10 key reasons why the Obama presidency continues to melt down - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ridge;31617724]I liked you :smith: I'm sorry if I have real world obligations that prevent me from having arguments on the internet.[/QUOTE] Ouch. Sorry.

Affirmative Action is just racism.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617956]Can we really afford to have a government with a blank check? We are currently spending far, far beyond our means. We're 14 trillion dollars in debt, and you're suggesting that we spend even more?[/QUOTE] You need a balance of the two in order to get somewhere, but your party wants cuts on areas that cannot be cut without pissing off the masses. Cutting down everything and not spending a hay-penny is like trying to lose weight by getting a knife and slicing off sections of your lovehandles in order to lose weight.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];31618018']Ouch. Sorry.[/QUOTE] In all honesty, I like hearing opposing viewpoints. I know MY stance on a given topic, but I like to know other's as well. In my few years on this forum, I've actually found myself becoming more progressive and drifting far away from the Republican party as a result of hearing and agreeing with viewpoints I would have previously not thought of or outright ignored.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617563]For what? So the government can keep spending money on needless wars, programs and bailouts?[/QUOTE] Healthcare, roads, clean water, safe drugs, space program, emergency services, national parks, social security, national guard, public schools, clean air, public museums, food stamps, public defenders, the entire justice system, aircraft regulations, motor vehicle regulations, boat regulations, natural disaster alerts, weather reports of all kinds, FEMA, utilities of virtually any kind, all sorts of grants from pell grants to grants designed to help you start a small business, FDIC insured banks, GI money to go to college, building codes requiring certain levels of quality, public libraries, the US postal system, national forests, the national archives, the coast guard, public transportation, public drinking fountains, enjoy reasonable working hours, the various US embassies over seas, state universities, the CDC, any and all products transported by rail, all the resources located by the USGS, the list goes on and on and on. Good luck living in a nation with virtually no taxes. I'd say let me know how it works out for you, but frankly you will most likely die within the year when you eat some contaminated meat and catch a brutal case of salmonella which is in turn treated with substandard drugs due to non-regulation given to you by an unlicensed and poorly trained physician who would normally by licensed by the government.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;31618050]It's only racist if it puts a less qualified person in the place of a more qualified person due to their race.[/QUOTE] It's not racist in any way, but it is unfair and favoring in that it puts a person of a minority race over a person of majority race into a position just because of their minority race qualities, regardless of qualifications (clarifying this, by regardless of qualifications I'm saying that the qualifications issue has nothing to do with its shortcomings). I'm really strong with my 'liberal guilt' but if we want to end racism, we need to quit favoring any race for any reason in anything.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;31618054]You need a balance of the two in order to get somewhere, but your party wants cuts on areas that cannot be cut without pissing off the masses.[/QUOTE] Entitlement programs are indeed a huge issue. Although they are perhaps one of the largest sources of our debt, we cannot cut them, as they have become somewhat of an expectation by the people. It would have been much easier if most of them had never been implemented in the first place.

Okay okay okay, but apart from the aquaduct, the roads, the lower crime rates and the education system, what ave the Romans ever done for us?

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31617956]Can we really afford to have a government with a blank check? We are currently spending far, far beyond our means. We're 14 trillion dollars in debt, and you're suggesting that we spend even more?[/QUOTE] Most of the debt contributed to the Republicans.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;31618166]I completely agree, I think it's a bullshit policy, I was merely stating that it wasn't racist.[/QUOTE] Ah okay gotcha, I thought you were saying that it was ok because it wasn't racist unless bla bla. I see now.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618034]Affirmative Action is just racism.[/QUOTE] The alternative is a larger quantity of racism I'm not entirely convinced that affirmative action puts whites at any discernible disadvantage anyway

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618067]In all honesty, I like hearing opposing viewpoints. I know MY stance on a given topic, but I like to know other's as well. In my few years on this forum, I've actually found myself becoming more progressive and drifting far away from the Republican party as a result of hearing and agreeing with viewpoints I would have previously not thought of or outright ignored.[/QUOTE] I can second this.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618034]Affirmative Action is just racism.[/QUOTE] And Ridge's posts are just retarded.

[QUOTE=amute;31618180]Most of the debt contributed to the Republicans.[/QUOTE] Yes, but Bush being a shitty President doesn't mean Obama should go ahead and be one, too.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31618194]The alternative is a larger quantity of racism I'm not entirely convinced that affirmative action puts whites at any discernible disadvantage anyway[/QUOTE] The solution to racism is not favoring the minority. And affirmative action does not end racism in any way, in fact it likely increases it because putting a black person in a position just because they're black would cause resentment.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618243]Yes, but Bush being a shitty President doesn't mean Obama should go ahead and be one, too.[/QUOTE] Bush cut taxes to unworkable levels. To fix the problem, taxes need to be raised. The Republicans staunchly block any and all attempts to raise taxes back to a normal level. Explain to me where Obama plays into this problem at all.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618243]Yes, but Bush being a shitty President doesn't mean Obama should go ahead and be one, too.[/QUOTE] You want something to blame the problems of the Obama administration on, look at the republican congress ridge. gunfox has it

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31618150]Entitlement programs are indeed a huge issue. Although they are perhaps one of the largest sources of our debt, we cannot cut them, as they have become somewhat of an expectation by the people. It would have been much easier if most of them had never been implemented in the first place.[/QUOTE] Yeah, fuck poor people.

[QUOTE=GunFox;31618283]Bush cut taxes to unworkable levels. To fix the problem, taxes need to be raised. The Republicans staunchly block any and all attempts to raise taxes back to a normal level. Explain to me where Obama plays into this problem at all.[/QUOTE] Well, I know this probably isn't the problem Ridge is referring to, but Obama did support tax cut extensions.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618243]Yes, but Bush being a shitty President doesn't mean Obama should go ahead and be one, too.[/QUOTE] He has spent virtually nothing compared to Bush. But in order to try and stimulate the economy.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31618293]You want something to blame the problems of the Obama administration on, look at the republican congress ridge. gunfox has it[/QUOTE] What about the Democrat Congress from 2006 to 2010? That is 2 years where Obama could have shoehorned any legislation through without giving a damn what the Republicans thought. Yet he gave up so much so it could look bipartisan. He is spineless.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618324]What about the Democrat Congress from 2006 to 2010? That is 2 years where Obama could have shoehorned any legislation through without giving a damn what the Republicans thought. Yet he gave up so much so it could look bipartisan. He is spineless.[/QUOTE] I think he just didn't want his party to be thought of as iron-fisted morons like the republicans already are again with your "determination means more than what you're determined to do" spiel

[QUOTE=GunFox;31618138]Healthcare, roads, clean water, safe drugs, space program, emergency services, national parks, social security, national guard, public schools, clean air, public museums, food stamps, public defenders, the entire justice system, aircraft regulations, motor vehicle regulations, boat regulations, natural disaster alerts, weather reports of all kinds, FEMA, utilities of virtually any kind, all sorts of grants from pell grants to grants designed to help you start a small business, FDIC insured banks, GI money to go to college, building codes requiring certain levels of quality, public libraries, the US postal system, national forests, the national archives, the coast guard, public transportation, public drinking fountains, enjoy reasonable working hours, the various US embassies over seas, state universities, the CDC, any and all products transported by rail, all the resources located by the USGS, the list goes on and on and on. Good luck living in a nation with virtually no taxes. I'd say let me know how it works out for you, but frankly you will most likely die within the year when you eat some contaminated meat and catch a brutal case of salmonella which is in turn treated with substandard drugs due to non-regulation given to you by an unlicensed and poorly trained physician who would normally by licensed by the government.[/QUOTE] Of course we need to pay taxes to pay for necessities. However, I'm strongly against raising taxes pay for wasteful government spending. There is a lot of stuff we can cut out, and by doing so we allow more tax money to go towards important things.

obama is a left-wing lunatic obama is spineless

At the least he is definitely the latter.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618324]What about the Democrat Congress from 2006 to 2010? That is 2 years where Obama could have shoehorned any legislation through without giving a damn what the Republicans thought. Yet he gave up so much so it could look bipartisan. He is spineless.[/QUOTE] Many of them weren't so much that he could have gotten it through without compromise, many of them were that he couldn't convince all the democrats and needed republican support. But the conclusion is the same: Obama is a spineless cocksucker who can't convince his own party to support what they usually support anyhow. His attempts at bipartisanship have lead to only more opposition from the conservatives, and all that he's done is try to compromise even when he didn't have to. He needs to realize that while bipartisanship is good and unity is fine and all, this is not the case currently- both sides need to get their shit together, because he isn't playing with a democrat and republican party where they agree, he's working with parties that are now so divided they oppose each others' policies just because they're the other party.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31618324]What about the Democrat Congress from 2006 to 2010? That is 2 years where Obama could have shoehorned any legislation through without giving a damn what the Republicans thought. Yet he gave up so much so it could look bipartisan. He is spineless.[/QUOTE] When he does what he wants, he has a liberal agenda. When he tries to bridge the gap between the parties, he is spineless. This isn't some fucking game. The two parties have to work together to get anything done. It isn't a red team blue team deal. We are all on the same fucking side. So when the President, chief diplomat of the nation, tries to be DIPLOMATIC, he is doing his JOB.

he's hardly even socially liberal or economically liberal i wish he was more left wing but he's hopelessly to the center and being british, he's almost right-wing to me

[QUOTE=amute;31618300]Yeah, fuck poor people.[/QUOTE] Perhaps a lot of people would be better off if they weren't dependent on the government. For the record, I'm not talking about people who cannot work, but people who can work and choose not to.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31618357]I think he just didn't want his party to be thought of as iron-fisted morons like the republicans already are again with your "determination means more than what you're determined to do" spiel[/QUOTE] Don't you think calling the entire republican party "iron fisted mormons" is a bit of an over generalization?