10 key reasons why the Obama presidency continues to melt down - Polidicks

I stopped reading at 2, because he said S&P blamed Obama. If this blogger had read the report, he'd note that S&P put near full blame on the Republicans.

[QUOTE=Reimu;31616621]I don't know. Mitt Romney stayed clear of this entire deficit problem, and he seems Presidential compared to everyone in existance in the GOP right about now. He literally has to sit on his ass for the next 6 months and he's got a hot chance of winning the nomination, so long as GOP pragmatists speak out against Tea Partiers.[/QUOTE] The media practically demonizes "normal" politicians these days. They pose a bigger threat to Romney than any of the Tea Party candidates.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31616945]For his first two years in office, there was a unified government. He was able to pass a lot of things that weren't too thrilling for us Republicans, to say the least. I'd imagine a lot of Democrats felt the same way during Bush's first few years in office.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. Bush's things he passed, like the Patriot Act, creation of the DHS, and all that jazz, was also opposed by many Republicans. While Obama did get [i]some[/i] things through, all of them I can recall have come with 60% of what he and democrats wanted cut out because of forced compromise with democrats. You didn't see this nearly as much during Bush's first term. I don't believe either was out of control by any means, but I do believe both were incorrect in how they handled issues, what they ended up passing, and what issues were seen as important. I'm no fan of either, but trying to say that Obama got 'alot' through without taking the best chunks out of everything he tried to pass is really not exactly true. Democrats were lucky they got anything major through.

[QUOTE=amute;31616977]Then Republicans went insane and said no to abso-fucking-lutely everything. Yeah, your party is fucking retarded and needs to die. Glad you follow them blindly.[/QUOTE] I don't follow them blindly. I'm socially liberal, and I didn't like the Bush administration. Can we stop with the insults?

i tried to reply to the article but this is someone who obviously knows absolutely nothing, quoting polls that don't even support his conclusions and making strong-willed remarks that amount to "GGR OBAMA". [editline]8th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617043] I'm socially liberal[/QUOTE] really?

[QUOTE=tinhead50;31617013]I stopped reading at 2, because he said S&P blamed Obama. If this blogger had read the report, he'd note that S&P put near full blame on the Republicans.[/QUOTE] S&P specifically said the Republicans were a major factor, if not the biggest, for why we are having a shit economy by preventing revenue increases, but also criticized the democrats for not cutting entitlements and preventing the issue int he first place, and called out both parties for basically being fucking economically stupid and ideologically-driven. They did blame Obama, they just didn't put as much influence on him as they did the shortcoming of the republicans.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617043]I don't follow them blindly. I'm socially liberal, and I didn't like the Bush administration. Can we stop with the insults?[/QUOTE] i don't understand how you can be socially liberal but support the republicans & tea party when they've proven they're pretty much against anything remotely socially liberal. sure you support their fiscal ideals, but does that justify supporting all their other shit?

[QUOTE=thisispain;31617054]really?[/QUOTE] I was a Social Conservative, but I switched sides. I'm still fiscally right-wing, which makes a Libertarian instead of a Conservative.

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;31616946]where is glaber when you need him[/QUOTE] I half expected this thread to be made by him. [quote]8. The Tea Party has been a stunning success No article on Barack Obama’s stunning decline would be complete without mention of the Tea Party, which has been undoubtedly the most influential US political movement of the decade. The Tea Party’s relentless rise played a key role in sparking the conservative revolution that swept Capitol Hill last November, and has played a major role in setting the agenda when it came to the heated debates over government spending this summer. Were it not for the Tea Party, it is likely that the budget deficit would not be the central issue it is today, and federal spending would have remained a largely inside the beltway debate instead of the talk of dinner tables across America. A truly grassroots movement has succeeded in a short period of time in humbling a presidency, and challenging the status quo on Capitol Hill.[/quote] unfortunately, the Tea Party has had quite a influence on the Republicans, making them more extreme. I feel sorry for the U.S though, the two-party system is a real piece of shit.

Ridge you are usually one of the better conservative posters. I am disappoint.

[quote]Huge increases in government spending, massive federal bailouts, growing regulations on businesses, thinly veiled protectionism[/quote] gee sounds familiar [quote]Washington’s approach towards the war in Libya has been a sea of dithering and contradiction, with no discernible end goal in sight. [/quote] gee sounds familiar [quote]This is a rigidly ideological presidency with a distinctly left-wing vision and agenda.[/quote] I'm sure alot more who voted for him would be happy if this were the case. [quote]A majority of Americans still reject Obamacare[/quote] other than choosing a candidate, and choosing a leader of two candidates, when did a majority of people wanting something ever influence anything in American politics? [quote]The Obama presidency looks increasingly out of touch with the American people[/quote] no shit it's called an oligarchy for a reason. how many poor, poorly educated people become presidents (shh carter doesn't count) [quote]Conservatism is growing stronger in America[/quote] you mean social conservatism, economically republicans and democrats are different sides of the same coin [quote]The Tea Party’s relentless rise played a key role in sparking the conservative revolution that swept Capitol Hill last November, and has played a major role in setting the agenda when it came to the heated debates over government spending this summer. A truly grassroots movement has succeeded in a short period of time in humbling a presidency, and challenging the status quo on Capitol Hill.[/quote] revolution? What revolution? you mean disagreeing with anything the obama administration does? how is it that a revolution? a astroturfed movement, you mean. challenging the status quo? I think perhaps you mean "co-opted and manipulated like most other movements, retaining the status quo but updating the rhetoric" instead. [quote] His actions today are symbolic of a White House that increasingly looks bitter, crass and petty[/quote] Wait, I'm sorry, I forgot who this was directed to? I suppose that's what happened you use a criticism that can be leveled at every other politician. [quote]The liberal elites are turning on the president[/quote] But I thought that the Obama administration was "a rigidly ideological presidency with a distinctly left-wing vision and agenda." I suppose 9 key reasons why blah blah blah doesn't have the same weight. Shit article ridge, I expected better.

[QUOTE=Billiam;31617177]Ridge you are usually one of the better conservative posters. I am disappoint.[/QUOTE] I'm not surprised, really. Ever since I debated him over Iran's nuclear program back in 2008, I believe, where he stopped responding to my counter arguments, and how he never responds to my counter arguments now anymore either, I've never really liked him. He seems to post something, and then when someone points out a fallacy or a counter-point, he ignores it and acts like it's not there. When he seemingly can't defend himself, he mysteriously disappears from discussions. Glaber is also similar, or so it seems from the debt discussion threads. Boba_Fett and [sluggo] I do have respect for, because you can at least discuss with them.

Liberals don't realize what they post is also biased.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617148]I was a Social Conservative, but I switched sides. I'm still fiscally right-wing, which makes a Libertarian instead of a Conservative.[/QUOTE] really? do you support affirmative action?

[QUOTE=NotoriousSpy;31617295]Liberals don't realize what they post is also biased.[/QUOTE] but we do realize that you obviously didn't read any of this thread

One thing that bothers me on this thread is how intolerant people are over someone's political views. If you disagree with someone, then back your views up with facts, rather than condescending bullshit. Just my two cents.

lol fiscally right wing doesn't make you a libertarian it just means spending money on war and keeping drugs illegal and giant border walls

[QUOTE=NotoriousSpy;31617295]Liberals don't realize what they post is also biased.[/QUOTE] No shit dickhead there's bias and then there's fox news

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;31617019]The media practically demonizes "normal" politicians these days. They pose a bigger threat to Romney than any of the Tea Party candidates.[/QUOTE] I don't know, he was an important character in 2008 and he didn't get that much flak at all. He said a quick piece about the debt ceiling bill, and practically no one is talking about it. And that works perfectly for him, because it gives him room to court the independents. And, unless someone else appears in a matter of months, he's the only serious candidate the GOP has. I mean, the polls are very close nationally and state-wide, but generally speaking Romney has the lead. Any other Presidential contenders are just new candidates for the Tea Party - not the GOP as a whole - to look at (Perry, Palin, for instance). Therefore, that's just new candidates for the Tea Party to worry and campaign for as everyone else just sides with Romney.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31615780][release]In August last year I published [URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100050412/the-stunning-decline-of-barack-obama-10-key-reasons-why-the-obama-presidency-is-in-meltdown/"]a list of ten key reasons[/URL] why the Obama presidency was in serious decline. This is a sequel to that post, which was[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/review-of-the-year-2008/8223974/The-Telegraph-most-read-2010.html"] one of the most read pieces [/URL]on The Telegraph website in 2010. Twelve months on, the outlook continues to look exceedingly bleak for President Obama, with no sign of a recovery.July was the worst month for the Obama presidency since the November mid-terms which saw his party emphatically drubbed in Congressional elections across the country. The president hit an all-time low with[URL="http://www.gallup.com/poll/148739/Obama-Approval-Drops-New-Low.aspx"] a Gallup poll[/URL] at the end of the month giving him just 40 percent approval, with his rating among independents plummeting to just 34 percent. The outlook became even worse at the start of August, with dramatic falls in the stock market, and the historic decision by credit rating agency Standard and Poor’s to downgrade America’s debt. As the latest[URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html"] RealClear Politics average of polls [/URL]shows, less than a quarter of Americans believe the country is moving in the “right direction,” a damning indictment of the first 30 months of the Obama presidency. According to Rasmussen, that figure[URL="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track"] is as low as 14 percent[/URL], the lowest level of public confidence since November 2008. I’ve outlined below ten key reasons why the Obama presidency continues to flounder, after a very short-lived bounce in the spring. [B]1. Obama isn’t trusted on the economy[/B] A series of recent polls have demonstrated significant public discontent with President Obama on the economy, the number one issue for US voters. A[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_071711.html"] Washington Post/ABC News survey[/URL] in late July reported that 57 percent of Americans disapprove of Obama’s handling of the economy, 60 percent disapprove of his handling of the federal budget deficit, and 52 percent are unhappy with the president on job creation. A [URL="http://www.gallup.com/poll/148613/Economic-Confidence-Sinks-Lowest-Level-March.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=Business%20-%20Economy%20-%20USA"]July 21 poll for Gallup [/URL]showed US economic confidence plunging to its lowest level since March 2009, with just 26 percent of Americans saying the economy is “getting better.” According to Gallup, more than two thirds of Americans now say the economy is “getting worse.” The[URL="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/indexes/rasmussen_consumer_index/rasmussen_consumer_index"] latest Rasmussen survey [/URL]shows consumer confidence “just one point above the lowest levels of the last two years” with investor confidence “down nine points from a week ago, down 12 points from a month ago, and down 29 points from three months ago. Investor confidence has not been lower since March 13, 2009.” [B]2. Obama isn’t serious about the budget deficit[/B] That’s certainly the opinion of credit agency Standard and Poor’s, which downgraded America’s AAA credit rating for the first time in 70 years, in early August. As[URL="http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=12039"] the Congressional Budget Office revealed[/URL] in a January report, the deficits generated by the Obama administration are the largest since the end of World War Two, after two years of unchecked and out of control federal spending. And as I noted in [URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100099762/america%E2%80%99s-debt-downgrade-is-a-damning-indictment-of-president-obama%E2%80%99s-big-government-disaster/"]a piece on the S&P decision last week:[/URL] Since President Obama took office in January 2009, the United States has embarked on the most ambitious failed experiment in Washington meddling in US history. Huge increases in government spending, massive federal bailouts, growing regulations on businesses, thinly veiled protectionism, and the launch of a vastly expensive and deeply unpopular health care reform plan, have all combined to instill fear and uncertainty in the markets. [B]3. Obama’s foreign policy remains a weak-kneed and confusing mess[/B] US foreign policy under President Obama remains a staggering mess. With a policy of[URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100085078/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-leading-from-behind-foreign-policy-no-wonder-the-us-president-looks-weak-and-confused/"] “leading from behind”[/URL], Washington’s approach towards the war in Libya has been a sea of dithering and contradiction, with no discernible end goal in sight. The Obama administration has acted like a deer in the headlights in the face of momentous changes in the Middle East, and was caught napping by developments in both Egypt and Syria. In the face of the Iranian nuclear threat, the United States has been largely passive, content to pursue a foolhardy policy of engagement while Tehran edges closer to building a nuclear weapon. Over in Europe, the Russian reset has emboldened Moscow, while undermining key allies in eastern and central Europe. Obama has paid scant attention to the transatlantic alliance, [URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100088961/barack-obama-top-ten-insults-against-britain-2011-edition/"]weakening the Special Relationship with Britain[/URL], and sleepwalking while NATO declines. It is difficult to think of a US foreign policy that could be more ineffective that the one pursued by this administration, with the hardly surprising result that confidence in US leadership [URL="http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2059/-superpower-china-us-image-abroad-afghanistan-terrorism"]has dramatically fallen[/URL] across the world since Obama took office. [B]4. Independents are deserting the president[/B] In contrast to Bill Clinton, who moved to the centre after the emphatic Republican takeover of the House of Representatives in 1994, Barack Obama has shown little inclination to do so. This is a rigidly ideological presidency with a distinctly left-wing vision and agenda. Unsurprisingly, independents have been deserting Obama in droves, a huge cause for concern for the White House as it looks to November 2012. A [URL="http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx"]Gallup survey[/URL] at the end of July found just 37 percent of independents backing Obama, his lowest level of support from this group since he took office, a fall of ten points since the end of May, and down from 62 percent at the start of his presidency. A[URL="http://people-press.org/2011/07/28/obama-loses-ground-in-2012-reelection-bid/"] Pew Research Center survey[/URL], conducted in late July, also showed a dramatic drop in support for the president among registered independent voters, with significant implications for the presidential elections. As [URL="http://people-press.org/2011/07/28/obama-loses-ground-in-2012-reelection-bid/"]Pew noted in its report[/URL]: The sizeable lead Barack Obama held over a generic Republican opponent in polls conducted earlier this year has vanished as his support among independent voters has fallen off. Currently, 41% of registered voters say they would like to see Barack Obama reelected, while 40% say they would prefer to see a Republican candidate win in 2012. In May, Obama held an 11-point lead. This shift is driven by a steep drop-off in support for Obama among independents… just 31% of independent voters want to see Obama reelected, down from 42% in May and 40% in March. Where Obama held a slim 7-point edge among independent registered voters two months ago, a generic Republican holds an 8-point edge today. [B]5. A majority of Americans still reject Obamacare[/B] President Obama has stubbornly refused to back down over his hugely costly health care reform plans, commonly dubbed “Obamacare”, despite significant public opposition to them. In many ways, Obamacare is a political albatross around Obama’s neck as he heads towards 2012. [URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html"]TheRealClear Politics average[/URL] for May to July has 50.8 percent of Americans opposed to Obamacare, with just 38.6 percent in favour. Rasmussen, which tracks the issue closely, has the level of opposition to Obama’s health reforms running [URL="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law"]currently at 55 percent[/URL]. CNN’s most recent polling in June placed [URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html"]public opposition at 56 percent[/URL]. Strikingly, out of 50 polls conducted on Obamacare since the start of 2011[URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html"] and listed byRealClear Politics[/URL], only two (Rasmussen in January and Gallup in March), show more support than opposition for the president’s plan. [B]6. The Obama presidency looks increasingly out of touch with the American people[/B] There is a disturbing let them eat cake mentality projected by the Obama White House, whether the president is [URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100097177/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-extravagent-ancien-regime-tells-the-american-people-let-them-eat-taxes/"]advocating higher taxes[/URL] in the face of a possible double dip recession, or [URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100099548/obama-feasts-while-rome-burns-do-america%E2%80%99s-ruling-liberal-elites-think-they-are-the-new-emperors/"]hosting elaborate parties[/URL]while [URL="http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/04/pf/food_stamps_record_high/index.htm?iid=HP_River"]45 million Americans depend on food stamps[/URL]. No US presidency in modern times has been more elitist or out of touch than the present one, which exudes the kind of condescending left-wing snobbery that is normally the preserve of an ivory tower common room. President Obama looks increasingly aloof and out of sync with the American people, three quarters of whom now believe the country is heading down the wrong track – [URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100098987/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-out-of-touch-presidency-sinks-to-a-new-low-75-percent-of-likely-us-voters-believe-the-country-is-heading-in-the-wrong-direction/"]including a staggering 58 percent[/URL] of Democrats, according to Rasmussen. [B]7. Conservatism is growing stronger in America[/B] While President Obama remains determined to shift the country to the Left, the American public is increasingly conservative in terms of ideology. There is a fundamental disconnect between the most ideologically driven liberal president in US history, and a large percentage of the American people. As Gallup’s[URL="http://www.gallup.com/poll/148745/political-ideology-stable-conservatives-leading.aspx"] latest survey on political views [/URL]shows, conservatism is by far the leading ideology in the United States. [URL="http://www.gallup.com/poll/148745/political-ideology-stable-conservatives-leading.aspx"]According to Gallup[/URL], nearly twice as many Americans (41 percent) call themselves conservative, compared to those who describe themselves as liberal (21 percent). Conservatives also outnumber moderates (36 percent) by a five point margin. And among Republicans, 71 percent describe themselves as “very conservative” or “conservative”, compared to just 38 percent of Democrats who call themselves “very liberal” or “liberal”. [B]8. The Tea Party has been a stunning success[/B] No article on Barack Obama’s stunning decline would be complete without mention of the Tea Party, which has been undoubtedly[URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100070120/the-tea-party-is-the-movement-of-the-decade/"] the most influential US political movement [/URL]of the decade. The Tea Party’s relentless rise played a key role in sparking the conservative revolution that swept Capitol Hill last November, and has played a major role in setting the agenda when it came to the heated debates over government spending this summer. Were it not for the Tea Party, it is likely that the budget deficit would not be the central issue it is today, and federal spending would have remained a largely inside the beltway debate instead of the talk of dinner tables across America. A truly grassroots movement has succeeded in a short period of time in humbling a presidency, and challenging the status quo on Capitol Hill. [B]9. The Obama presidency comes across as bitter, nasty and divisive[/B] Vice President Joe Biden’s [URL="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100099341/joe-biden-compares-the-tea-party-to-terrorists-is-this-the-most-crass-and-nasty-white-house-in-modern-us-history/"]recent attack on the Tea Party[/URL], supporting the charge by Democrat Congressman Mike Doyle of Pennsylvania that Tea Party Republicans had [URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html"]“acted like terrorists”[/URL] over the debt issue, was symbolic of an emphatically partisan White House, that is increasingly lashing out aggressively at anyone who questions its policies. As[URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html"] I noted at the time[/URL]: There is something deeply sad and disconcerting when the vice president decides to compare opposition legislators in Congress with terrorists simply because he disagrees with their views and principles. This is the kind of ugly, threatening rhetoric that has no place at the heart of the US presidency… Joe Biden has clearly overstepped the line with his comments, and brought the office of the vice president into disrepute. His actions today are symbolic of a White House that increasingly looks bitter, crass and petty in its behaviour as public opinion moves firmly against it. Biden’s outburst is a sign of the Left’s growing desperation 30 months into the Obama administration, and only further reinforces the image of decline and decay sinking in at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. [B] 10. The liberal elites are turning on the president[/B] One only has to read the pages of The New York Times, the flagship of America’s liberal elites, to see how some of the president’s most ardent left-wing supporters have begun to turn against him. Even [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/opinion/sunday/dowd-tempest-in-a-tea-party.html?_r=1]:"]Maureen Dowd[/URL] despairs that her beloved president has been forced to make concessions to the Tea Party on the debt issue, quoting a Democrat Senator as saying: “we are watching him turn into Jimmy Carter right before our eyes.” And as for uber liberal Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman, Obama has supposedly [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/opinion/the-president-surrenders-on-debt-ceiling.html"]“surrendered”[/URL] to the Right. There is every sign of a vicious civil war breaking out on the Left, as disillusionment mounts with Obama. This will make it increasingly difficult for the president to present a united front as he campaigns for re-election, and he will have to contend with heavy sniping from powerful liberal voices, most of whom gave him unequivocal backing in 2008. [B]A presidency in decline[/B] The omens are certainly not looking good for President Obama, as he approaches the final 16 months of his presidency. Public opinion has turned firmly against him in recent weeks, as it did in the months ahead of the November 2010 midterms. On the economy, undoubtedly the dominant issue for voters in 2012, he is on distinctly shaky ground, with his Big Government agenda increasingly distrusted by the American electorate, scorned by the financial markets, and given a vote of no confidence by credit agency Standard and Poor’s. By almost any measure, this is a presidency in steep decline and in serious trouble. This is looking like another ‘annus horribilis’ for Barack Obama, the ‘hope and change’ president who, on current trajectory, seems destined for failure, with a legacy of declining prosperity at home and dispiriting American weakness abroad.[/release] [url=http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100099871/the-stunning-decline-of-barack-obama-2011-edition-10-key-reasons-why-the-obama-presidency-continues-to-meltdown/]Source[/url] It's a blog post, but they cite their sources pretty thoroughly. Obama is definitely losing control of the country, and while his administration preaches fiscal restraint and things like healthy eating to the country, while they continue to spend out of control and eat 1700 calorie hamburgers.[/QUOTE] 1) The economy is the fault of the Republicans. The fact that anyone could even begin to conceive of pinning that one on the Democrats, is criminally stupid. You should actually kill yourself if you believe that. At the conclusion of Clinton's term, the budget was balanced and we were paying off debt. PAYING OFF DEBT. The Republicans then decided to fucking ruin EVERYTHING with their goddamn tax cuts. WE NEED TAXES. And, as if that wasn't bad enough, they also had to start two fucking wars. Good job Republicans. Seriously, you should all be fucking ashamed to ever associate yourself with that party. You have thoroughly ruined the United States. 2) S&P SPECIFICALLY STATED that the Republicans were the cause of the downgrade. They fucking lampooned the Republican party because they refused to negotiate on the budget. 3) Libya is how you fight limited conflicts. We are letting NATO lead like we are supposed to be fucking doing. 4) Independents are deserting him for who? The Republicans? They are a bunch of fucking children. I would take the fucking Nazi party over the Republicans at this point. 5) Obamacare? Really? You mean the same plan that was utterly ruined by the Republicans? Oh good job there. We should have fucking universal healthcare like goddamn adults, instead the fucking Republicans, in their infinite malevolence, have seen fit to watch the poor fucking die instead of get the care they deserve. 6) The administration wants to make the sliding tax scale work. Currently the wealthy make 75% of the money, and only pay 65% of the taxes. THAT IS FUCKING BACKWARDS. The entire goddamn point of the sliding tax scale is to make the wealthy PAY MORE TAXES. If you make a million dollars a year, you can lose a full 500k and still be filthy rich. If you make 20,000 dollars a year, and you lose 10k, you lose what little you had already. This isn't a difficult concept. A sliding tax is the only fair way to tax. It keeps the government supplied, and keeps people from fucking starving. 7)If conservatism is growing stronger, and it isn't, it would be because we continually slash funding to education. The less education you have, the more likely you are to be conservative. Congrats on recruiting members because they are too ignorant to know better. Good job. Wouldn't want an informed population or anything. What would Jesus do? He would probably lobotomize the population just to make sure they were all conservatives. Fucking assholes. 8)The tea party is a sign of the failure of the Republican party. The Republican party has lost a portion of its members to an extremist sect. The Republicans now must follow them, or risk producing a completely separate party. The Republican leadership spewed bullshit for so many years, that eventually a portion of them actually started to believe their own lies. Now you have a bunch of stupid psychopaths in office with no idea how to run a country or the concepts upon which this nation was founded. Good job, dickwads. You can't even keep your own idiots in check. 9) Oh boohoo. They call a spade a spade. Tea partiers are insane and need to collectively be hit by a bus. Preferably a flaming bus filled with Republicans as it careens off a cliff into an ocean of napalm. 10) Hahah, "liberal elites". A term used almost exclusively by conservative extremists. Good job there. No shit people are annoyed with him. He is the face of the country and the country is doing poorly, unfortunately he is only the face, the actual body is being controlled by who? OH RIGHT THE REPUBLICANS. Fucking stupid article and you should be deeply ashamed for ever having posted it.

[QUOTE=slogsdon;31617338]lol fiscally right wing doesn't make you a libertarian it just means spending money on war and keeping drugs illegal and giant border walls[/QUOTE] big government and massive war spending isn't right wing. small government and minimal spending is. (but current republicans seems to have missed that distinction so I forgive you) what you are talking about is a hawk stance and social conservatism

[QUOTE=thisispain;31617322]really? do you support affirmative action?[/QUOTE] Don't act like supporting affirmative action is a requirement for being socially liberal.

Obama is about as left wing as Pat Robertson after a paycheck. [img]http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617148]I was a Social Conservative, but I switched sides. I'm still fiscally right-wing, which makes a Libertarian instead of a Conservative.[/QUOTE] No, it just makes you ignorant. The world runs on taxes. Get over yourself and pay up for the sake of everyone, including yourself.

[QUOTE=slogsdon;31617338]lol fiscally right wing doesn't make you a libertarian it just means spending money on war and keeping drugs illegal and giant border walls[/QUOTE] Ahahaha no. Fiscal conservatives believe in limited spending and strong free marketing. Fiscal conservatives specifically oppose things like the drug war and spending to keep drugs illegal or stopping a legal drug market. What you're referring to is the neocon spending habits of the Republican party who have turned fiscal conservatism into fiscal patriotism and social conservatism through fiscal policy.

[QUOTE=slogsdon;31617338]lol fiscally right wing doesn't make you a libertarian it just means spending money on war and keeping drugs illegal and giant border walls[/QUOTE] I'm not sure I really understand what you're saying. Could you rephrase it?

[quote] 8)The tea party is a sign of the failure of the Republican party. The Republican party has lost a portion of its members to an extremist sect. The Republicans now must follow them, or risk producing a completely separate party. The Republican leadership spewed bullshit for so many years, that eventually a portion of them actually started to believe their own lies. Now you have a bunch of stupid psychopaths in office with no idea how to run a country or the concepts upon which this nation was founded. Good job, dickwads. You can't even keep your own idiots in check. [/quote] So it's a failure in the fact that it succeeded :v:?

This is not news. I wish we had a report button for this sort of thing.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;31617460]This is not news. I wish we had a report button for this sort of thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah, any opinion articles should be moved to GD no matter which stance they take.

[QUOTE=Reimu;31617455]So it's a failure in the fact that it succeeded :v:?[/QUOTE] Succeed how? The Republicans are now slaves to a bunch of psychos and they know it.