'it's okay to be racist if there are a lot of racists' what
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[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44970267]You're right. They should be smart enough to control what they say when their brains are degenerating and they have severe dementia. How dare they not know what they're talking about![/QUOTE]
he isn't racist because of alzheimers, lol. he was racist long before then, and it has been a pretty consistent point in his career
[editline]1st June 2014[/editline]
you should be smart enough to not be racist, dementia or not. ;)
[QUOTE=innerfire34;44970269]he isn't racist because of alzheimers, lol. he was racist long before then, and it has been a pretty consistent point in his career
you should be smart enough to not be racist, dementia or not. ;)[/QUOTE]
I understand that, and I'm not saying it makes anything O.K., but if it turns out someone is only saying racist things due to having dementia, then I can't really fault them for it, even though it's not ok.
Also, saying that someone should "be smart enough not to be racist" when they have severe brain problems is a pretty ignorant thing to say. If their brains were working properly, they would be smart enough to not have dementia. It's also very disrespectful to anyone who has some form of dementia/alzhimers.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44970347]I understand that, and I'm not saying it makes anything O.K., but if it turns out someone is only saying racist things due to having dementia, then I can't really fault them for it, even though it's not ok.
Also, saying that someone should "be smart enough not to be racist" when they have severe brain problems is a pretty ignorant thing to say. If their brains were working properly, they would be smart enough to not have dementia. It's also very disrespectful to anyone who has some form of dementia/alzhimers.[/QUOTE]
yeah except he was very racist before this so i'm not really sure what you're on about
The true victims of society are old rich racist white men.
ps. i don't care if i'm disrespecting racist alzheimers patients when i say, 'they shouldn't have been racists'
[editline]1st June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Valnar;44970360]The true victims of society are old rich racist white men.[/QUOTE]
imagine if i get old and white and say racist things!! it just won't be fair!!
[QUOTE=innerfire34;44970357]yeah except he was very racist before this so i'm not really sure what you're on about[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about this situation, because he was racist very recently before this.
I was referring to this:
[QUOTE]no. there are still largely racist populations in the world and their fucking idiocy won't be any more acceptable in fifty years when they have alzheimers than it is today[/QUOTE]
It's not a black and white issue like you think it is. Mental illnesses complicates things and you can't simplify it down to "OMG RACIST!" You have to take every instance in a case by case basis. In this case, the guy truly is a racist and he should be criticized for it. But not every case is the same. Get what I'm trying to say now????
no? because in my hypothetical there they are racists fifty years before they have alzheimers?
[editline]1st June 2014[/editline]
i don't understand what kind of niche racism you are defending
if you are insane and have been a racist your whole life, you get a pass on the racism thing?
[QUOTE=innerfire34;44970481]no? because in my hypothetical there they are racists fifty years before they have alzheimers?[/QUOTE]
You clearly don't understand what a degenertative means, or what alzhiemers is, nor that people can change. Just because someone's racist doesn't mean they will always be racist.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44970547]You clearly don't understand what a degenertative means, or what alzhiemers is, nor that people can change. Just because someone's racist doesn't mean they will always be racist.[/QUOTE]
you clearly don't know how degenerative is spelled
[QUOTE=innerfire34;44970641]you clearly don't know how degenerative is spelled[/QUOTE]
Alright, reading your most recent edit, I see what you're talking about, and if they have been racist their whole life, then you would be right. But someone who learns that racism is bad and changes shouldn't be faulted if dementia causes them to revert back to their old racism.
My great uncle started doing that right before he died. When he would come back and we told him what he said, he felt so bad about it, but he didn't know what he was saying. he just thought he was back in the 40's. That nurse was so nice and explained to us that it wasn't necessarily his fault.
[QUOTE=MWSunder;44965225]It's a bad excuse, but that's how it is. It isn't acceptable to people today, but it was then. Of course you can look back on times like that from your current perspective and say it isn't acceptable, but if you were born in the same time as these bigoted old men and grew up in the same environment, you wouldn't think anything of it. It would just be your culture. In the audio, Sterling talks about how he has an image to maintain and a culture that he's a part of. Everyone he knows and associates with is a bigoted old man from a different time, and he is too. Racism is still a couple generations away from disappearing, and while it's unfortunate that they are stuck in their old beliefs, they do not deserve to be (metaphorically) lined up and shot for them.[/QUOTE]That does not make it ok, god damn. My grandmother has lived her entire life in Birmingham, Alabama, which was one of the worst centers for racism in the U.S. My cousin, her grand daughter, started dating a black guy about a year ago and my grandmother and many people on her side of the family lost it. She even admitted it was because he is black and used that exact same excuse "Well I just grew up in a different time." And now my cousin basically can't go to any family functions because of that. That is not ok.
Seriously, there is no excuse for racism and no conditions that make it acceptable, ever. It doesn't matter if it was acceptable 50 years ago or 200 years, it has never been and never will be good or excusable. Especially in the modern era where there is an almost unlimited availability of information and countless resources on the subject. Its not that they are incapable of changing their views or beliefs, they're not "stuck" they just refuse to change.
Its like making the argument "Well, someone owned slaves and grew up in a time where everyone owned slaves and it was acceptable, so we should just let them slide if they own a couple slaves because that just what it was like for them." Its complete garbage and provides no legitimate excuse.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44972211]My grandmother has lived her entire life in Birmingham, Alabama, which was one of the worst centers for racism in the U.S. My cousin, her grand daughter, started dating a black guy about a year ago and my grandmother and many people on her side of the family lost it. She even admitted it was because he is black and used that exact same excuse "Well I just grew up in a different time." And now my cousin basically can't go to any family functions because of that. That is not ok.[/QUOTE]
Well, good on her for being brave and going against her family's awful view on black people, despite the high risk of being massively shunned and ridiculed by a bunch of people in her area, so that she can be with a person she legitimately loves, but that doesn't mean you should expect people to be as brave to go against what may have been the entire society in the world in their perspective, especially with these risks and the fact that there's probably not anyone they're aware of and seem respectable such as yourself that would tell them that they shouldn't be held back by the world's cruel views no matter how extremely risky it is to do so.
But yeah, it would be nice if Sterling wasn't racist, and while there may have not been an internet back when racism was a popular thing, it does exist today and there's plenty of people on there who have pretty damn good reasons of opposing racism, so Sterling could easily change unless that previously popular opinion has really grown on him and wasn't just afraid of being seen as a "n***** lover" during the time where the apparent majority of the population strongly supported it.
Hell, I used to have to act like I hated bronys and "idiots" (By "idiots", I mean people who just so happen to not be very bright or annoying by FP's standards, not necessarily hateful or anything like that) due to the fear of being seen as something equivalent to a whiteknight for not exactly agreeing with the vocal majority.
[b]Edit[/b]: Holy shit, I just totally misinterpreted the point you were trying to make and thought you were trying to say "You don't have to be a robot and constantly follow your family's bad views" rather than "Using that excuse to justify racism isn't going to help anything if they're going to shove it down their children''s throats". Sorry about that.
Yeah, I agree that it's bullshit when families shove their views in their relative's faces as if they were pure, unquestionable facts. That's not something that should happen at all.
[QUOTE=AP Twitter]BREAKING: Judge rules against Clippers owner Donald Sterling, OKs sale of team to ex-Microsoft CEO.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://twitter.com/AP/status/493875782755033090[/url]
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;44959829]Who gives a fuck? You shouldnt be allowed to refuse business with someone because of their personal beliefs. Imagine if Sterling was outed as a Muslim. The NBA would be backtracking hard. We shouldnt take a different view to the law just because he believes in something socially acceptable.[/QUOTE]
if your personal beliefs involve racist thinking I sure as shit am going to refuse business with you and take it with someone else.
"Imagine if Sterling was outed as a Muslim."
Please don't compare a respectable belief to racial ignorance. I don't think you understand the difference if you think that is an applicable example.
I know extremely little about the NBA and it's problems but I very highly doubt that would have happened. I doubt the NBA would want to deal with people getting fussed over being racist, especially if he was a Muslim. Muslims love getting very pissed about stuff like that. Racists? No one takes racists seriously, like, ever.
I think we all misunderstood why he said what he did. I don't think he meant "Fuck the black guy but don't bring him to the game." It's much more likely he meant "You can do that stuff in private places, but don't bring him when you're with me."
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;45528457]I think we all misunderstood why he said what he did. I don't think he meant "Fuck the black guy but don't bring him to the game." It's much more likely he meant "You can do that stuff in private places, but don't bring him when you're with me."[/QUOTE]He has said plenty of racist shit before this particular incident. And further back, in his real estate work, he had quite nasty habit of discriminating against minorities which is exceptionally worse than just saying something racist.
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