• Policeman shoots suicidal man to save his life
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[QUOTE=binkow;44646564]Wow.. fucking police brutality. Why didn't they taze him!?[/QUOTE] Why didn't they all open fire at once. Oh yeah France I thought they were American.
A sniper rifle would probably have destroyed his entire leg :v:
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44646798]As such, the "sniper round" would probably be a .308 FMJ round, which wouldn't expand very much at all. It wouldn't destroy his leg by any means. [B]Punch a hole in it.. yes, but not destroy it.[/B][/QUOTE] Uhh no?.. you know when you get hit by a high powered rifle it does more than just blow a hole in someones leg. If that very high velocity slug hits bone its not going to break even, its going to shatter in a lot of pieces, it also causes what we call a temporary cavity, basically kinetic impact and oxygen being forced in to create a huge bubble of impact like this (which the round here shown is by all intents basically a .308): [video=youtube;sGYF8DTLcj4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGYF8DTLcj4[/video] That ballistic gel is equivalent to human flesh. And that in turn can cause what we call hydrostatic shock which is basically when that bubble of force encompasses a large blood artery it causes your blood pressure to spike because its being compressed, which can cause brain aneurysms and all sorts of fucked up shit. When you get hit by high powered rifles it fuck you up royally, there is a reason why he used the sub machine gun.
oh god when I read the title I thought the cop had to shoot the suicidal guy to save his own life like maybe the suicidal guy would fall on him or something
An... MP5 shot across the street using naked eye straight into the leg. Did they reincarnate Simo Hayha?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44647041]Yes, but if you read the graph that the video posted, the vast majority of that energy is imparted at 7 inches. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't have 7 inch thick thighs, or lower legs. It's so high energy that if you hit someone in the thigh, or even calf, it wouldn't cavitate NEARLY as badly as it does in that gel, because it's not going to spend nearly as long in the body, because the thigh isnt 10+ inches thick. We can argue all day about this though, because we're not going to know what the french police 9mm load is, nor are we going to know what their marksmanship load is. That being said, this guy's totally lucky that he wasn't hit anywhere vital, leg shots are pretty dangerous.[/QUOTE] No it would not nearly caviate as it would in the video but it will still none the less potentially cause hydrostatic shock and it will still caviate enough to do more than "just a hole" in someones leg as you said it would, not to mention if it did hit the skeletal structure over the 9mm it would do far more damage. But yeah he did get lucky it didn't hit anything vital though
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44647144]By the way, for future reference, the french use a 127gr 9mm +P JHP for their police and border agents. Can't find any good videos brand is: Speer Gold Dot 9mm. Apparently it's pretty wicked stuff.[/QUOTE] You sure it isn't 124 gr? I've never heard of 127 gr 9mm but the 124 gr load is pretty common.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44647041]Yes, but if you read the graph that the video posted, the vast majority of that energy is imparted at 7 inches. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't have 7 inch thick thighs, or lower legs. It's so high energy that if you hit someone in the thigh, or even calf, it wouldn't cavitate NEARLY as badly as it does in that gel, because it's not going to spend nearly as long in the body, because the thigh isnt 10+ inches thick. We can argue all day about this though, because we're not going to know what the french police 9mm load is, nor are we going to know what their marksmanship load is. That being said, this guy's totally lucky that he wasn't hit anywhere vital, leg shots are pretty dangerous.[/QUOTE] What the fuck, do you think the bullet just phases through the bones just because it's not 7 inch through yet? If you hit a bone, nearly ALL the energy is going to be transferred to the bone. It's going to either break it or get stuck, both cases will be fucking crippling.
[QUOTE=Covalency;44646130]video for those interested, should be put in OP; [video=youtube;XpQTAiPenxs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpQTAiPenxs[/video][/QUOTE] what the hell, I'm not saying that this is fake, but was this for a documentary or something? a lot of these shots are so convenient it almost feels orchestrated- do the french film their raids normally?
The Norwegian Army teaches that should someone be hit in the leg with a AG3 by accident, the cavitation would need to be filled with approximately eight field dressings, experience has shown it can be even worse than that. [editline]26th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=heathendevil;44647934]what the hell, I'm not saying that this is fake, but was this for a documentary or something? a lot of these shots are so convenient it almost feels orchestrated- do the french film their raids normally?[/QUOTE] It's watermarked with "La Brigade", so it's probably kinda like the TV show "Cops".
[QUOTE=heathendevil;44647934]what the hell, I'm not saying that this is fake, but was this for a documentary or something? a lot of these shots are so convenient it almost feels orchestrated- do the french film their raids normally?[/QUOTE] They actually do quite often, and the French anti-terrorism and armed intervention forces have cameras on their helmets I think. EDIT: La Brigade is also a show on the French channel TF1: [URL]http://www.tf1.fr/la-brigade/[/URL] "For the first time ever, the French Gendarmerie agreed to be filmed seven days a week, twenty-four hours a day, for an entire summer."
pretty much the ideal outcome to this kind of situation, handled really well also luck
[QUOTE=Covalency;44646130]video for those interested, should be put in OP; [video=youtube;XpQTAiPenxs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpQTAiPenxs[/video][/QUOTE]Oh man, I teared up a bit at the end there, she was so grateful
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;44646546]The gun in question: [IMG]http://gyazo.com/8cdea12a6ac7bb60b3a145e587e7a120.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] No silly, that's an ak47!
[QUOTE=binkow;44646564]Wow.. fucking police brutality. Why didn't they taze him!?[/QUOTE] Should've tazed the gun.
If this happened here, the cop would've gotten jailed. I'm serious.
[QUOTE=Swamplord;44648442]No silly, that's an ak47![/QUOTE] Nah man, clearly a Uzi assault rifle.
[QUOTE=darunner;44646082]The MP5 is pretty easy to shoot, actually. Pistol caliber catridge in a heavy gun. Me shooting one full auto in December: [video=youtube;jLzXAH5xQg0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLzXAH5xQg0[/video][/QUOTE] [I][HEAVY BREATHING][/I]
[QUOTE=rider695;44646106]Why does the police sniper get an mp5 to work with? Wouldn't it be more logical giving him a rifle?[/QUOTE] It's fairly accurate in the ranges that you'll usually find in inner cities, but I'm guessing he wasn't a dedicated marksman, but just the best shot in the group so he got put there for this mission.
[QUOTE=JDER14;44646060]Holy shit.[/QUOTE] It's a pretty accurate gun - Just happens to lack punch at long range, which is why it's classed as an SMG.
i think a lot of people here are biased from playing so many video games. guns like the MP5 are inaccurate in video games for balance reason, not to realistically represent what the gun is actually like
[QUOTE=.Lain;44650343]i think a lot of people here are biased from playing so many video games. guns like the MP5 are inaccurate in video games for balance reason, not to realistically represent what the gun is actually like[/QUOTE] are you telling me video games don't always portray reality??!
[QUOTE=.Lain;44650343]i think a lot of people here are biased from playing so many video games. guns like the MP5 are inaccurate in video games for balance reason, not to realistically represent what the gun is actually like[/QUOTE] Well, most games don't realistically depict shooting too well.. Normally a half a mag of some AK rounds would rip a man to pieces. Let alone in BF4 where you can survive some 20mm rounds to your body from tanks or AA.
don't get me wrong, i [I]like[/I] that balance in videogames. i don't want to be torn apart by an ak instantly, because that isn't any fun. just saying that a few people are a little bit biased from it
Maybe this guy made the shot because not all real weapons shoot like their video game counterparts?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44650973]No, I think they aren't very accurate because they have an 8.55 inch barrel, and fire a cartridge designed to engage targets within ~50 meters. Within those 50 meters it's going to be pretty accurate considering its heavy, and more controlled than a pistol, but after that it's going to take more skill to land a successful hit.[/QUOTE] Unless you're using a compact conceal carry 9mm, that's simply not true. There's countless videos of people hitting targets out to 100 meters with full sized pistols and carbines, and i've even done it myself without much difficulty, and i'm not a particularly skilled shooter. [video=youtube;GmMEg4y54Dk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMEg4y54Dk[/video] A very skilled shooter can even hit targets with a compact 9mm out to long range, but its minute-of-angle is so high you're basically hitting anywhere randomly on the target at best, and the rainbow trajectory would be very difficult to compensate for. Plus I think you're missing his point. Compared to assault and battle rifles (which typically have effective ranges in excess of 300-500 meters) an MP5's 100-200 meter effective range doesn't sound like much, but compared to their so commonly depicted effective range of [I]fifty feet[/I] in video games, it's vastly more accurate.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44646798]As such, the "sniper round" would probably be a .308 FMJ round, which wouldn't expand very much at all. It wouldn't destroy his leg by any means. Punch a hole in it.. yes, but not destroy it.[/QUOTE] there's been evidence that rifle bullet impacts can cause traumatic brain injuries via hydrostatic shock, even if the bullet didn't impact that close to the brain so really, they'd be an awful choice if you're attempting to do something that doesn't involve killing or permanently disabling the person [QUOTE=Unit-05;44646949]That ballistic gel is equivalent to human flesh.[/QUOTE] keep in mind that ballistic gel has some similar properties to human muscle tissue, but it doesn't completely model human flesh
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44651381]Note how I didn't say "impossible" I said it's going to take more skill to execute said attack, than if it was within 50 meters. Within 50 meters 9mm's trajectory is relatively flat, beyond that you begin to have to arc it, considering the MP5's standard sights don't allow for you to adjust for elevation, it's more difficult than if it was within the 50 meters that the cartridge and weapon were designed to engage targets in.[/QUOTE] The drop wont be a problem if you're aiming at a vertical target instead of a dot. Hitting anywhere in his lower body would do the trick, so this isn't a particulary difficult task. And no shit it's going to require skill, that's why it was done by a professional instead of someone who is a selfdeclared expert because they own a gun.
"let's argue about the very specific details of the guns and stroke our dicks with rifle barrels instead of discussing anything else"
[QUOTE=sambooo;44651968]"let's argue about the very specific details of the guns and stroke our dicks with rifle barrels instead of discussing anything else"[/QUOTE] "let's point out that we don't want to participate in a particular discussion without actually parttaking in another"
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