• Tesla to charge fees to people who leave their car at a supercharger after its been fully charged
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You don't get rich by spending money you don't need to spend.
[QUOTE=Morgen;51541813]The battery should last long enough to run then HVAC for a long time. You could just charge it up again while you go eat breakfast, or use an AC charger somewhere. Tesloop are pretty much single handedly responsible for this change. It's a taxi service that uses Tesla's, but they would just block up all the stalls at multiple superchargers overnight.[/QUOTE] Of course, but that still means I'll have to charge again when I wake up, which means the charger could be populated or it could put me behind schedule. Plus there's not always parking around the charger. Small gripe in the long run I admit, but it was something I enjoyed. Tesloop is honestly retarded. A company whose entire business model is built around another company's good will - it's insane. I've met the kid who started it, he thinks he's the shit. They'll probably whine about it at first then just find shitty ways of skirting it, like just leaving it unplugged at the stall as mentioned.
This reminds me of the laundry room at the apartment I used to live in. People would walk away with their clothes drying in the machine, then after the dryer shut off it'd be another half hour before they came back to collect their stuff. If I needed to use a machine I gave people a 5 minute grace period then I dumped all their crap on the side and did my laundry. They should do something like that for people hogging the chargers.
40c per minute? Should be at least triple that. If you're going to be a selfish prick, the fine should be enough to actually create a dent in one's wallet.
also like to mention the fact hotels have supercharge stations too would suck to pass out while waiting for it to charge in your hotel room and you wake up to a few hundred dollar bill
[QUOTE=Wii60;51542230]also like to mention the fact hotels have supercharge stations too would suck to pass out while waiting for it to charge in your hotel room and you wake up to a few hundred dollar bill[/QUOTE] Usually hotels will just have destination chargers (regular AC chargers) rather than Superchargers. There's maybe a handful with actual Superchargers.
[QUOTE=LegoGuy;51541476]Other people already answered this, but you would have your car plugged in at home most of the time. It's fundamentally different than having to fuel up as your car (for most cases) will always be ready when you get up.[/QUOTE] A lot of housing layouts in the UK make home charging sometimes just impossible. Today is the first day in like 2 weeks i've actually managed to park within 5m of my front door [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] You're kinda fucked with home charging if you don't have a driveway
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51542419]A lot of housing layouts in the UK make home charging sometimes just impossible. Today is the first day in like 2 weeks i've actually managed to park within 5m of my front door [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] You're kinda fucked with home charging if you don't have a driveway[/QUOTE] Tesla is trialing something for this exact situation in the UK but we don't know what it is yet, all participants are under NDA.
[QUOTE=Wii60;51541054]whats stopping people from coming back to unplug it, but not leaving the space.[/QUOTE] They are self driving, right? You've been charged a fee for us activating the self driver and moving your car out of the space.
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;51542440]They are self driving, right? You've been charged a fee for us activating the self driver and moving your car out of the space.[/QUOTE] No, they aren't. Cars coming off the line the past couple of months have the hardware for it, but the software isn't done yet. Previously they had Autopilot which is only really reliable in one direction, and before that there's a lot of cars that had no autonomous features at all. In the future the cars capable of self driving probably will move themselves.
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;51542440]They are self driving, right? You've been charged a fee for us activating the self driver and moving your car out of the space.[/QUOTE] due to legal limitations and software limitations, no. once theres enough self-learning tesla cars on the road that learn how to drive from people that use them and then proper legal shit goes thru that lets them drive on the road, then it will be able.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51541422]Not long, as it turns out: "they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%." ~Wikipedia[/QUOTE] the car charges faster than my phone
Update from Musk: [Media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/810135528783937537[/media] Should fix Casey's issue.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51541361]Why not have the charger force the car to move automatically and park like 15ft away in the supercharge station[/QUOTE] that long cord thingy. the snake charger is cool but not quite practical yet for large scale instillation plus they need to make sure their stations have checks on them to allow the car to do that
[QUOTE=Supacasey;51541662]Literally days before I leave for a roadtrip, fuck me. I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously this is good for dense urban areas, but honestly 99% of superchargers don't have this problem. When I was driving across the country I'd stay plugged in overnight with the HVAC on and just sleep in the car in rural areas, and I'd rarely even see another Tesla. I've only been to two superchargers that regularly have lines; Mountain View and Burbank.[/QUOTE] Why don't you just do what everyone else that goes on roadtrips do and rent a motel room? After all with all the money you'll be saving on gas it shouldn't be a problem. And if it is then you really can't afford the roadtrip after all can you? [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=aznz888;51541935]the tesla model S is a $68,000 - $72,000 car. while that's not cheap by any means, it's also far from being a supreme luxury vehicle. the problem you describe might apply to people who feel overentitled to their money, but this would be the exception rather than the norm. I'd assume(and don't quote me on this, just my 2 cents) that most Tesla owners wouldn't be very happy about being charged $24/hr for leaving their car parked at a charging station. That's about an entire day's worth of parking in the most expensive cities in the U.S.(New York and San Francisco come to mind).[/QUOTE] If they don't want to pay $24/hr then they should move their car once it's done charging so they're not taking up a space. Superchargers aren't parking spaces they're a [I]free convenience[/I] offered by Tesla that they don't at all have to offer, and it's well within their rights to charge people a parking fee if they're going to park at a charging station and block it from being used.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51543136]Why don't you just do what everyone else that goes on roadtrips do and rent a motel room? After all with all the money you'll be saving on gas it shouldn't be a problem. And if it is then you really can't afford the roadtrip after all can you? [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] If they don't want to pay $24/hr then they should move their car once it's done charging so they're not taking up a space. Superchargers aren't parking spaces they're a [I]free convenience[/I] offered by Tesla that they don't at all have to offer, and it's well within their rights to charge people a parking fee if they're going to park at a charging station and block it from being used.[/QUOTE] That's a hell of a stab at the guy for what, not wanting to waste money on a room if he doesn't have to? ps most of the road trips I've been on either have me bumming at a guys house or sleeping in the car, it's not that we're poor (the fucker drives a Tesla, he's probably better off than either of us), it's that were practical. Besides, Musk just solved his issue so... I guess you're just wrong
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51543827]That's a hell of a stab at the guy for what, not wanting to waste money on a room if he doesn't have to? ps most of the road trips I've been on either have me bumming at a guys house or sleeping in the car, it's not that we're poor (the fucker drives a Tesla, he's probably better off than either of us), it's that were practical. Besides, Musk just solved his issue so... I guess you're just wrong[/QUOTE] there's nothing wrong with being frugal and/or sleeping in your car. The problem is when that behavior impacts other people. It's all well and good to save your own money but if you're taking up a much needed space just so you don't have to recharge your car in the morning while you eat breakfast, you're in the wrong no matter what way you spin it. If the supercharger is deserted sure it's harmless but what if it's not? What if it gets busy?
[QUOTE=OvB;51542001]You don't get rich by spending money you don't need to spend.[/QUOTE] Yeah, most of the time you're just born that way.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51541422]Not long, as it turns out: "they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%." ~Wikipedia[/QUOTE] Oof, that's still a long way off of the convenience of gas. Hopefully the tech keeps improving and they can get it down to some ridiculously high speed. I'd hate having to wait over an hour at a charging station to go on a road trip if I hypothetically was running really low.
[QUOTE=Supacasey;51541687]The point in staying plugged in with the HVAC on is so it trickle charges as necessary overnight. Kinda makes it so I can't stay charged overnight anymore.[/QUOTE] That sounds pretty selfish of you and you seem like the exact person this is trying to combat. [editline]18th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Supacasey;51542052]Of course, but that still means I'll have to charge again when I wake up, which means [b]the charger could be populated[/b] or it could put me behind schedule. Plus there's not always parking around the charger. Small gripe in the long run I admit, but it was something I enjoyed. [/QUOTE] If the charger "could be populated" when you wake up, that means your car would have been [b]actively blocking other people from charging[/b] while you're asleep. If it's not populated, then you can just charge your car.
[QUOTE=geel9;51548591]That sounds pretty selfish of you and you seem like the exact person this is trying to combat. [editline]18th December 2016[/editline] If the charger "could be populated" when you wake up, that means your car would have been [b]actively blocking other people from charging[/b] while you're asleep. If it's not populated, then you can just charge your car.[/QUOTE] Except Tesla has an exception for exactly his kind of situation, ergo quit being a dick
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51548696]Except Tesla has an exception for exactly his kind of situation, ergo quit being a dick[/QUOTE] Yes, and that helps his situation quite a bit, but he literally confessed to the fact that he expected to be taking up supercharger spaces overnight when he complained about the fact that the supercharger might be full when he wakes up.
[QUOTE=gk99;51548578]Oof, that's still a long way off of the convenience of gas. Hopefully the tech keeps improving and they can get it down to some ridiculously high speed. I'd hate having to wait over an hour at a charging station to go on a road trip if I hypothetically was running really low.[/QUOTE] Battery tech is constantly improving, I'm sure we'll see faster times soon enough.
Oh damn, I've been caught, I'm nothing but a charger hog. "Populated" means other people are present but the station isn't full. If I stay plugged in and trickle charge, that means I'm putting a constant but very low draw on the charger. If other people show up and plug in, I won't affect their charge speed nor will they affect mine. If I charge, leave, deplete my charge overnight, then plug back in to a populated charger, I add a large and immediate draw to the array which affects everyone's charge times. Everyone would have to wait longer. The "sleep as you charge" method of road-tripping in a Tesla is a well known and widely used part of ownership, which is exactly why Elon tweaked the new policy. Try again. [SP]And no, I never admitted to expecting a charger I sleep at to be full. Slow your roll.[/SP]
[QUOTE=Supacasey;51555089]Oh damn, I've been caught, I'm nothing but a charger hog. "Populated" means other people are present but the station isn't full. If I stay plugged in and trickle charge, that means I'm putting a constant but very low draw on the charger. If other people show up and plug in, I won't affect their charge speed nor will they affect mine. If I charge, leave, deplete my charge overnight, then plug back in to a populated charger, I add a large and immediate draw to the array which affects everyone's charge times. Everyone would have to wait longer. The "sleep as you charge" method of road-tripping in a Tesla is a well known and widely used part of ownership, which is exactly why Elon tweaked the new policy. Try again. [SP]And no, I never admitted to expecting a charger I sleep at to be full. Slow your roll.[/SP][/QUOTE] If this isn't backpedaling, then your original word choice was rather poor, don't you think? It's kind of one or the other.
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