Microsoft confirms Windows Update will be mandatory for Windows 10 Home
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[QUOTE=Buck.;48236876]I'm gonna fucking bomb Microsoft if the windows updates force restart my computer again.
What bullshit feature is that, it closes off everything that you have open to restart your computer and postponing doesn't even work.[/QUOTE]
Really sucks when you're working or gaming or watching something and it decides it needs to reboot and then just does it. No idea why they thought it was a good idea to have that.
Since updates will now get pushed to insiders weeks in advanced for testing there shouldn't be updates that'll mess up Windows for home users. Even though that was already extremely rare.
[QUOTE=reedbo;48236810]Anyone complaining about updates automatically installing is an luser who doesn't install updates in the first place. I hope you guys realize that the updates are for stability and security patches. You wouldn't be interrupted if you would just click install when they pop up and prompt you the first time. No one is doing time-sensitive work all the time, you have an opportunity to update and you're lying if you say you don't.[/QUOTE]
So I'm a 'luser' for not wanting to install broken third party software through Windows Update?
Thanks, you're just as bad as the people who compare us to anti-vaccination people, someone who doesn't read and just comments directly talking shit about people with valid complaints, your post is useless, wasted space.
[QUOTE=Panda X;48236904]Since updates will now get pushed to insiders weeks in advanced for testing there shouldn't be updates that'll mess up Windows for home users. Even though that was already extremely rare.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter for third-party software, that'll continue to happen and they took away the only means to avoid it, now we're suppose to fix it after they broke something.
Holy shit, the moment I type a response about how people are actually effected by these updates (I'm rendering a video in After Effects in the background), Windows 8.1 displays a countdown timer saying I have 10 minutes to finish shit before everything automatically restarts without my permission out of the blue.
What great timing!
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;48236871]I'm sorry, but what? From your first sentence to your last, you hardly make any sense.
You wrongly assume that just because someone wants to delay an update to a later time, that they "don't install updates in the first place".
People already get that updates are for stability and security patches. This doesn't need to be reiterated.
And what do you mean "no one is doing time-sensitive work all the time"? Are you seriously using that assumption to justify the inability to delay an update to a later time when you're less busy?[/QUOTE]
When are you too busy to turn your machine off at night? Clearly you don't understand how important your operating systems security is when you're advocating postponing updates. Do you think organizations with a structured IT team postpone updates long enough to cause problems?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48236865]I have an opportunity and that is at my controlled time and date. On 8 it will just give you a timer and reboot with no questions asked unless you disable that annoying feature. And if youre playing in fullscreen you won't even see the warning and it will just reboot while you're ingame. Why take away the choice for something like this? There is no logical reason. What if my pc is rendering something? I can't pause that. But no, it will reboot anyway because it doesn't give a fuck. Quite frankly forced updates is a stupid system and benefits only those people who use their pc for nothing but casual internet browsing.
The fact that we have to look up tutorials on how to do registry hacks to disable this stupid shit is just bad. It should be a simple tickbox under advanced settings. It's not something super dangerous that you need to remove completely.[/QUOTE]
If you don't realize the importance of windows updates then you need automatic updating. It's as simple as that. On windows 8 you have 48 hours to install the updates before it does anything automatically, that's plenty of time to set aside an opportunity to restart your machine. If it's such an issue then maybe you should roll back to windows 7, because you clearly don't care about your security. Forced updates benefits everyone who doesn't think updates aren't important enough to install them promptly. It doesn't take six hours to maintain the critical software on your machine. I bet you also ignore java when it prompts for updates too. Why would you start something like a render when you know your OS needs to install an update? I've never had an issue with Windows interrupting my work because I install updates as soon as they're available.
[QUOTE=TDocter;48236908]Doesn't matter for third-party software, that'll continue to happen and they took away the only means to avoid it, now we're suppose to fix it after they broke something.[/QUOTE]
You're assuming MS will forcibly ship third party software. They have no reason to do so, the entire point of "forced updates" is to ensure that the OS security holes are actually patched up, and that everybody is on level ground. Third party software doesn't fall into that.
My understanding of this (and the only reasonable method I could see them implementing) would be that they ship the recommended updates out, hotfixes, the anti-malware tool (you don't even notice this thing running unless you're on a PIII or something). Drivers and software updates have always fallen into the optional updates category.
[QUOTE=TDocter;48236908]So I'm a 'luser' for not wanting to install broken third party software through Windows Update?
Thanks, you're just as bad as the people who compare us to anti-vaccination people, someone who doesn't read and just comments directly talking shit about people with valid complaints, your post is useless, wasted space.
Doesn't matter for third-party software, that'll continue to happen and they took away the only means to avoid it, now we're suppose to fix it after they broke something.[/QUOTE]
Complaining about windows updates isn't a valid complaint, it's part of the OS, if it's an issue then roll-back to windows 7. I'm not comparing anyone to anti-vax'ers you're the one that brought that up. There is no valid reason to not install updates other than "I don't think they're important enough to save my work and reboot my machine".
[QUOTE=reedbo;48236962]When are you too busy to turn your machine off at night? Clearly you don't understand how important your operating systems security is when you're advocating postponing updates. Do you think organizations with a structured IT team postpone updates long enough to cause problems?
If you don't realize the importance of windows updates then you need automatic updating. It's as simple as that. On windows 8 you have 48 hours to install the updates before it does anything automatically, that's plenty of time to set aside an opportunity to restart your machine. If it's such an issue then maybe you should roll back to windows 7, because you clearly don't care about your security. Forced updates benefits everyone who doesn't think updates aren't important enough to install them promptly. It doesn't take six hours to maintain the critical software on your machine. I bet you also ignore java when it prompts for updates too. Why would you start something like a render when you know your OS needs to install an update? I've never had an issue with Windows interrupting my work because I install updates as soon as they're available.[/QUOTE]
Have you honestly been reading the thread at all? You keep spouting the same thing and claiming "anyone who has problems with this doesn't care about security lol".
What am I supposed to do about a 4 day 3DS Max render or a game server that is constantly up and running? You seem to assume that the only use of a computer is when you're sitting in front of it and you don't seem to consider much else.
[QUOTE=reedbo;48236981]Complaining about windows updates isn't a valid complaint, it's part of the OS, if it's an issue then roll-back to windows 7. I'm not comparing anyone to anti-vax'ers you're the one that brought that up. There is no valid reason to not install updates other than "I don't think they're important enough to save my work and reboot my machine".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48236965]You're assuming MS will forcibly ship third party software. They have no reason to do so, the entire point of "forced updates" is to ensure that the OS security holes are actually patched up, and that everybody is on level ground. Third party software doesn't fall into that.
My understanding of this (and the only reasonable method I could see them implementing) would be that they ship the recommended updates out, hotfixes, the anti-malware tool (you don't even notice this thing running unless you're on a PIII or something). Drivers and software updates have always fallen into the optional updates category.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't able to block ELAN from installing software on my laptop, that was 2-3 days ago, screwed up the sensitivity of my touchpad, it's been doing that for ages but with W7 to W8.1 I was able to block them from doing so.
Nor will I be able to with realtek's driver on my 2 year old laptop, which breaks my audio.
What you all don't seem to realize is that third-party companies have been allowed to ship broken software through Windows Update for a long time, in the past we were able to block this and let our systems run probably, now we can't.
That's a problem.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;48237003]Have you honestly been reading the thread at all? You keep spouting the same thing and claiming "anyone who has problems with this doesn't care about security lol".
What am I supposed to do about a 4 day 3DS Max render or a game server that is constantly up and running? You seem to assume that the only use of a computer is when you're sitting in front of it and you don't seem to consider much else.[/QUOTE]
Don't use windows or just unplug it from the internet. If uptime is mission critical then you need to use an OS that isn't meant for consumers. Especially when you think getting a zero day rootkit is easier to deal with than installing updates.
[QUOTE=reedbo;48237021]Don't use windows or just unplug it from the internet. If uptime is mission critical then you need to use an OS that isn't meant for consumers. Especially when you think getting a zero day rootkit is easier to deal with than installing updates.[/QUOTE]
Don't use the OS you need for certain software to run, makes sense.
Apparently we're all rich and can afford a professional version of Windows just to block something simple, something so simple that they didn't exclude it before.
[QUOTE=TDocter;48237029]Don't use the OS you need for certain software to run, makes sense.
Apparently we're all rich and can afford a professional version of Windows just to block something simple, something so simple that they didn't exclude it before.[/QUOTE]
I guess that if you're so smart you can follow every soon to be tutorial on the web about modifying your registry to turn off forced updates. Which in that case you really have nothing to complain about.
I still haven't seen anything regarding windows 10 on my windows 7 computer
[QUOTE=daigennki;48235914]Screw this, I'm not even gonna upgrade to Windows 10.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this is not a valid reason to not get Windows 10. Seriously, updates are pretty important and you can set updates to only happen when you're least likely to use your comp i.e 3:30am.
[QUOTE=reedbo;48237046]I guess that if you're so smart you can follow every soon to be tutorial on the web about modifying your registry to turn off forced updates. Which in that case you really have nothing to complain about.[/QUOTE]
That's acceptable for software that costs 100-150 euro's?
I sure as hell don't think so.
And if you read correctly, which you didn't, you'd know I don't want to block every single update, just those who fuck with my system.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;48237062]Yeah, this is not a valid reason to not get Windows 10. Seriously, updates are pretty important and you can set updates to only happen when you're least likely to use your comp i.e 3:30am.[/QUOTE]
Another person who didn't read.
I don't see how "don't use Windows if you don't like update the very second it asks" is applicable when the program you need to run doesn't run stable enough on Wine in Linux.
Updates that you can't delay past 48 hours is a shoddy move and you're trying too hard if you are honestly trying to justify that for all situations.
[QUOTE=TDocter;48237067]That's acceptable for software that costs 100-150 euro's?
I sure as hell don't think so.
And if you read correctly, which you didn't, you'd know I don't want to block every single update, just those who fuck with my system.
Another person who didn't read.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point, "just those who fuck with my system". You mean the critical security and stability updates? What is your argument even? I payed for this software let me do what I want with it? It's Microsoft's OS and if they want to force OS improvements and security through updates then so be it. I don't see what your getting at because there's no excuse for not installing updates. If you can afford 3DS max and you work with it professionally then you can afford a version of windows that allows disabling forced updates.
You want an option to update and restart when you want instead of when windows says? You must not care about security.
I'm sorry, what now? How does any logical being come to a conclusion like that? Or did I miss the fad of things being forced on you being good now?
[QUOTE=reedbo;48237116]Exactly my point, "just those who fuck with my system". You mean the critical security and stability updates? What is your argument even? I payed for this software let me do what I want with it? It's Microsoft's OS and if they want to force OS improvements and security through updates then so be it. [B]I don't see what your getting at because there's no excuse for not installing updates.[/B][/QUOTE]
Except for the ones you keep blatantly ignoring.
Just be honest, why are you defending this?
No one said you won't install these updates. Just NOT FUCKING NOW WINDOWS!
[QUOTE=reedbo;48237116]Exactly my point, "just those who fuck with my system". You mean the critical security and stability updates? What is your argument even? I payed for this software let me do what I want with it? It's Microsoft's OS and if they want to force OS improvements and security through updates then so be it. I don't see what your getting at because there's no excuse for not installing updates.[/QUOTE]
Broken third party software are OS improvements?
I'm done, you're a perfect example of people who didn't read any of the prior comments to understand why we're complaining. I can try to explain it more 10 more times, but you either don't understand or simply don't read at all.
Probably a side-effect of there being no ratings, people won't read comments that either don't have a gold member posting or don't have any ratings attached to them. It's useless to post here any further.
[QUOTE]people get beta updates early so that they can detect bad eggs before they release them to the world.[/QUOTE]
Chances of somebody having the exact same system as me that gets the same realtek driver as me that doesn't work properly are small, even smaller in the insider program.
[QUOTE=TDocter;48237067]That's acceptable for software that costs 100-150 euro's?
I sure as hell don't think so.
And if you read correctly, which you didn't, you'd know I don't want to block every single update, just those who fuck with my system.
Another person who didn't read.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't replying directly to you, but I'll respond to you anyway:
I understand why you would want to not update, but I thought this forced update system was only for security fixes/new features/stability, and not for drivers (which you seem to be having issues with.) Also, like I said earlier in the thread, people get beta updates early so that they can detect bad eggs before they release them to the world.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;48237127]Except for the ones you keep blatantly ignoring.
Just be honest, why are you defending this?[/QUOTE]
Because it's stupid to think that your work is more important than your security.
[editline]18th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=TDocter;48237144]Broken third party software are OS improvements?
I'm done, you're a perfect example of people who didn't read any of the prior comments to understand why we're complaining. I can try to explain it more 10 more times, but you either don't understand or simply don't read at all.[/QUOTE]
Where did you read that forced updates are being used for third-party software?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48237139]No one said you won't install these updates. Just NOT FUCKING NOW WINDOWS![/QUOTE]
Nah man it's completely black and white. You either install updates or you don't. You either care about getting malware or you don't. If you don't install updates at the very moment Windows asks you, you're gonna get a virus! Ignore the fact that antivirus exists. You should be perfectly okay with Windows updates at the very moment it forces you to do so or else you just shouldn't care at all!
//sarcasm
Fucking seriously.
You're just trying to play devil's advocate for no other reason than to be [I]that[/I] guy, and ignore every valid point that comes your way.
[QUOTE=reedbo;48237150]Because it's stupid to think that your work is more important than your security.[/QUOTE]
In most cases, yes yes my work is actually a ton more important than security a windows update can provide.
[QUOTE=reedbo;48237150]Where did you read that forced updates are being used for third-party software?[/QUOTE]
Just.. fucking.. read, I couldn't block ELAN software through Windows Update while I could in the past, it's happened to me, and I've gotten realtek updates through Windows Update which I also blocked in the past on my newer laptop, can't do that anymore once I upgrade to Windows 10.
It's not just me 'reading' something is wrong, I've experienced it.
IMO I don't think there will be many (if any) fucked up updates for Windows 10 because of this. I get the feeling that Microsoft will really QA their updates to prevent it happening.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;48237154]Nah man it's completely black and white. You either install updates or you don't. You either care about getting malware or you don't. If you don't install updates at the very moment Windows asks you, you're gonna get a virus! Ignore the fact that antivirus exists. You should be perfectly okay with Windows updates at the very moment it forces you to do so or else you just shouldn't care at all!
//sarcasm
Fucking seriously.[/QUOTE]
Windows 8 installs critical updates 48 hours after you've downloaded them. If that isn't enough time to set aside an opportunity to restart your machine then you really can't blame anyone but yourself when it restarts in the middle of your work.
I don't think I've ever seen the "hey I'm gonna restart unless you click this thing" prompt since I've installed Windows 8. I only ever see the warning when I enter the power menu that just tells you how many days you have until the OS will attempt to update during shut down.
So unless you don't shut your PC down for most of a week after an update, which the Home edition users it looks like this affects probably will be doing, the OS shouldn't be asking you to restart it. It will do it when you shut it down however.
Yep at this moment 3rd party drivers and shit are also forced and removing them only causes windows to reinstall them back.
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