10 key reasons why the Obama presidency continues to melt down - Polidicks

tbqh Where you fall on the Spectrum should be an after-thought and just a good way of finding like-minded politicians.

[QUOTE=McMissile;31617404]Don't act like supporting affirmative action is a requirement for being socially liberal.[/QUOTE] it pretty much is i mean you can't really call yourself socially liberal unless you support strong progressive values. you can be socially moderate.

[QUOTE=GunFox;31617419]No, it just makes you ignorant. The world runs on taxes. Get over yourself and pay up for the sake of everyone, including yourself.[/QUOTE] Here's a crazy idea, let's cut some of our massive spending so we don't need to hike taxes up.

[QUOTE=Reimu;31617516]tbqh Where you fall on the Spectrum should be an after-thought and just a good way of finding like-minded politicians.[/QUOTE] Yes it should, I'm just pointing out that Obama's actually fairly conservative.

[QUOTE=thisispain;31617533]it pretty much is i mean you can't really call yourself socially liberal unless you support strong progressive values. you can be socially moderate.[/QUOTE] I hope you're joking. Affirmative action is hardly a progressive value. It's accepted by a minority of progressives and liberals that do not represent strong progressives.

[QUOTE=GunFox;31617419]No, it just makes you ignorant. The world runs on taxes. Get over yourself and pay up for the sake of everyone, including yourself.[/QUOTE] For what? So the government can keep spending money on needless wars, programs and bailouts?

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617563]For what? So the government can keep spending money on needless wars, programs and bailouts?[/QUOTE] so the government can spend money on improving the country for everyone who lives in it.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31615882]Box Fort for having a different opinion.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/28jvdic.png[/IMG] That part is not an opinion at all, in fact it is objectively false.

[QUOTE=GunFox;31617513]Succeed how? The Republicans are now slaves to a bunch of psychos and they know it.[/QUOTE] Well, the Tea Party has political power. They have significant sway in the country, at least with a large number of Republicans and a few conservative Independents/Democrats (iirc around 25% of the Party). The Tea Party has so much power and influence, they nearly caused the government to default and the World to reach global economic panic through legislative blocking. I would call that an internal success. Even if the Republican party is powerless to their existence, that doesn't mean the Tea Party is de facto a failure. It's a failure and monstrosity for pragmatists in America and the World. But it's a success for the people who follow it. The Tea Party is a success until its followers start to wake up and realize that compromise, mutual understanding and respect, and pragmatism is the key to changing what they see wrong with politics; not dressing up like 1700s patriots and spouting bullshit.

[QUOTE=thisispain;31617533]it pretty much is i mean you can't really call yourself socially liberal unless you support strong progressive values. you can be socially moderate.[/QUOTE] Technically, given that being liberal is entirely about freedom, affirmative action wouldn't actually fall under its umbrella. That said, I do agree with it, but I'm not going to claim that someone is socially moderate because they disagree with it.

[QUOTE=thisispain;31617533]it pretty much is i mean you can't really call yourself socially liberal unless you support strong progressive values. you can be socially moderate.[/QUOTE] To say that every social liberal must support affirmative action is a bit of a generalization. There are plenty of people that just feel that affirmative action is reverse discrimination, and they still support gay marriage and abortion and things of that nature.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31617593]so the government can spend money on improving the country for everyone who lives in it.[/QUOTE] Federal spending has been very high for the last decade, and yet things have gotten worse. And if you keep burdening the taxpayers, eventually they'll find a way to stop paying such high taxes. If you keep the tax rate at a more reasonable rate, then government income should actually increase. However, that means very little if we keep spending beyond our means.

It's not like Obama is going to lose re-election. Look at what the Republicans have to offer. If anyone bothers with mentioning deregulation, you're insane.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];31617294']I'm not surprised, really. Ever since I debated him over Iran's nuclear program back in 2008, I believe, where he stopped responding to my counter arguments, and how he never responds to my counter arguments now anymore either, I've never really liked him. He seems to post something, and then when someone points out a fallacy or a counter-point, he ignores it and acts like it's not there. When he seemingly can't defend himself, he mysteriously disappears from discussions. Glaber is also similar, or so it seems from the debt discussion threads. Boba_Fett and [sluggo] I do have respect for, because you can at least discuss with them.[/QUOTE] I liked you :smith: I'm sorry if I have real world obligations that prevent me from having arguments on the internet.

When did someones opinion become news? Glaber threads are better then this.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617043]I don't follow them blindly. I'm socially liberal, and I didn't like the Bush administration. Can we stop with the insults?[/QUOTE] Say that near a Republican and they'll call you a communist.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31615919]It's got sources cited. If The Young Turks can be posted here, I don't see why an article sourcing Rasmussen polls cannot.[/QUOTE] Let's be honest here. The liberal party is more rooted in fact than the conservative party, so any blogs that have "liberal bias" are likely rooted in more facts and truth than a blog with conservative bias. You might as well call some "liberal bias" for what it really is, which is "factual bias", because they're biased towards telling facts rather than lies, using emotional manipulation or acting as a corporate mouth piece.

[QUOTE=GunFox;31617384]1) The economy is the fault of the Republicans. The fact that anyone could even begin to conceive of pinning that one on the Democrats, is criminally stupid. You should actually kill yourself if you believe that. At the conclusion of Clinton's term, the budget was balanced and we were paying off debt. PAYING OFF DEBT. The Republicans then decided to fucking ruin EVERYTHING with their goddamn tax cuts. WE NEED TAXES. And, as if that wasn't bad enough, they also had to start two fucking wars. Good job Republicans. Seriously, you should all be fucking ashamed to ever associate yourself with that party. You have thoroughly ruined the United States. 2) S&P SPECIFICALLY STATED that the Republicans were the cause of the downgrade. They fucking lampooned the Republican party because they refused to negotiate on the budget. 3) Libya is how you fight limited conflicts. We are letting NATO lead like we are supposed to be fucking doing. 4) Independents are deserting him for who? The Republicans? They are a bunch of fucking children. I would take the fucking Nazi party over the Republicans at this point. 5) Obamacare? Really? You mean the same plan that was utterly ruined by the Republicans? Oh good job there. We should have fucking universal healthcare like goddamn adults, instead the fucking Republicans, in their infinite malevolence, have seen fit to watch the poor fucking die instead of get the care they deserve. 6) The administration wants to make the sliding tax scale work. Currently the wealthy make 75% of the money, and only pay 65% of the taxes. THAT IS FUCKING BACKWARDS. The entire goddamn point of the sliding tax scale is to make the wealthy PAY MORE TAXES. If you make a million dollars a year, you can lose a full 500k and still be filthy rich. If you make 20,000 dollars a year, and you lose 10k, you lose what little you had already. This isn't a difficult concept. A sliding tax is the only fair way to tax. It keeps the government supplied, and keeps people from fucking starving. 7)If conservatism is growing stronger, and it isn't, it would be because we continually slash funding to education. The less education you have, the more likely you are to be conservative. Congrats on recruiting members because they are too ignorant to know better. Good job. Wouldn't want an informed population or anything. What would Jesus do? He would probably lobotomize the population just to make sure they were all conservatives. Fucking assholes. 8)The tea party is a sign of the failure of the Republican party. The Republican party has lost a portion of its members to an extremist sect. The Republicans now must follow them, or risk producing a completely separate party. The Republican leadership spewed bullshit for so many years, that eventually a portion of them actually started to believe their own lies. Now you have a bunch of stupid psychopaths in office with no idea how to run a country or the concepts upon which this nation was founded. Good job, dickwads. You can't even keep your own idiots in check. 9) Oh boohoo. They call a spade a spade. Tea partiers are insane and need to collectively be hit by a bus. Preferably a flaming bus filled with Republicans as it careens off a cliff into an ocean of napalm. 10) Hahah, "liberal elites". A term used almost exclusively by conservative extremists. Good job there. No shit people are annoyed with him. He is the face of the country and the country is doing poorly, unfortunately he is only the face, the actual body is being controlled by who? OH RIGHT THE REPUBLICANS. Fucking stupid article and you should be deeply ashamed for ever having posted it.[/QUOTE] After seeing 5 and 8, I stopped taking that article seriously. Its just another right-wing fox-news supporting author/blogger. The old Republican party(1860-maybe near 1950, when that former general was President) was good. The Republican presidents that were at least decent were Lincoln, Eisenhower, and T. Roosevelt. Now all we have is Bachmann, Palin, and the Tea Party. But the Tea Partiers are insane, and crazy. They think they are saving the country, but they almost caused the first economic default in the United States. Just because they didn't get their way. Question, if a party threatens to filibuster a bill that would prevent a default, holds the economy hostage, and demands their way, what are they called to the sane people? Are they called heroes, or terrorists? Or batshit insane.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617710]Federal spending has been very high for the last decade, and yet things have gotten worse. And if you keep burdening the taxpayers, eventually they'll find a way to stop paying such high taxes. If you keep the tax rate at a more reasonable rate, then government income should actually increase. However, that means very little if we keep spending beyond our means.[/QUOTE] well because it seems when the government DOES try to improve things (with social welfare, universal healthcare etc) a certain party does everything they can to fuck with it

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31617593]so the government can spend money on improving the country for everyone who lives in it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, like our first rate school system, world reknowned mass transit programs and the most affordable healthcare on the planet.

The only time I saw the Young turks cited is for small things, like a criticism of a very particular comment or segment from a Fox News airing, or a criticism of a more obscure Tea Party member. This is an attack on the president, rather ambitious There is a difference, get over it.

[QUOTE=McMissile;31617683]To say that every social liberal must support affirmative action is a bit of a generalization. There are plenty of people that just feel that affirmative action is reverse discrimination, and they still support gay marriage and abortion and things of that nature.[/QUOTE] by that logic, taxation (for healthcare, education etc.) is reverse discrimination equality of outcome is a pretty big tenet of the left, and affirmative action is a part of that.

I like how for #8 he champions the Tea Party for bringing the deficit into the minds of thousands of Americans. Yet he dances around the fact that the reason why the Tea Party brought the deficit into the minds of thousands of Americans wasn't because they set out to change things, but because they fearmongered Americans and nearly led to a global economic collapse. Gotta love that public awareness! It's like reminding citizens to vote on Election Day by burning their house down.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31617788]Yeah, like our first rate school system, world reknowned mass transit programs and the most affordable healthcare on the planet.[/QUOTE] hmmm which of these things are the republicans constantly fucking up by cutting funding or attempting to cut funding to???? hmmm

[QUOTE=The Baconator;31617798]The only time I saw the Young turks cited is for small things, like a criticism of a very particular comment or segment from a Fox News airing, or a criticism of a more obscure Tea Party member. This is an attack on the president, rather ambitious There is a difference, get over it.[/QUOTE]\ No, THIS is an attack on the President. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoZeZprXnDg[/media] [editline]8th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;31617873]hmmm which of these things are the republicans constantly fucking up by cutting funding or attempting to cut funding to???? hmmm[/QUOTE] Would it be the bullet train between cities that are dozens of miles apart from each other?

About fearmongering, Obama was blamed by Palin for using fearmongering about the economy(it was on CNN ticker though), and yet, Palin didn't say anything about her party having an ad about the year 2016 when the US is in total shit because he was reelected. So basically, both parties will accuse each other of this, then do that same thing. But mostly, its the Republicans. What is next, the President caused the 14 trillion debt, not from the US, the president is a socialist/leftist communist? What do the Republicans have to attack the President anyway? They can try to blame the downgrade on the Democrats if they want, but S&P did say the Republicans was one of the leading factors.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31617873]hmmm which of these things are the republicans constantly fucking up by cutting funding or attempting to cut funding to???? hmmm[/QUOTE] Can we really afford to have a government with a blank check? We are currently spending far, far beyond our means. We're 14 trillion dollars in debt, and you're suggesting that we spend even more?

[quote]The Tea Party has been a stunning success[/quote] I'm dying of laughter

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];31617557']I hope you're joking. Affirmative action is hardly a progressive value. It's accepted by a minority of progressives and liberals that do not represent strong progressives.[/QUOTE] I used to not support it until I learned how it worked being uneducated made me more conservative heh

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617956]Can we really afford to have a government with a blank check? We are currently spending far, far beyond our means. We're 14 trillion dollars in debt, and you're suggesting that we spend even more?[/QUOTE] no i just don't think funding should be cut from education or healthcare