4-year-old grabs loaded gun at family BBQ and accidentally kills wife of Tennessee sheriff’s deputy - Polidicks

I am always hearing about sheriffs or police officers at home having their children accidentally killed because of their poor gun control at home. You think with all the safety and weapons protocol they have to follow they would prioritize safely locking up their own weapons... But hey good thing you only need a high school diploma to be a cop..

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;40222506]the cartel needs their guns to kill people and enforce their regime of course they'll be kind enough to sell them back brickinhead[/QUOTE] The cartel wants to make money. Huge demand for firearms and ammo = big money opportunity. They won't sell back what they already had though. They'll just find a new supply or create their own. Besides, there's so much firearms and ammo circulating right now that a new supply line would not even be relevant for quite a while.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222537]The cartel wants to make money. Huge demand for firearms and ammo = big money opportunity. They won't sell back what they already had though. They'll just find a new supply or create their own. [B]Besides, there's so much firearms and ammo circulating right now that a new supply line would not even be relevant for quite a while.[/B][/QUOTE] well it won't affect anything today why bother "besides there's so many people who still hate black people, civil rights won't even be relevant for quite a while"

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;40222489]are you in middle school[/QUOTE] Welp, guess that's it for me, you've caught me, guess ill go kill myself now.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;40222572]well it won't affect anything today why bother "besides there's so many people who still hate black people, that civil rights won't even be relevant for quite a while"[/QUOTE] Completely stupid comparison. You can deal with racists while pushing for civil rights in the future. Dealing with the inevitable surge of violence from a gun control act would not be so easy to do.

i'm actually genuinely curious how many rounds do you have, in your possession, right now

It's the woman's fault for not having a bullet proof vest.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222612]Completely stupid comparison. You can deal with racists while pushing for civil rights in the future. Dealing with the inevitable surge of violence from a gun control act would not be so easy to do.[/QUOTE] There was no surge in violence from a gun control act in any comparative western nation.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;40222624]i'm actually genuinely curious how many rounds do you have, in your possession, right now[/QUOTE] Probably about eight or nine thousand rounds of different variety. And I don't have much compared to a lot of people I know. [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;40222633]There was no surge in violence from a gun control act in any comparative western nation.[/QUOTE] That's because they didn't have anything to fight for and they didn't have an established gun culture. Being in our bill of rights, people would find justification in using those weapons on a person for a reason they never had until the government created it.

[QUOTE=snapshot32;40222601]Welp, guess that's it for me, you've caught me, guess ill go kill myself now.[/QUOTE] don't do that please

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222650]That's because they didn't have anything to fight for and they didn't have an established gun culture. Being in our bill of rights, people would find justification in using those weapons on a person for a reason they never had until the government created it.[/QUOTE] But surely you must realise that this would only happen hypothetically when enough people wanted it to happen to make it democratically accountable. There will be the rogue nutter here and there I'm sure.

This child in school, bragging among his friends. [I]"I killed that terribly hard boss in Wonderland 3 yesterday!" "Pfft, that's nothing. I killed the wife of the deputy when I was four."[/I] In all seriousness, sad to hear.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40222704]But surely you must realise that this would only happen hypothetically when enough people wanted it to happen to make it democratically accountable. Sure there will be the rogue nutter here and there I'm sure.[/QUOTE] In case you haven't noticed, pro-gun people are the majority or close to it. Even more so in the police force, and there was that poll that showed most officers wouldn't enforce gun control and would actually fight it. I'm not saying it will erupt into civil war, but there would undoubtedly be a huge backlash and violence will happen. After all, protecting the rights of citizens is the entire reason for allowing firearms in the first place. So those people who would enact violence will find justification that other "rogue nutters" haven't.

also if we pull out the utilitarianism working on a 100 year look ahead if we banned guns today completely, had everyone turn them in and have them get melted down, yeah some people would go nuts, maybe shoot some people. then they'd get arrested and have those guns seized and melted down its a self helping situation. every time someone went mad and shot some people, more guns would be removed

[QUOTE=Wootmang;40222532]I am always hearing about sheriffs or police officers at home having their children accidentally killed because of their poor gun control at home. You think with all the safety and weapons protocol they have to follow they would prioritize safely locking up their own weapons... But hey good thing you only need a high school diploma to be a cop..[/QUOTE] You even notice how ALL aspects of life are filled with people who violate safety rules? This applies to gun owners too. It seems to me that a lot of people out there who see themselves as experts, or trained, in certain things ignore safety rules because they think those rules are for the dumbass, untrained, inexperienced people out there. People like this deputy forget that part of the reason these rules exist is to protect everyone from unforeseen circumstances. I have no doubt that this deputy never imagined that some kid who doesn't even live in his home would someday grab a gun off his bed and kill his wife with it. But that's EXACTLY why we have safety rules, so you don't have to pre-plan for every possible emergency. If this deputy had kept to basic safety procedures this kid wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone, that's what's so sad about it to me.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222746]In case you haven't noticed, pro-gun people are the majority or close to it. Even more so in the police force, and there wast that poll that showed most officers wouldn't enforce gun control and would actually fight it. I'm not saying it will erupt into civil war, but there would undoubtedly be a huge backlash and violence will happen. After all, protecting the rights of citizens is the entire reason for allowing firearms in the first place.[/QUOTE] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-34Xl93KFR3w/T1JCJPMYFII/AAAAAAAAP-U/nw03fF6BreQ/s640/gun+graph+top.jpg[/img] Its on the decline. And it'll be much, much lower when they do. Gradualism and all that. Anyway, no sensible person will declare that private firearm ownership is tantamount to democracy.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222746]In case you haven't noticed, pro-gun people are the majority or close to it. Even more so in the police force, and there was that poll that showed [B]most officers wouldn't enforce gun control and would actually fight it.[/B] I'm not saying it will erupt into civil war, but there would undoubtedly be a huge backlash and violence will happen. After all, protecting the rights of citizens is the entire reason for allowing firearms in the first place. So those people who would enact violence will find justification that other "rogue nutters" haven't.[/QUOTE] we've already discussed this it isn't a cops job to determine what and what is not legal

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;40222763]also if we pull out the utilitarianism working on a 100 year look ahead if we banned guns today completely, had everyone turn them in and have them get melted down, yeah some people would go nuts, maybe shoot some people. then they'd get arrested and have those guns seized and melted down its a self helping situation. every time someone went mad and shot some people, more guns would be removed[/QUOTE] I don't believe everybody will start shooting, but it won't be just a few people who refuse to hand their guns over. If you think that'll happen, you're completely naive to the rest of the country. [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=LordCrypto;40222787]we've already discussed this it isn't a cops job to determine what and what is not legal[/QUOTE] No, but it would cause a lot of disruption in law enforcement. It's a protest, not a legally justified act.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222796]I don't believe everybody will start shooting, [B]but it won't be just a few people who refuse to hand their guns over. [/B] If you think that'll happen, you're completely naive to the rest of the country. [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] No, but it would cause a lot of disruption in law enforcement. It's a protest, not a legally justified act.[/QUOTE] then the atf swoops in and takes them for you?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40222777][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-34Xl93KFR3w/T1JCJPMYFII/AAAAAAAAP-U/nw03fF6BreQ/s640/gun+graph+top.jpg[/img] Its on the decline. And it'll be much, much lower when they do. Gradualism and all that. Anyway, no sensible person will declare that private firearm ownership is tantamount to democracy.[/QUOTE] No sensible person will declare that a direct violation of the Bill of Rights is an issue? Even if you don't own guns, that being able to happen should raise some questions. That's one of the most idiotic statements I've ever seen.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222843]No sensible person will declare that a direct violation of the Bill of Rights is an issue? Even if you don't own guns, that being able to happen should raise some questions. That's one of the most idiotic statements I've ever seen.[/QUOTE] Prohibition used to be on the Constitution. Just sayin'

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;40222841]then the atf swoops in and takes them for you?[/QUOTE] You make it sound like they'll just be quietly storming in the occasional crazy person's house. No, they would have to be storming entire neighborhoods, even towns. You think that wouldn't stir shit up? [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;40222855]Prohibition used to be on the Constitution. Just sayin'[/QUOTE] Not in the Bill of Rights. Kind of a huge difference.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222861]You make it sound like they'll just be quietly storming in the occasional crazy person's house. No, they would have to be storming entire neighborhoods, even towns. You think that wouldn't stir shit up?[/QUOTE] Yes the great rebellious american peo... no. I'm sure most will just go through buy-back schemes in this hypothetical scenario. Very few americans will want to get arrested over something like a gun.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40222895]Yes the great rebellious american peo... no. I'm sure most will just go through buy-back schemes in this hypothetical scenario. Very few americans will want to get arrested over something like a gun.[/QUOTE] That's because you don't know the people you're making assumptions about. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222909]That's because you don't know the people you're making assumptions about. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] And you're not making assumptions? At least mine are based on normal human behaviour rather than fantastical american exceptionalism.

meller yeller you are telling me you value your god given right to shoot guns more than your ability to not be shot by the atf when they come and seize your guns?

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222909]That's because you don't know the people you're making assumptions about. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] i think it's rather foolish to assume that the majority of gun owners would prefer to be criminals in that event

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40222928]And you're not making assumptions? At least mine are based on normal human behaviour rather than fantastical american exceptionalism.[/QUOTE] Your assumptions are based on the people you know in your own culture. Mine are based on the people I know in my own culture. We have two different halves here that don't share the same behaviors and opinions. Which is my point.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40222965]Your assumptions are based on the people you know in your own culture. Mine are based on the people I know in my own culture. We have two different halves here that don't share the same behaviors and opinions. Which is my point.[/QUOTE] Is this the same culture that let the Patriot Act through?

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;40222960]i think it's rather foolish to assume that the majority of gun owners would prefer to be criminals in that event[/QUOTE] People find power in numbers and support. Gun activists would have a lot of both at this present time. Even in our own law enforcement they would find support.