2012 Presidential Debate Thread - Obama/Biden vs. Romney/Ryan - October 3rd-22nd: Live 9 PM EST Toni - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bomimo;37909765]HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH THIS IS FUCKING GOLD!!! YOU need to listen to logic and facts and stop living in some dream world. Who do you think STOPPED Obama from doing anyting? Just don't vote, oh wow... The republicans were close to crashing your whole country last year and state they're planning to do the same again this year, just to oust Obama from power and try to spin him as the one who crashed the public sector. They won't agree to anything. They're being little whores with "gib me or i crash country!". I'm not even joking Check the press from last year July. They want power whatever the cost. Nothing will ever be enough for sub-intelligent nitwits like you. It's painfully obvious that the republicans are either heading for feudal-Anarchy or Theocrasy in order to assert control over the masses with use of "baby Jesus" and "socialism is Saddam Hussein!" Not only that, but Romney has repeatedly shown himself to be an inconsiderate cunt who wants people who don't or can't adhere to his religious doctrines to suffer. Lesbians, gays, Minorities, Handicapped. He's a cold-hearted fuck if not a total psychopath. The republican party has become all fucked-shit insane these past 4 years. What happened? On the other hand, Obama wants everyone to be equal among eachother (and in case of retards, before god) and at least he seems to mean that. It's a cycle started by bush and one they've been positively chokeholding Obama from fixing. Don't fucking vote dude. THis is fucking dumb. Either follow this all or don't vote. You're more of a danger to society than you think. You're being insanely irresponsible. You're endorsing oppression of US citizens. I mean, i can get that you'd want to opress everyone else, but US citizens? Human rights will get even further out of American range than it's ever been. This isn't even a case of lesser of two evils anymore, because Romney makes Obama seem like a fucking saint. Especially if one remembers his inaction was in want for cross-party cooperation and unity. But what kind of sick socialist fucknigger wants a unified america.[/QUOTE] it sure gets your point across when you say the N word. Theres really no point in debating with you if all you're going to do is resort to name calling and blaming the opposing party when they both have their issues. and you don't point at anything obama does wrong."OBAMA'S PERFECT STOP TRYING TO CHANGE MY POINT OF VIEW YOU ****" ROAR! so your view is extremely biased and you will never change.

-snip from the minefield-

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;37910510]You just completely misinterpreted the "name calling" there. Just pointing that out and leaving before I get caught in the shitstorm.[/QUOTE] No he didn't [quote=Bomimo posted] Nothing will ever be enough for sub-intelligent nitwits like you [/quote] That's a pretty clear insult/'name calling'

[QUOTE=Morcam;37910349]Remember the two year democratic supermajority where they could do whatever the fuck they wanted? Then they did, then they got voted out of office? I do.[/QUOTE] do you mean the two years that lasted from July 8th 2009 (when Al Franken was signed in, making it filibuster proof, aka a supermajority) to august 25th, 2009 (Ted Kennedy's death), then September 25th 2009 (Paul Kirk takes Kennedy's seat) to February 4th 2010 (when he was replaced by Scott Brown)? wow that DID happen at some point in the two separate years of 2009 AND 2010. Man, those 170 days were the longest 730 days of my life

[QUOTE=Morcam;37910349]Remember the two year democratic supermajority where they could do whatever the fuck they wanted? Then they did, then they got voted out of office? I do.[/QUOTE] "Whatever they wanted" turned out to be bipartisanship, and the Republican definition of bipartisanship is getting 99% of what they want. Quoting John Boehner.

Obama really sucked it up on this debate. I was surprised.

Hey man, if you want to argue that Democratic congressmen aren't good at their job I'll agree with you, but atleast they ain't Republicans.

[video=youtube;jebDlVAcpGo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jebDlVAcpGo[/video]

[QUOTE=EliteGuy;37910544]No he didn't That's a pretty clear insult/'name calling'[/QUOTE] It's a subjective presentation of an objective observation on his voting habits. Nitwit = knowing nothing or lacking potential to know anything. Not an insult in this context. Just an observation. He's voting by who's "stronger and nicer". That's dumb.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;37910695]It's a subjective presentation of an objective observation on his voting habits. Nitwit = knowing nothing or lacking potential to know anything. Not an insult in this context. Just an observation. He's voting by who's "stronger and nicer". That's dumb.[/QUOTE] It's not subjective if the term is used in a condescending tone, that makes it insulting. You're implying he's less intelligent because of his unintelligent opinion, which may be true but it's still insulting.

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37910670][video=youtube;jebDlVAcpGo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jebDlVAcpGo[/video][/QUOTE] Obama is right in the sense that the Romney on stage was entirely different than what Romney is actually advocating.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;37910797]Obama is right in the sense that the Romney on stage was entirely different than what Romney is actually advocating.[/QUOTE] You can tell by the amount of people in this thread who think/thought he was even remotely close to moderate.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/04/1139682/-So-about-that-CNN-Snap-Poll] so it seems that most guys polled for that cnn poll were southern white over 50 guys[/url] also [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/03/footnoting-the-debate/]Washington Post[/url] fact checks stuff

Alright. Things are not as bad as they seemed to be last night. The debate last night will not change that many minds.

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37910883][URL="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/04/1139682/-So-about-that-CNN-Snap-Poll"] so it seems that most guys polled for that cnn poll were southern white over 50 guys[/URL] also [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/03/footnoting-the-debate/"]Washington Post[/URL] fact checks stuff[/QUOTE] politifact too [URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/[/URL]

538 has revised his prediction to a 2.2 gain for Romney by next week.

[QUOTE=person11;37911049]538 has revised his prediction to a 2.2 gain for Romney by next week.[/QUOTE] What is 538 and how is it credible?

Take politifact with a grain of salt by looking into the details of their conclusions, they have a bad habit of fudging the issue with their "half-true" nonsense. A good example is this [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/03/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-cut-716-billion-medicare/[/url] Says it's half true when in reality it's completely, unequivocally false.

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37911058]What is 538 and how is it credible?[/QUOTE] A blog ran by a very good statistician

He predicted 2008 and 2010 ver accurately, and his before the debate calculations gave Obama an 86% chance of winning.

How am I dumb for not knowing about some obscure American blog?

[url]http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37911165][url]http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/[/url][/QUOTE] Neat, those are some well laid out statistics.

[QUOTE=person11;37911150]He predicted 2008 and 2010 ver accurately, and his before the debate calculations gave Obama an 86% chance of winning.[/QUOTE] He predicted which candidate every state would go for in 2008 correctly. Except for Indiana, where he was off by 1%.

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37911157]How am I dumb for not knowing about some obscure American blog?[/QUOTE] it's not obscure by any means

[QUOTE=Bomimo;37909878]Rights under responsibility. That's something we really need more Americans to understand. You've got to be able to stand by your actions or don't do it at all. Would you stand by Romney as he takes away healthcare for seniors and Juniors? As he exports more americna jobs overseas? As he passes Mormon horseshit into american law, undoes all the progress on Homosexual and finally possibly manages to make America a for real Christian country with no room for deviants? [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] Right. You're a lost cause. You'll ignore anything that doesn't support your view, wouldn't you? Right to vote: suspended. Right to breathe: under deliberation. Let me put it this way. You're exactly the kind of voter both candidates want at this point and you're exactly the kind of voter America doesn't need right now. You at LEAST need GOOD reasons to vote for Romney or Saddam Obama and you ain't got any. "X didn't do shit, Y sounded nicer" isn't a good enough reason. You're kicking everyone who votes with their mind square in the balls and you're raping America.[/QUOTE] My view is that Gary Johnson is the candidate America needs, and so I'll vote for him. Obama's a good backup, and I'd rather he win than Romney. Also, stop using fallicies and insults to get your point across. You look like a right fool.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;37911285]it's not obscure by any means[/QUOTE] Only because you know of it, I don't even live in the States.. yet you think anybody who does not know of some random blog = stupid. Eh..

I've never heard of it, and I live here. And I browse FP a lot. I've never seen it come up in a thread until now.

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37910670][video=youtube;jebDlVAcpGo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jebDlVAcpGo[/video][/QUOTE] If he delivers something like that on the next debate, I don't think he'll have a problem winning.

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37911327]Only because you know of it, I don't even live in the States.. yet you think anybody who does not know of some random blog = stupid. Eh..[/QUOTE] more like learn to google? rather than asking us. It's not about you not knowing about the blog, it's about your posting about it.