you brainwashing yourselves to be optimistic, and "HOPE"ing for obama.[/QUOTE] I'm "HOPE"ing for a President that will finally cut foreign aid to Israel. Obama isn't quite there, but Romney is a war monger & would be much worse, so...

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904979]I'm brainwashing myself as a hobby! like you brainwashing yourselves to be optimistic, and "HOPE"ing for obama.[/QUOTE] I have no hope for Obama, he's perpetuated the same failed policies that preceded him, and you shouldn't have such a problem with him because he will very likely continue to support israel just as he has continued the war on drugs and the war on terror. But you gotta open your eyes and realize that israel has no reason to exist other than to cause conflict because it acts as a way for the US to have a foothold in a place that doesn't want us there. Seriously, there is much better real estate out there, give up the magic ground thing. That land can't possibly be so holy if it's been the site of constant struggle for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Am I the only one who just stared at the debate and wondered, 'Wait, I heard he had Zingers? Where the fuck are the Zingers?' I was expecting comedic zingers....because that's what a zinger is.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;37904979]I'm brainwashing myself as a hobby! like you brainwashing yourselves to be optimistic, and "HOPE"ing for obama.[/QUOTE] I trust Obongo way more than I trust Mittens. [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] Also, debate 2012 [img]https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/485858_536783893005848_1856095452_n.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Soldier32;37905081]I trust Obongo way more than I trust Mittens.[/QUOTE] The guy who admits "look we've gotta pay for this so we're just going to have to raise taxes, sorry" seems a lot more credible than the guy who says "we've gotta pay for this, so we're going to cut taxes, but we're going to close loopholes to make sure it balances itself out". I mean one is just vague but the other at least defines a problem and a direct, historically proven way of fixing it.

[QUOTE=J Paul;37905108]The guy who admits "look we've gotta pay for this so we're just going to have to raise taxes, sorry" seems a lot more credible than the guy who says "we've gotta pay for this, so we're going to cut taxes, but we're going to close loopholes to make sure it balances itself out". I mean one is just vague but the other at least defines a problem and a direct, historically proven way of fixing it.[/QUOTE] He never specified what loopholes, how many loopholes, and who these deductions and loopholes would be taken from. He implied that taxes would be lowered for the middle class, but he'd take away some deductions and loopholes, I don't see how that doesn't just cancel out, but it depends on if he's talking about above the line deductions or below the line.

[QUOTE=Soldier32;37905081]I trust Obongo way more than I trust Mittens. [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] Also, debate 2012 [img]https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/485858_536783893005848_1856095452_n.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Obama looks like an old cafeteria lady with that hair.

[QUOTE=rilez;37904973]How to win a debate: Smile, lie through your teeth, force the debate into circles so you can't say anything dumb. Fool proof, except for the fact that Romney can't smile his way out of what is arguably the worst foreign policy of any candidate in this election.[/QUOTE] Funny you're saying Romney is doing that when I felt the this is what Obama was trying to do and was failing to do, hard. It even got to a point where Obama asked the Moderator "Can we please change the subject?" A winning Candidate shouldn't have to ask that. Oh and we'll get a chance to see who's foreign policy is the worse in one of the next upcoming debates.

[QUOTE=Dachande;37902005]i hope obama has rehearsed his long applause breaks[/QUOTE] Hey man, have you ever given a speech that recieve applause while you talk? Shits hard to maintain. You gotta schedule and rehearse that shit.

[QUOTE=Glaber;37905156]Funny you're saying Romney is doing that when I felt the this is what Obama was trying to do and was failing to do, hard. It even got to a point where Obama asked the Moderator "Can we please change the subject?" A winning Candidate shouldn't have to ask that. Oh and we'll get a chance to see who's foreign policy is the worse in one of the next upcoming debates.[/QUOTE] lol if you seriously think Romney will make headway in the policy debate [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] Eric Fehrnstrom in Romney's campaign just said that Romney's healthcare plan will not cover people with preexisting conditions and those people will have to look to the states to decide their fate. that's a record speed flip flop right thar

[QUOTE=Tigster;37905118]He never specified what loopholes, how many loopholes, and who these deductions and loopholes would be taken from. He implied that taxes would be lowered for the middle class, but he'd take away some deductions and loopholes, I don't see how that doesn't just cancel out, but it depends on if he's talking about above the line deductions or below the line.[/QUOTE] Maybe if he provides more details, we'll be able to see how it would work, but at the moment, it's just too vague to figure out. But with all of this talk about balancing the federal budget, something that I honestly don't see as really effecting the average American, I can't help but think that, if my admittedly limited understanding of Keynesian economics is correct, you're actually supposed to spend and borrow the most at your lowest point. If I understand it correctly, Keynes thought that you should acquire more debt at your lowest point, that is the best way to recover an economy - if I'm incorrect in my understanding of his ideas, please correct me. Because if I know my history, I do believe his ideas made up the economic practices that pulled us out of the great depression, so maybe there's something to it, maybe we can learn a little from our own history. [QUOTE=Glaber;37905156]Funny you're saying Romney is doing that when I felt the this is what Obama was trying to do and was failing to do, hard. It even got to a point where Obama asked the Moderator "Can we please change the subject?" A winning Candidate shouldn't have to ask that. Oh and we'll get a chance to see who's foreign policy is the worse in one of the next upcoming debates.[/QUOTE] He didn't say that at all, he said to the moderator "you may [i]want[/i] to change the subject", in reference to the moderator's attempts to steer the debate elsewhere.

Watching the debate right now. Call me slow, but what happened with Romney's alleged tax return theft? Did anything come of that?

[QUOTE=Aries;37905214]Watching the debate right now. Call me slow, but what happened with Romney's alleged tax return theft? Did anything come of that?[/QUOTE] uh the anonymous thing? they were obviously just trolling

[QUOTE=Lazor;37905195]lol if you seriously think Romney will make headway in the policy debate[/QUOTE] If Obama shows up as unprepared as he looked in this debate. Romney will make plenty of headway.