2012 Presidential Debate Thread - Obama/Biden vs. Romney/Ryan - October 3rd-22nd: Live 9 PM EST Toni - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lazor;37906007] check what polls? polling data won't reflect the reality of the debate until a few days after[/QUOTE] You wouldn't say that if Obama were leading in the poll right now. It doesn't matter if he lost on the merits of Romney's potentially strong offensive or if he was just weak tonight, he lost.

538 says that he expects polls to move towards Romney by around 3 to 4 points Nation wide. Enough to annoy Obama, but not enough to dislodge Obama as the favorite for the election.

[QUOTE=Laferio;37906039]Lazor how do you seriously draw up the conclusion that he's a racist for mentioning a teleprompter?[/QUOTE] he said "dog whistle racism" which means something completely different. either way Obama is the very first president that everyone started railing at for using a teleprompter. but i shouldn't be talking to you about it Mr. "what's wrong with not wanting black people in your neighborhood".

[QUOTE=Strider*;37906028]Uh once in my entire history on this forum? Yet another one of [b]your[/b] baseless accusations. Speaking of which, every time I see you post I'll just keep in mind that you once accused me of racism for mentioning a teleprompter.[/QUOTE] once is enough

[QUOTE=Lazor;37906007]this accusation is hilarious given how many times you've brought up Obama's teleprompter[/quote] [QUOTE=Lazor;37906056]once is enough[/QUOTE] Wow.

It sounds dumb to say, but most complaints about Obama that apply to pretty much every previous candidate, or complaints that make literally no sense, or complaints that are not worth writing home about are simply ways to discredit Obama without calling him Black. It is all racist in a way.

[QUOTE=thisispain;37906054] either way Obama is the very first president that everyone started railing at for using a teleprompter.[/QUOTE] Frequency.

best example is the Birther movement

[QUOTE=person11;37906053]538 says that he expects polls to move towards Romney by around 3 to 4 points Nation wide. Enough to annoy Obama, but not enough to dislodge Obama as the favorite for the election.[/QUOTE] he said it was entirely plausible it could move 3 points, not sure where you got the 3-4 points thing from. [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;37906078]Frequency.[/QUOTE] please, strider, tell me more about these extensive studies you've so obviously done on the frequency of teleprompter usage by presidents

[QUOTE=Strider*;37906078]Frequency.[/QUOTE] bullshit, you don't know half of what goes on in the world, don't tell me you're an expert in teleprompter usage among presidents. either way i really don't doubt lazor's accusation. why is it relevant that he uses a teleprompter? what are you really saying?

[QUOTE=Strider*;37906078]Frequency.[/QUOTE] You only think its frequent because of how often your little conservative blogs bring it up.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;37906103]You only think its frequency because of how often your little conservative blogs bring it up.[/QUOTE] Believe it or not I don't read any conservative blogs on the regular.

[QUOTE=Strider*;37906106]Believe it or not I don't read any conservative blogs.[/QUOTE] ok so it's not from someone else's behind; it's your behind your pulling this from? look at what the fuck you're even arguing about lmao there was just a debate and you're arguing about teleprompters, get some perspective in your life seriously how many more red herrings can you pull? "yeah yeah forget the policies dude, he uses a teleprompter"

did you know hitler used telepromters okay that's a lie he just carved his speeches onto the backs of jews.

[QUOTE=thisispain;37906120] "yeah yeah forget the policies dude, he uses a teleprompter"[/QUOTE] I never once said that, where are you getting this from? My argument was that he was less effective rhetorically tonight because he didn't have a teleprompter in front of him. Go back and read the post I responded to. If you've got hate in your heart let it out.

[QUOTE=Strider*;37905656]how does this change the point whatsoever? Romney uses a teleprompter? Okay, does that mean it's suddenly acceptable because both party officials are? Romney shined tonight in his ability to lead the debate and remain on the offensive. I'm not saying a teleprompter makes a politician a scumbag, I just think that it's bad practice. It usually leads to an inability to emphasize properly and seems to encourage lazy reiteration. Obama's never really been that great a speaker regardless of the tool and that showed tonight. He is nothing compared to our greatest orators and I'd think most would agree regardless of their political affiliation. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY[/media] [/QUOTE] Do you wanna take a guess at who else was a really great orator and charismatic speaker?

[QUOTE=Lazor;37906084]he said it was entirely plausible it could move 3 points, not sure where you got the 3-4 points thing from. [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] please, strider, tell me more about these extensive studies you've so obviously done on the frequency of teleprompter usage by presidents[/QUOTE] I must have read it quickly, I thought he said that the historical precedent was 3 points, but that this debate may have extra-historical consequences in terms of short term polling.

[QUOTE=Strider*;37906068]Wow.[/QUOTE] It's a non-issue no one will care about 4 years from now. just like his birth is a non-issue no one cares about now

[QUOTE=Strider*;37906133] My argument was that he was less effective rhetorically tonight because he didn't have a teleprompter in front of him.[/QUOTE] wtf are you serious have you ever spoken in public? are people gonna be as "effective rhetorically" as they are when they are reading [b]prepared speeches[/b], my guess as a functional human being is no. he went to Harvard law school i think he's been in debates before. and yeah dude seriously, you're a joke. you're arguing about teleprompters even though the only people who care about teleprompters are people who are looking for a reason to slam Obama. this is the essence of dog whistle racism, except the difference is that nobody thinks you're being reasonable, everyone just thinks you're making a whole bunch of shit up and embarrassing the other side. it's real difficult to be bipartisan when one side is getting upset over teleprompters.

[QUOTE=Strider*;37906133]I never once said that, where are you getting this from? My argument was that he was less effective rhetorically tonight because he didn't have a teleprompter in front of him. Go back and read the post I responded to. If you've got hate in your heart let it out.[/QUOTE] Well I disagree but I think Romney's rhetoric is a load of poop

how did Romney win the debate then [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] I mean I hate to admit it but Romney did a great job and nobody expected it. I bet Obama was not even trying because he thought it would be easy as hell

[QUOTE=person11;37906173]how did Romney win the debate then [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] I mean I hate to admit it but Romney did a great job and nobody expected it. I bet Obama was not even trying because he thought it would be easy as hell[/QUOTE] I think the goal was to not make waves for the time being and let Romney lower its guard for the second one

Because he was aggressive. He sounded good on a superficial level but if you listen closely it sounds like shit.

[QUOTE=thisispain;37906154]wtf are you serious have you ever spoken in public? are people gonna be as "effective rhetorically" as they are when they are reading [b]prepared speeches[/b], my guess as a functional human being is no. he went to Harvard law school i think he's been in debates before. and yeah dude seriously, you're a joke. you're arguing about teleprompters even though the only people who care about teleprompters are people who are looking for a reason to slam Obama. this is the essence of dog whistle racism, except the difference is that nobody thinks you're being reasonable, everyone just thinks you're making a whole bunch of shit up and embarrassing the other side. it's real difficult to be bipartisan when one side is getting upset over teleprompters.[/QUOTE] Believe me, both sides tend to get upset from the stupidest of things.

really looking forward to the ryan/biden because I doubt ryan act as moderate as romney did

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37906182]Because he was aggressive. He sounded good on a superficial level but if you listen closely it sounds like shit.[/QUOTE] How many people listen closely though.

[QUOTE=person11;37906173]how did Romney win the debate then [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] I mean I hate to admit it but Romney did a great job and nobody expected it. I bet Obama was not even trying because he thought it would be easy as hell[/QUOTE] Again, being aggressive in a debate does not equal winning that debate.

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37906187]really looking forward to the ryan/biden because I doubt ryan act as moderate as romney did[/QUOTE] I pray for Biden. Ryan may be a serial liar, but Biden is... well he is Biden. [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafan;37906191]Again, being aggressive in a debate does not equal winning that debate.[/QUOTE] Public perception and media coverage are more important than the truth If CNN people says Romney won, and a poll says Romney won, then Romney won, even though he lied most of the time

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;37906183]Believe me, both sides tend to get upset from the stupidest of things.[/QUOTE] you can't point at the other side when you feel threatened. i have no sympathy for the democratic party but i do have values and i'm not going to sell them short by subscribing to the idiotic position that "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD, FUCK EVERYONE". no this is a Republican problem. the Democrats have their problems but red herring remarks about a candidates secondary traits are not a problem with Democrats. nobody mentioned Mitt Romney's Mormonism, his creepy demeanor, the fact that he is 100% an elitist etc etc etc

[QUOTE=Megafan;37906191]Again, being aggressive in a debate does not equal winning that debate.[/QUOTE] according to the polls it does polls can be dumb sometimes [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=person11;37906192]I pray for Biden. Ryan may be a serial liar, but Biden is... well he is Biden.[/QUOTE] Dude's a pretty good VP and legislator, gaffes aside. Ryan talks big and like to carry around a big pair of scissors