Sadistic parenting story of the day: foster mother arrested for torturing and sodomizing her 10-year - Polidicks

Curiosity strikes: Why do executions cost so much? What fancy-ass, lightshow-enhanced techniques are we using these days?

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;32240875]Curiosity strikes: Why do executions cost so much? What fancy-ass, lightshow-enhanced techniques are we using these days?[/QUOTE] I think it's alot of formalities.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32240725]We ARE paying for them, to keep them away from society, like you said. Ideally we'd let them all rot away but human rights mandate we take care of them so we're forced to.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but are you saying that your money is more important than human life? [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=just-a-boy;32240875]Curiosity strikes: Why do executions cost so much? What fancy-ass, lightshow-enhanced techniques are we using these days?[/QUOTE] Everyone has a right to appeal, including in death-penalty cases. You cannot deny someone the right to appeal. Appeals cost a lot of money. And do not say "just cut the appeals," that is what the nazis did. [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;32240939]I think it's alot of formalities.[/QUOTE] Incredibly important formalities.

Well I don't know you people, but me, growing in a place where the most violent criminals would go to jail only to be released a few years later and keep commiting the same crimes over and over, killing dozens of innocent people, I'm all in favor of death penalty. I don't really need to argue about it, it's my very personal opinion, it just doesn't seem logical to me to have these criminals who even manage to keep doing their criminal businesses from inside jail alive, they don't serve any good to society, they just keep on fucking up things. Perhaps death penalty doesn't apply to this horrible crime, but for far more serious or even series of crimes death penalty should be ruled. My two cents.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32240942]Everyone has a right to appeal, including in death-penalty cases. You cannot deny someone the right to appeal. Appeals cost a lot of money. And do not say "just cut the appeals," that is what the nazis did.[/QUOTE] Even with the maximum amount of appeals, we still end up with innocent people slipping through the cracks.

[QUOTE=Billiam;32240991]Even with the maximum amount of appeals, we still end up with innocent people slipping through the cracks.[/QUOTE] we in the field call that prosecutorial misconduct

[QUOTE=barttool;32240969]Well I don't know you people, but me, growing in a place where the most violent criminals would go to jail only to be released a few years later and keep commiting the same crimes over and over, killing dozens of innocent people, I'm all in favor of death penalty.[/quote] If that is going on in Panama, that's a problem, but not one that would be solved with the death penalty. [QUOTE=barttool;32240969]I don't really need to argue about it, it's my very personal opinion, it just doesn't seem logical to me to have these criminals who even manage to keep doing their criminal businesses from inside jail alive, they don't serve any good to society, they just keep on fucking up things.[/quote] So you state your opinion, claim that it is the only logical one, and that you will not argue about it? Sounds pretty arrogant.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32240725]We ARE paying for them, to keep them away from society, like you said. Ideally we'd let them all rot away but human rights mandate we take care of them so we're forced to.[/QUOTE] If WE didn't pay by taxes and such to have the prisons built, the prisoners would be free. And unfortunately that is just one example why we HAVE to pay taxes

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32241077]If that is going on in Panama, that's a problem, but not one that would be solved with the death penalty. So you state your opinion, claim that it is the only logical one, and that you will not argue about it? Sounds pretty arrogant.[/QUOTE] Not in panama, I grew up in Venezuela, and trust me, it would solve a lot of problems. [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32241077]If that is going on in Panama, that's a problem, but not one that would be solved with the death penalty. So you state your opinion, claim that it is the only logical one, and that you will not argue about it? Sounds pretty arrogant.[/QUOTE] read again, "it just doesn't seem logical [b]to me[/b]"

[QUOTE=barttool;32241124]Not in panama, I grew up in Venezuela, and trust me, it would solve a lot of problems.[/QUOTE] If it is truly as mismanaged as you say, then surely if you just suddenly started doling out death penalties, that innocents would be caught in the crossfire. The notion that such a thing might happen is unconscionable.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32240942]Everyone has a right to appeal, including in death-penalty cases. You cannot deny someone the right to appeal. Appeals cost a lot of money. And do not say "just cut the appeals," that is what the nazis did.[/QUOTE] But doesn't that just give the [U]guilty[/U] people every chance to mess with us one last time, possibly being proven innocent in the process? Ofcourse it's good that innocent people are given the chance to prove thus, but the [B]majority[/B] of these people are truly criminals, are they not?

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;32241569]But doesn't that just give the [U]guilty[/U] people every chance to mess with us one last time, possibly being proven innocent in the process? Ofcourse it's good that innocent people are given the chance to prove thus, but the [B]majority[/B] of these people are truly criminals, are they not?[/QUOTE] If they're proven innocent, they're innocent. The methods that we use to prove innocence in an appeals case are the EXACT same methods that were used to prove guilt. If you've got a problem with the system that proved someone innocent, you've got a problem with the system that called them guilty to begin with. Appeals aren't some nebulous issue. They operate upon the exact same standard of evidence. If the evidence during the original trial was faulty or falsifiable, then the accused is innocent. And don't throw this "Most of them are guilty" bullshit. Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. One death of an innocent makes all of us murderers. It doesn't matter how many guilty people you put away, if ONE innocent person is punished for a crime they didn't commit then that batting average is null-and-void. The system that kills an innocent person (and we HAVE killed innocents, dozens of times) is no longer a just system. You can't say sacrifice is necessary, you executed people precisely for the fact that they killed someone. Who gets executed when the government murders an innocent person?

I hope no one that is suggesting strange torture methods as punishment is serious. The amount of agrees is making me worry.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32239657]No it isnt. You need some goddamn perspective, you fucking maniac.[/QUOTE] "Everyone who doesn't agree with my opinion is sick in the head!"

[QUOTE=Rebi;32241775]"Everyone who doesn't agree with my opinion is sick in the head!"[/QUOTE] You realize that is exactly what Lankist was responding to, right?

[QUOTE=Rebi;32241775]"Everyone who doesn't agree with my opinion is sick in the head!"[/QUOTE] Uhh saying you want to torture people is pretty much the definition of sick in the head

[QUOTE=Lankist;32241620]If they're proven innocent, they're innocent. The methods that we use to prove innocence in an appeals case are the EXACT same methods that were used to prove guilt. If you've got a problem with the system that proved someone innocent, you've got a problem with the system that called them guilty to begin with. Appeals aren't some nebulous issue. They operate upon the exact same standard of evidence. If the evidence during the original trial was faulty or falsifiable, then the accused is innocent. And don't throw this "Most of them are guilty" bullshit. Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. One death of an innocent makes all of us murderers. It doesn't matter how many guilty people you put away, if ONE innocent person is punished for a crime they didn't commit then that batting average is null-and-void. The system that kills an innocent person (and we HAVE killed innocents, dozens of times) is no longer a just system. You can't say sacrifice is necessary, you executed people precisely for the fact that they killed someone. Who gets executed when the government murders an innocent person?[/QUOTE] Alright, I understand. However, I've not once implied sacrifice was/is necessary - stop putting words in my mouth. You seem to know the trade, though. And as I know next to nothing about exactly what goes down as Justice is served, I have no reason to keep on debating.

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;32242034]However, I've not once implied sacrifice was/is necessary - stop putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE] Just a preventative measure. I've had this conversation enough times to know where it goes if I don't cut off that route and how much I don't want to have that part of the argument again. Always cut off any avenues of rationalization. Otherwise someone accuses you of sympathizing with Demon Hitler.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32242057]Just a preventative measure. I've had this conversation enough times to know where it goes if I don't cut off that route and how much I don't want to have that part of the argument again. Always cut off any avenues of rationalization. Otherwise someone accuses you of sympathizing with Demon Hitler.[/QUOTE] Always avoid the Demon Hitler argument.

imo its more important to consider the prevention of this case than the punishment anyway, perhaps we wouldnt have to consider alternative methods of incarceration so much if child protection services did their job better

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something about the way they wrote this line [QUOTE]They involve feces, a toothbrush, and the boy's anus.[/QUOTE] just doesn't settle well with me. it's like they were trying to make a "these three things don't go together" joke.

I wouldn't really want the death penalty for a person like this, instead if this were to happen to me, I'd rather sue them and have them spend the rest of their miserable lives paying me back.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32241853]Uhh saying you want to torture people is pretty much the definition of sick in the head[/QUOTE] The guy you said it to was just talking about the plain death-penalty, not torturing someone, as far as I remember at least.

[QUOTE=Rebi;32243027]The guy you said it to was just talking about the plain death-penalty, not torturing someone, as far as I remember at least.[/QUOTE] No, previously he said something along the lines of "you don't have to kill her, just burn her slowly for a week."

[QUOTE=Bobie;32242725]imo its more important to consider the prevention of this case than the punishment anyway, perhaps we wouldnt have to consider alternative methods of incarceration so much if child protection services did their job better[/QUOTE] But beyond CPS doing their jobs better, how would you recommend preventing things like this from happening?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32243620]But beyond CPS doing their jobs better, how would you recommend preventing things like this from happening?[/QUOTE] Mostly CPS doing their jobs better.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32243629]Mostly CPS doing their jobs better.[/QUOTE] Right, I was just trying to get his opinion on it.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32243638]But beyond CPS doing their jobs better, how would you recommend preventing things like this from happening?[/QUOTE] obviously in the human race you'll have outliers and blips to the norm, which is why this is a news story; its one in a billion and so socially there isn't much you can do- but as i said, CPS is in place to stop this thing from happening in the first place and it's therefore their responsibility to stop it. ...especially if they have her on file.

And yet there are people opposed to the death penalty. This woman is a prime example of the kind of tumors that are long overdue to be removed from our society.