Sadistic parenting story of the day: foster mother arrested for torturing and sodomizing her 10-year - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lankist;32240071]Yeah I was agreeing with you.[/QUOTE] Ah, I see.

[QUOTE=cccritical;32240025]right I forgot how being fed 3 square meals a day with no cost to you and a permanent living area with no risk of running out of money or worries about loans or responsibilities is comparable to being forcefed dogshit raped by a toothbrush and having your dick burnt until it bleeds prison is practically worse than that!!![/QUOTE] You have a way too bright idea of what prison life is like.

[QUOTE=cccritical;32240088]death is worse than what this boy suffered? haha alright bye[/QUOTE] Death is not the answer. If you wish to depart from this debate, by all means feel free to.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32239728]Because killing her makes us no better than she is.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? That is a silly statement. If we DO execute her for her crimes, which are quite horrible, we'll be branded as having the [U]capacity[/U] to traumatize a child for life - no better than her because we demand "Justice" in defense of the child? I understand where you're coming from, but you must understand that Justice is a highly subjective matter. Sure, she has retains her rights so it's only humane to stick her in jail, but try perspective: tax-payers are the source of upkeep of this individual and I wouldn't be happy knowing something like that. In my case, if she had the mental fortitude to commit things like this, I don't think she'll be changing much from rotting in a cell either... Make no mistake, I don't advocate the Death Penalty. But using cheesy adages like that is just bad.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32240102]Death is not the answer. If you wish to depart from this debate, by all means feel free to.[/QUOTE] Hell, I'd almost wave a flag and banner if he did, it's just stupid.

[QUOTE=cccritical;32240088]death is worse than what this boy suffered? haha alright bye[/QUOTE] Yes. Are you stupid? Are you going to start raising philosophical questions about the death of the soul now? Are you saying this boy should have died? Are you saying he would be better off if he were dead?

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;32240115]Wait, what? That is a silly statement. If we DO execute her for her crimes, which are quite horrible, we'll be branded as having the [U]capacity[/U] to traumatize a child for life - no better than her because we demand "Justice" in defense of the child? I understand where you're coming from, but you must understand that Justice is a highly subjective matter. Sure, she has retains her rights so it's only humane to stick her in jail, but try perspective: tax-payers are the source of upkeep of this individual and I wouldn't be happy knowing something like that. In my case, if she had the mental fortitude to commit things like this, I don't think she'll be changing much from rotting in a cell either... Make no mistake, I don't advocate the Death Penalty. But using cheesy adages like that is just bad.[/QUOTE] That's a fair point, and I understand that people have different opinions on what justice is.

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;32240115]Wait, what? That is a silly statement. If we DO execute her for her crimes, which are quite horrible, we'll be branded as having the [U]capacity[/U] to traumatize a child for life - no better than her because we demand "Justice" in defense of the child? I understand where you're coming from, but you must understand that Justice is a highly subjective matter. Sure, she has retains her rights so it's only humane to stick her in jail, but try perspective: tax-payers are the source of upkeep of this individual and I wouldn't be happy knowing something like that. In my case, if she had the mental fortitude to commit things like this, I don't think she'll be changing much from rotting in a cell either... Make no mistake, I don't advocate the Death Penalty. But using cheesy adages like that is just bad.[/QUOTE] I was always taught that justice is simply solving a problem with minimal losses to any party. Cold, quantifiable justice. None of this emotional retribution, no eye-for-an-eye. Solve a problem, don't make it worse. The most merciful solution that still solves the problem at hand is preferable. Also money is never an excuse for death. Someone who says they would rather kill a human being than lose a few dollars is a criminal.

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;32240115]Wait, what? That is a silly statement. If we DO execute her for her crimes, which are quite horrible, we'll be branded as having the [U]capacity[/U] to traumatize a child for life - no better than her because we demand "Justice" in defense of the child? I understand where you're coming from, but you must understand that Justice is a highly subjective matter. Sure, she has retains her rights so it's only humane to stick her in jail, but try perspective: tax-payers are the source of upkeep of this individual and I wouldn't be happy knowing something like that. In my case, if she had the mental fortitude to commit things like this, I don't think she'll be changing much from rotting in a cell either... Make no mistake, I don't advocate the Death Penalty. But using cheesy adages like that is just bad.[/QUOTE] But why would some people not pay taxes to keep a criminal like this in jail while they still pay taxes to keep thieves, rapists, murderers and other criminals in jail? [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;32240193]I was always taught that justice is simply solving a problem with minimal losses to any party. Cold, quantifiable justice. None of this emotional retribution, no eye-for-an-eye. Solve a problem, don't make it worse. The most merciful solution that still solves the problem at hand is preferable.[/QUOTE] The justice system exists so that the accused one can fight for themselves, even when in prison. That possibilty or right or whatever you may call it, is taken away when you're killed though.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;32238270]agreed, finally someone who doesn't compromise their belief in death penalty when something really fucked up happens[/QUOTE] Nothing can justify the death penalty, its illogical to believe that death can justify a crime

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;32237472]That's what enraged me the most. HOW IN THE BLUE FUCK COULD LET THIS ONE SLIDE?! HOW?! There are no words. And they have NO excuses.[/QUOTE] CPS here in Arizona seem to fuck up fairly often. It feels like some abuse story makes the news at least once a year where they have a file on the family but don't act until it's too late (usually when the kid's been beaten to death or something).

[QUOTE=HandyAmMi;32240269]CPS here in Arizona seem to fuck up fairly often. It feels like some abuse story makes the news at least once a year where they have a file on the family but don't act until it's too late (usually when the kid's been beaten to death or something).[/QUOTE] I hope they get their fair amount of complaints and criticism for this case. It shouldn't have happened, but it did, so they must have done something wrong.

[QUOTE=cccritical;32240025]right I forgot how being fed 3 square meals a day with no cost to you and a permanent living area with no risk of running out of money or worries about loans or responsibilities is comparable to being forcefed dogshit raped by a toothbrush and having your dick burnt until it bleeds prison is practically worse than that!!![/QUOTE] You are also forced to stay there for the rest of your life (at least in this woman's case), the food is crap, the living area is crap, and there's prisoner on prisoner violence (especially in this woman's case). Even then it isn't worse (unless if she has a sudden change of heart and absolutely regrets everything and understands what she did, and is stuck in solitary confinement for the rest of her life, but I doubt that, and even then it depends), but,as others have said, you're not supposed to do something [I]worse[/I] than they did. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32240028]No, you misread me. I'm not saying this should go unpunished, not in the slightest. She should be sent to prison, but the death penalty is [B]never[/B] appropriate.[/QUOTE] I messed up and added the second sentence under your quote instead of under critical's. I'm not sure if what you still applies, you tell me. Either way, yes, there should be punishment, and yes, jail does count as punishment. [QUOTE=cccritical;32240088]death is worse than what this boy suffered? haha alright bye[/QUOTE] It depends on your views of which is worse, death or torture, really. But either way, we shouldn't torture her. If you view death as worse than torture, then it's out of the picture. If you view torture as worse than death, then it could still be applicable, depending on what the ratio of punishment to rehabilitation / isolation from society you think there should be.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32240204]But why would some people not pay taxes to keep a criminal like this in jail while they still pay taxes to keep thieves, rapists, murderers and other criminals in jail? [/QUOTE] Because we know of their existence and (roughly) their numbers. When something as extreme as this comes along, we start drawing lines.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32240315]Because we know of their existence and (roughly) their numbers. When something as extreme as this comes along, we start drawing lines.[/QUOTE] I don't get it, you know the thieves and therefor you can 'live with paying taxes for them'? Or what do you mean?

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32240204]The justice system exists so that the accused one can fight for themselves, even when in prison. That possibilty or right or whatever you may call it, is taken away when you're killed though.[/QUOTE] That's the justice system. I was more referring to justice as a concept.

[QUOTE=cccritical;32239858] if you wouldn't execute hitler you are a worthless subhuman[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/v7E4W.gif[/IMG] [B][I]"I'm worthless!"[/I][/B]

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32240339]I don't get it, you know the thieves and therefor you can 'live with paying taxes for them'? Or what do you mean?[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's not that easy to put, lemme try again. Rapists and the like, we know that there's plenty of them so crying for their executions (or whatever you feel like) is simply an impossible task so paying taxes to keep them in prison is a necessary evil if you like. People like this on the other hand are extreme criminals, we don't say them a whole lot so essentially every ounce of sympathy in any way is down the drain. This is where our more barbaric instincts kick in. We don't want to pay this woman so she can stay alive, just kill her already, she's scum, all that jazz.

Nromally I'm quite strong stomached and can read articles like this without it having too much of an effect on me, but I'm really at a loss for words. That poor kid.

Why is it evil to pay taxes to keep criminals away from you and your society though? You're not exacly supporting their cause by putting them to jail.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32240554]Why is it evil to pay taxes to keep criminals away from you and your society though? You're not exacly supporting their cause by putting them to jail.[/QUOTE] We don't want them in our society and we don't really like paying for them. That essentially leaves us killing them, which gets us foul cries from human rights organizations and such. So we pretty much just have to put up with it. Like the grumpy old man who complains about the price of prune juice but still buys it because he can't get it anywhere else.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32239837]And it wasted taxpayers money, it costs $57 a day for each prisoner, just a single year for this worthless bitch would cost $20,000, what a waste that would be.[/QUOTE]Execution is far more expensive than life in prison. [url]http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost[/url]

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32240617]Execution is far more expensive than life in prison. [url]http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost[/url][/QUOTE] First obvious question: Do they only count the executions themselves or the time on death row as well?

Boy I sure wish the rapture was real just for this son of a bitch to stay in hell. But really, this is just inexcusable. I wish every greedy person out there(in this case the child services) and all the other assholes were just gone.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32240599]We don't want them in our society and we don't really like paying for them. That essentially leaves us killing them, which gets us foul cries from human rights organizations and such. So we pretty much just have to put up with it. Like the grumpy old man who complains about the price of prune juice but still buys it because he can't get it anywhere else.[/QUOTE] Prison is there to keep them away from us, and we're not paying for them, we're just keeping them away from society.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32240637]First obvious question: Do they only count the executions themselves or the time on death row as well?[/QUOTE] The time on death row is included as well.

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[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32240660]Prison is there to keep them away from us, and we're not paying for them, we're just keeping them away from society.[/QUOTE] We ARE paying for them, to keep them away from society, like you said. Ideally we'd let them all rot away but human rights mandate we take care of them so we're forced to.

[QUOTE]Barnes burned his penis with a curling iron before tying a necklace around it, which caused the boy's penis to bleed.[/QUOTE] My penis, it burns..

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32240725]We ARE paying for them, to keep them away from society, like you said. Ideally we'd let them all rot away but human rights mandate we take care of them so we're forced to.[/QUOTE] We're paying our taxes to keep up our society. It's not like we're giving the criminals money. Why would we let them rot away? Ideally we wouldn't arrest people who are innocent, but that still happens, and that's why we can't systematically kill people.