Texas Executes Man With IQ of 61; State Cites Steinbeck’s “Of Mice and Men” To Justify Killing - Polidicks

[QUOTE=roxter;37144077]How Forrest Gump could have ended.[/QUOTE] Except he didn't murder Jenny.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;37144167]Why does this post have so many disagrees? Please explain to me how execution is in any way justified. Especially when you consider the kind of people who run the show that allow things like this to happen.[/QUOTE] in an ideal world it would save money

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37144226]in an ideal world it would save money[/QUOTE] The only way it could save money is if we streamlined the appeals process. The same appeals process that already has accidents slip through the cracks. How on earth would that be ideal? Implying that execution would even remotely be ok for the sake of saving money.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37144226]in an ideal world it would save money[/QUOTE] In an ideal world we wouldn't have crime.

How stupid do you have to be to do this; they aren't even understanding the point of the book.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37144226]in an ideal world it would save money[/QUOTE] Lol so you're putting a value on human life now are you? As long as it saves money, it's OK to kill someone? How much has to be saved exactly? By your logic, we should liquidate all disabled people or people on welfare because it would "save money".

The killing in the book was a "mercy killing" practically. This is more of a stuck in neutral type killing. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] King tiger broke my automerge :(

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;37144254]The only way it could save money is if we streamlined the appeals process. The same appeals process that already has accidents slip through the cracks. How on earth would that be ideal? Implying that execution would even remotely be ok for the sake of saving money.[/QUOTE] well yeah miscarriages of justice will happen, and that's terrible but inevitable. the justification comes in that the way deathrow inmates are processed is obscenely wasteful, and that money could save many many more lives to outweigh the deaths of prisoners ofc that money would never actually be spent efficiently so it's all rather academic, but there do exist worlds where fast-tracked capital punishment is preferable to the status quo

[QUOTE=Valnar;37144192]Some people think vengeance is justice, that is why that post has so many disagrees.[/QUOTE] No, i think it's pointless to jail someone for 552 years, especially if it's criminal that poses a threat to everyone around him. So it's not something that should be done every day, obviously, it's for extreme circumstances, something texas isn't doing.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;37144167]Why does this post have so many disagrees? Please explain to me how execution is in any way justified. Especially when you consider the kind of people who run the show that allow things like this to happen.[/QUOTE] Because of opinions. I think the death penalty is fair in extreme situations, in this case being on the much lower end of extreme and can be left to debate as to what should have happened. There is no such thing as right or wrong, only opinions.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;37144290]Lol so you're putting a value on human life now are you? As long as it saves money, it's OK to kill someone?[/QUOTE] yes a human life is worth approximately 5.8 million dollars

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37144303]well yeah miscarriages of justice will happen, and that's terrible but inevitable. the justification comes in that the way deathrow inmates are processed is obscenely wasteful, and that money could save many many more lives to outweigh the deaths of prisoners ofc that money would never actually be spent efficiently so it's all rather academic, but there do exist worlds where fast-tracked capital punishment is preferable to the status quo[/QUOTE] I'd much rather we find other ways to balance our budget than trying to find the cheapest method of sanctioned murder.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37144303]there do exist worlds where fast-tracked capital punishment is preferable to the status quo[/QUOTE] I really do hope you mean strictly monetarily superior, because fuck living in that world

[QUOTE=Turnips5;37144344]I really do hope you mean strictly monetarily[/QUOTE] if you don't want to compare lives with money then compare lives with lives a deathrow inmate costs $125,000 per year, which converts to 250 african lives i don't like living in this world where a serial killer is valued at 250 africans

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37144369]if you don't want to compare lives with money then compare lives with lives a deathrow inmate costs $125,000 per year, which converts to 250 african lives i don't like living in this world where a serial killer is valued at 250 africans[/QUOTE] Oh god you are really pulling this card. If you feel so strongly that a deathrow inmate should be sacrificed for the sake of 250 Africans then why don't you start giving away any money that you don't need to survive for their sake? Are you not equally worth the lives of those individual people? Why should you be considered more valuable that you should be given a greater monetary privilege than them. If you are going to pull this life for a life bullshit then you go all the way or you don't go at all.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;37144318]Because of opinions. I think the death penalty is fair in extreme situations, in this case being on the much lower end of extreme and can be left to debate as to what should have happened. There is no such thing as right or wrong, only opinions.[/QUOTE] The death penalty is wrong because it is a worse form of punishment than life imprisonment.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;37144420]Oh god you are really pulling this card. If you feel so strongly that a deathrow inmate should be sacrificed for the sake of 250 Africans then why don't you start giving away any money that you don't need to survive for their sake? Are you not equally worth the lives of those individual people? Why should you be considered more valuable that you should be given a greater monetary privilege than them.[/QUOTE] I don't earn enough money to make a difference yet. my personal efforts are best spent invested into my own skills so that I can earn more money in the future, which leads to more money given to charity in the long term

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37144435]I don't earn enough money to make a difference yet.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I only hear someone who would rather the money come from an efficient system of death that is run by humans (who are fallible), then make any effort to better lives himself. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] By the way I am not actually telling you to give all of your wealth away. I'm just trying to show you why the concept of sacrificing the lives of others when you won't even sacrifice your own wealth is incredibly dumb.

[QUOTE=Valnar;37144423]The death penalty is wrong because it is a worse form of punishment than life imprisonment.[/QUOTE] Because you think so ?

They executed the smartest man in Texas? (I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;37144470]Sorry, I only hear someone who would rather the money come from an efficient system of death that is run by humans (who are fallible), then make any effort to better lives himself. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] By the way I am not actually telling you to give all of your wealth away. I'm just trying to show you why the concept of sacrificing the lives of others when you won't even sacrifice your own wealth is incredibly dumb.[/QUOTE] what I do plan to actually sacrifice some of my wealth once I earn enough for it to be worthwhile also the two aren't even mutually exclusive. I can give to charity and live in a system with fasttracked death penalties. hell I never even said it's an optimal system, I said it's preferable to the status quo. norwegian-style rehab is in my opinion better than mass execution

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;37144506]They executed the smartest man in Texas? (I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.)[/QUOTE] i don't think you fully realize that Texas is an diverse state and what you hear is only an media stereotype at best

[QUOTE=Exxon;37143414]Honestly, even if they are mentally retarded. A criminal is a criminal, they are also people, they should have the same rights and restrictions and repercussions as any other citizen. [editline][/editline] and yes I realize how extremely handicapped he is. I still see it the same.[/QUOTE] words cannot even describe.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;37144290]Lol so you're putting a value on human life now are you? As long as it saves money, it's OK to kill someone? How much has to be saved exactly? By your logic, we should liquidate all disabled people or people on welfare because it would "save money".[/QUOTE] That's a terrible strawman. At some point we have to put a value on the life of a human being, yes.

[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;37144499]Because you think so ?[/QUOTE] Because there is a lot of facts that point to it. It is generally more expensive to execute someone than imprison them for life. Our justice system is racist when it comes to dealing out the death penalty. For example, if you killed a white person you have a much more likely chance of getting the death penalty than if you killed a black person or latino. The death penalty has never been proven to be a deterrent to other people causing murders. States with the death penalty on average have a significantly higher murder rate than states without the death penalty Here is some more info on the subject. [URL]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf[/URL] [URL]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state[/URL] The death penalty is a horrible thing and there really is no way it can be justified.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37144619]That's a terrible strawman. At some point we have to put a value on the life of a human being, yes.[/QUOTE] people routinely do it anyway as revealed through their actions and preferences, regardless of what they say.

Shit, I could pass off as a retard if my life depended on it.

The death penalty is stupid because everyone is only a victim of their circumstance. People are only the way they are because of what happens around them and their genetic structure.

-snip- misread OP Still unjustifiable, though.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;37144709]The death penalty is stupid because everyone is only a victim of their circumstance. People are only the way they are because of what happens around them and their genetic structure.[/QUOTE] this. the concept of free will and choosing your actions based on some unknown third party is asinine and illogical. there is about as much evidence for free will as there is a god.