2012 Presidential Debate Thread - Obama/Biden vs. Romney/Ryan - October 3rd-22nd: Live 9 PM EST Toni
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[QUOTE=Glaber;37905156]
Oh and we'll get a chance to see who's foreign policy is the worse in one of the next upcoming debates.[/QUOTE]
Romney made his foreign policy known well before the debates. Clearly, investing trillions more in the Middle East and provoking Iran is the way to a secure future for the US. I expect an hour of him talking about how Iran is a great evil that must be stopped at all cost. They have nuclear weapons and they're just WAITING to kill us all. We're gonna call up Bibi and he's gonna tell us what to do.
Romney has been running for [B]years[/B], not one month. People have had plenty of time to decide whether his policies are bad or not, although it's especially hard with Romney, considering how often he flip flops. Not that anything I say will ever convince Glaber.
[QUOTE=Glaber;37905220]If Obama shows up as unprepared as he looked in this debate. Romney will make plenty of headway.[/QUOTE]
yeah i suppose if Romney literally lies about all of his policy positions throughout a debate that would tend to make Obama look "unprepared" to you
Also he suggested the moderator may [I]want[/I] to change the subject, because he knew Romney was going to steer the entire debate. The moderator sucked and that's exactly what Mittens did.
[QUOTE=Lazor;37905240]yeah i suppose if Romney literally lies about all of his policy positions throughout a debate that would tend to make Obama look "unprepared" to you[/QUOTE]
A major element of debates is just simple presentation. Not everyone that watches the debates fact-checks everything like we did, and they sometimes blindly accept what they've been told.
You gotta admit, if Obama doesn't step up his presentation, Romney could have a decent chance to win the debates and possibly the election.
[QUOTE=J Paul;37905202]Maybe if he provides more details, we'll be able to see how it would work, but at the moment, it's just too vague to figure out.
But with all of this talk about balancing the federal budget, something that I honestly don't see as really effecting the average American, I can't help but think that, if my admittedly limited understanding of Keynesian economics is correct, you're actually supposed to spend and borrow the most at your lowest point. If I understand it correctly, Keynes thought that you should acquire more debt at your lowest point, that is the best way to recover an economy - if I'm incorrect in my understanding of his ideas, please correct me. Because if I know my history, I do believe his ideas made up the economic practices pulled us out of the great depression, so maybe there's something to it.
He didn't say that at all, he said to the moderator "you may [i]want[/i] to change the subject", in reference to the moderator's attempts to steer the debate elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Really? Cause I can run though the Debate on Youtube right now. It may take a while, but I can find it.
[QUOTE=Fhenexx;37905260]A major element of debates is just simple presentation. Not everyone that watches the debates fact-checks everything like we did, and they sometimes blindly accept what they've been told.
You gotta admit, if Obama doesn't step up his presentation, Romney could have a decent chance to win the debates and possibly the election.[/QUOTE]
debates barely ever shift the polls, especially after the first one, and fact checkers are a lot more important in the media narrative this cycle, so the narrative will end up being more important than the debates
[QUOTE=Glaber;37905265]Really? Cause I can run though the Debate on Youtube right now. It may take a while, but I can find it.[/QUOTE]
Then end the debate about it once and for all
Was there a foreign policy section of this debate? It was so painful to watch the beginning that I just shut it off with plenty of time left.
[QUOTE=_Kent_;37905285]Was there a foreign policy section of this debate? It was so painful to watch the beginning that I just shut it off with plenty of time left.[/QUOTE]
foreign policy is the 3rd debate but the 2nd debate will also include it
I wish there was a candidate with Obama's social views mixed with Romney's economics/business strategy. As a 25 year old, independent moderate, that would seem ideal to me.This country is way too black and white. You're either one side or the other....
[QUOTE=_Kent_;37905285]Was there a foreign policy section of this debate? It was so painful to watch the beginning that I just shut it off with plenty of time left.[/QUOTE]
Read the OP, that's for later. Today was just pure domestic policy. The second to last debate consists of domestic and foreign policy with an independent voter audience who will ask the candidates questions related to the two. The last debate will just be pure 90 minute foreign policy, identical to the format you just witnessed.
As the president Obama didn't live up to his speaking talents.
He almost never looked at Romney even though Romney was who he was suppose to be debating against.
Any point Romney brought up Obama would talk to the moderator, and barely look over at Romney.
Romney directed all of the debate towards Obama directly, and rarely looked away.
Other than that, Romney did win this debate by far.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;37905332]I wish there was a candidate with Obama's social views mixed with Romney's economics/business strategy. As a 25 year old, independent moderate, that would seem ideal to me.This country is way too black and white. You're either one side or the other....[/QUOTE]
Romney's economic strategy is fucking awful
Romney may just win.
[editline]4th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lazor;37905377]Romney's economic strategy is fucking awful[/QUOTE]
Like the party actually gives a shit what Romney thinks...
puppets people... puppets...
[QUOTE=Superwafflez;37905378]Romney may just win.[/QUOTE]
barring a major non-debate event, this isn't going to happen
[QUOTE=rilez;37905246]Also he suggested the moderator may [I]want[/I] to change the subject, because he knew Romney was going to steer the entire debate. The moderator sucked and that's exactly what Mittens did.[/QUOTE]
idk i was rooting for obama during the debate but i think whether it was innocent or not, asking the moderator to change subjects was a bad move.
i think obama did fine during the debate, acted like someone is supposed to. obama kept it cool and collected and dismissed all of romney's near incoherent interruptions and stammering rants with actual facts. the only reason romney appeared so confident was because in a debate over american politics you can flat out lie and 99% of your viewers will take your word for it. romney won by being loud and making shit up, running from his platform. obama "lost" by being presidential.
I have a feeling the media will try to play up the fact that this is a close race because it will make them more money. Not that I'll vote for romney. After that comment on the embassy I have nothing but contempt for him.
[editline]3rd October 2012[/editline]
Also I think the format they used for debate blows.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;37905423]I have a feeling the media will try to play up the fact that this is a close race because it will make them more money.
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CNN is particularly egregious about this, but yeah pretty much all of the channels will do this.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37905413]asking the moderator to change subjects[/QUOTE]
He didn't. He referenced the moderator's clear attempts at trying to steer the debate in a different direction by saying "you may [I]want[/I] to change the subject", and then continuing on the subject that the moderator wanted to steer away from. If I recall correctly, the reason he did this is because he was responding to something Romney said, and rather than the moderator just asking a new question, he wanted to address that first.
[QUOTE=Lazor;37905270]debates barely ever shift the polls, especially after the first one, and fact checkers are a lot more important in the media narrative this cycle, so the narrative will end up being more important than the debates[/QUOTE]
Kennedy and Nixon
Reagan and Carter: "there he goes again"
Reagan and Mondale: "I wont fault you for your youth and inexperience"
they can have a pretty big impact
[QUOTE=person11;37905513]Kennedy and Nixon
Reagan and Carter: "there he goes again"
Reagan and Mondale: "I wont fault you for your youth and inexperience"
they can have a pretty big impact[/QUOTE]
are we really going to act like this is a Reagan debate
[QUOTE=Habsburg;37905423]Also I think the format they used for debate blows.[/QUOTE]
It does. There should just be a timekeeper to make sure the candidates keep within time limits, but otherwise let them go at it.
[QUOTE=Lazor;37905522]are we really going to act like this is a Reagan debate[/QUOTE]
I wont imply this debate will make any big difference. I just wanted to point out that debates CAN make a big difference.
Kennedy won because of his debate, Reagan won because of his first one, and cemented a double digit lead because of the second one.
[editline]3rd October 2012[/editline]
Obama lost New Hampshire to Clinton because of his disparaging remarks about her during a debate with her and Edwards (haha whos that guy)
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;37905369]As the president Obama didn't live up to his speaking talents[/QUOTE]
no teleprompter
[QUOTE=Strider*;37905553]no teleprompter[/QUOTE]
shut the fuck up
[QUOTE=Strider*;37905553]no teleprompter[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubsRRAADTg[/media]
haha stupid obongo using a teleprompter #nobama
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37905413]idk i was rooting for obama during the debate but i think whether it was innocent or not, asking the moderator to change subjects was a bad move.
i think obama did fine during the debate, acted like someone is supposed to. obama kept it cool and collected and dismissed all of romney's near incoherent interruptions and stammering rants with actual facts. the only reason romney appeared so confident was because in a debate over american politics you can flat out lie and 99% of your viewers will take your word for it. romney won by being loud and making shit up, running from his platform. obama "lost" by being presidential.[/QUOTE]
What did Romney make up?
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