Texas Executes Man With IQ of 61; State Cites Steinbeck’s “Of Mice and Men” To Justify Killing - Polidicks

human rights are an invention, they don't dictate what is and is not moral

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37151946]human rights are an invention, they don't dictate what is and is not moral[/QUOTE] I'm aware they're an invention. I still support them.

[QUOTE=Valnar;37144192]Some people think vengeance is justice, that is why that post has so many disagrees.[/QUOTE] So, then, tell me, how is life in prison any better? you're still punishing a person in vengeance, and they're dead already, effectively, so how is it any better or more humane then death penalty?

IQ tests mean nothing. My IQ is far above average and I dropped out of college.

Unless this man wanted to tend the rabbits I see no justification.

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37152163]So, then, tell me, how is life in prison any better? you're still punishing a person in vengeance, and they're dead already, effectively, so how is it any better or more humane then death penalty?[/QUOTE] you can't exactly take the poison out of someone's veins and apologize, can you? once you file for the death penalty, there's no looking back. plus you've got to pay a stupidly large amount for due process, and that's an amount that can't be streamlined without innocent people slipping through the cracks and dying. so there's that.

[QUOTE=SSBMX;37152199]IQ tests mean nothing. My IQ is far above average and I dropped out of college.[/QUOTE] statistically they correlate with life success. your anecdote means nothing

[QUOTE=Cone;37152217]you can't exactly take the poison out of someone's veins and apologize, can you? once you file for the death penalty, there's no looking back. plus you've got to pay a stupidly large amount for due process, and that's an amount that can't be streamlined without innocent people slipping through the cracks and dying. so there's that.[/QUOTE] That doesn't tell me why life in prison is more humane, though. I want to know why anti-death penalty people go on about how Life in prison is so much humane then Death penalty when it gets the same effect and if anything it might be more torturous.

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37152287]That doesn't tell me why life in prison is more humane, though. I want to know why anti-death penalty people go on about how Life in prison is so much humane then Death penalty when it gets the same effect and if anything it might be more torturous.[/QUOTE] The main argument for prison over death is that if the man is found innocent later on he can be let out, whereas if a man is killed and then found to be innocent, it's a bit more of a problem.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37152317]The main argument for prison over death is that if the man is found innocent later on he can be let out, whereas if a man is killed and then found to be innocent, it's a bit more of a problem.[/QUOTE] Ah, well I can understand that perfectly well.

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37152287]That doesn't tell me why life in prison is more humane, though. I want to know why anti-death penalty people go on about how Life in prison is so much humane then Death penalty when it gets the same effect and if anything it might be more torturous.[/QUOTE] prisons being horrible places is generally accepted as a flaw in the American justice system rather than being a problem with the pro-rehabilitation argument. if America could stop getting such a boner over retribution, prisons would likely become much nicer places; the way that prisoners are basically told that they're terrible people only makes them hate the world that much more.

does he still get to tame dem rabbits

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37152287]That doesn't tell me why life in prison is more humane, though. I want to know why anti-death penalty people go on about how Life in prison is so much humane then Death penalty when it gets the same effect and if anything it might be more torturous.[/QUOTE] This is an awful argument to justify the death penalty. If prison is of an awful enough quality that the death penalty can even remotely be considered a more humane option then something is seriously wrong with the American prison system and it needs to be fixed. What's even more sad is I have actually seen people argue that prison is fine the way it is because criminals are supposed to suffer in it.

Oh shit I thought they meant the band but it's even weirder now

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37151946]human rights are an invention, they don't dictate what is and is not moral[/QUOTE] You know what else is a human invention? Morality. These two concepts circle back to each other and help keep a foundation for society.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;37154784]This is an awful argument to justify the death penalty. If prison is of an awful enough quality that the death penalty can even remotely be considered a more humane option then something is seriously wrong with the American prison system and it needs to be fixed. What's even more sad is I have actually seen people argue that prison is fine the way it is because criminals are supposed to suffer in it.[/QUOTE] that's not remotely what I meant. I didn't mean that killing them is more kind then life, I meant why is life more kind then killing them, because they both die either way, and it's pretty horrible both ways.

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37155040]that's not remotely what I meant. I didn't mean that killing them is more kind then life, I meant why is life more kind then killing them, because they both die either way, [b] and it's pretty horrible both ways.[/B][/QUOTE] First of all this is entirely the opinion of the inmate, and most certainly not a reason to keep the death penalty in commission. Second of all why can't America fix this problem instead of being content with having one of the worst prison systems out of all of the first world countries.

No one should be executed, no matter their intellectual capacity. Our continued use of the death penalty is, in my opinion, one of the biggest shortcomings of American society.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;37155329]First of all this is entirely the opinion of the inmate, and most certainly not a reason to keep the death penalty in commission. Second of all why can't America fix this problem instead of being content with having one of the worst prison systems out of all of the first world countries.[/QUOTE] Because Americans believe that "vengeance = justice" and that criminals like murderers and rapists don't deserve to be treated fairly because they're horrible people. And before anyone asks "who's horrible, the criminals or the Americans?", the answer is yes.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;37155518]Because Americans believe that "vengeance = justice" and that criminals like murderers and rapists don't deserve to be treated fairly because they're horrible people. And before anyone asks "who's horrible, the criminals or the Americans?", the answer is yes.[/QUOTE] yeah literally everyone in america is horrible because we all support the death penalty and want to ban gay marriage right???? :downs:

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37155664]yeah literally everyone in america is horrible because we all support the death penalty and want to ban gay marriage right???? :downs:[/QUOTE] Don't shove words down my throat, asshole. I didn't say that all Americans believe that, it's just what the vocal parts tend to think.

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37155664]yeah literally everyone in america is horrible because we all support the death penalty and want to ban gay marriage right???? :downs:[/QUOTE] apparently the people you elect to run the states do, or else this wouldn't be a problem. generalization or not, there's still a large issue.

Looking for family guy episode...

[QUOTE=Xgamer921;37155915]Looking for family guy episode...[/QUOTE] How about you just fuck right off instead?

I had to revise this "Of Mice and Men" for a English assessment, its a great book sad ending though :suicide:

executions are never justifiable, period

[QUOTE=Valnar;37145429]The death penalty would be even worse in a third world country, especially if the government is corrupt.[/QUOTE] Yeah well... no, not at all. Life in shithole of a prison is definitely worse than the death sentence, it's especially useful in a third world country when you don't have the infrastructure to deal with every kind of criminal.

[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;37157707]Yeah well... no, not at all. Life in shithole of a prison is definitely worse than the death sentence, it's especially useful in a third world country when you don't have the infrastructure to deal with every kind of criminal.[/QUOTE] The solution isn't to kill people then. The solution is to either improve your laws or improve your prison infrastructure.

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;37157745]The solution isn't to kill people then. The solution is to either improve your laws or improve your prison infrastructure.[/QUOTE] It's a temporary solution, better than doing nothing at all and letting the criminals fuck everything freely. You can't just fix a country in a week.

[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;37157707]Yeah well... no, not at all. Life in shithole of a prison is definitely worse than the death sentence, it's especially useful in a third world country when you don't have the infrastructure to deal with every kind of criminal.[/QUOTE] So you are saying then that it could be more humane to kill a criminal in a third world country even if it is a crime lesser than murder? Because the issue you pointed out there is the problem with the prison system of that country which is not related to the morality of the death penalty.