[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43220645]doesn't really matter what they intended if they still did it. and then continued to do it. and still continue to do it[/QUOTE]
Oh no. Comedians say things and sometimes it's hit and miss. Some times it's offensive, for reasons they intended or not. Let's just force them out of business for their secondary business.
No more PAX, no more Childs Play. Literally the two best things that have happened to grant the gaming public more awareness and exposure.
can we talk about Pax diversity instead of dickwolves
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Like how maybe this won't be taken seriously by some when it sounds good
[QUOTE=Winner;43220689]I thought the dickwolves comic was funny
It was their increasingly offensive responses to the criticism that weren't okay[/QUOTE]
They joked about it really sarcastically and told anyone who made real fucking threats to back off.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43220655]Oh no. Comedians say things and sometimes it's hit and miss. Some times it's offensive, for reasons they intended or not. Let's just force them out of business for their secondary business.
No more PAX, no more Childs Play. Literally the two best things that have happened to grant the gaming public more awareness and exposure.[/QUOTE]
except noones talking about forcing them out of business? what are you even on about? people just want them to be a bit more considerate of some of their fans, and it seems like they're doing so by creating this 'diversity lounge' to help educate and address these kinds of issues
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;43220553]Rape is not funny and is not something that should be used as the punchline for a "joke."[/QUOTE]
But rape wasn't the punchline. The joke was the character wouldn't save them because they hit their quest quota.
David Cage is banned from this lounge forever and is to be immediately escorted out of the convention if he is caught there.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;43220677]The joke in the comic wasn't making fun of rape or rape victims. It was making fun of the people who play games. The joke is that nobody cares about what actually happens to the NPCs that are suffering and how they just wish to finish their quest. The rape in that comic could have been interchangeable with any other harmful deed one can enact on another. Its not making light of rape or rape victims.
The reaction is rape related shit because Gabe and some Penny Arcade fans are immature. Yes, thats a problem no one is denying that. Those are all terrible things, but I was just saying that this comic should have never blew up like it did.[/QUOTE]
i agree i wouldn't and don't really give a shit about the comic in question (although why there is this idiotic need to insert rape into jokes i'll never understand) i'm more concerned about the reaction from the penny arcade dudes and their fans because that is a way larger problem than 1 person that got offended. and it's that reaction that proves that shit like this 'diversity lounge' is needed yet people are still acting like it's stupid and pointless which is indicative not only of the problems within this community but the refusal to address these problems
[editline]18th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sgt. Khorn;43220703]But rape wasn't the punchline. The joke was the character wouldn't save them because they hit their quest quota.[/QUOTE]
why was it in there then? it was obviously meant to be part of the joke, the problem is, rape isn't funny and it shouldn't be some GO TO hilarious edgy humour word to chuck into every situation where it's not needed
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43220717]i agree i wouldn't and don't really give a shit about the comic in question (although why there is this idiotic need to insert rape into jokes i'll never understand)[/QUOTE]
because sometimes rape is funny
[QUOTE=Sector 7;43220728]because sometimes rape is funny[/QUOTE]
not really
[QUOTE=Sector 7;43220728]because sometimes rape is funny[/QUOTE]
No
[QUOTE=Hoboiam;43220765]No[/QUOTE]
oh
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;43220553]Rape is not funny and is not something that should be used as the punchline for a "joke."[/QUOTE]
There are thousands of offending topics for jokes, and people make really offensive jokes all the time.
I am unsure why rape would be in an exclusive no-go zone.
[QUOTE=Cold;43220789]There are thousands of offending topics for jokes, and people make really offensive jokes all the time.
I am unsure why rape would be in an exclusive no-go zone.[/QUOTE]
it's touchy
you make a joke where a guy jumps out of an airplane without a chute and nobody considers the fact that the man's wife will have to drive to the morgue alone to identify his broken body
in reality, negative topics are powerful tools for creating irony and are present in almost every good joke
there's not really anything objective to rape's offensiveness, that's just how people feel about it
[QUOTE=Sector 7;43220728]because sometimes rape is funny[/QUOTE]
How about you get raped violently while I point & laugh?
Still funny to you?
[QUOTE=Cold;43220789]There are thousands of offending topics for jokes, and people make really offensive jokes all the time.
I am unsure why rape would be in an exclusive no-go zone.[/QUOTE]
If you make a offensive joke, be prepared to defend it in a adult and grown up manner.
PA did the exact opposite of that, until the problem had already escalated waaay out of control.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43220808]How about you get raped violently while I point & laugh?
Still funny to you?[/QUOTE]
no that sounds horrible
wtf is wrong with you
[QUOTE=Sector 7;43220813]no that sounds horrible
wtf is wrong with you[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sector 7;43220728]because sometimes rape is funny[/QUOTE]
excuse me while i laugh.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43220808]How about you get raped violently while I point & laugh?
Still funny to you?[/QUOTE]
there is a way to combat rape jokes and this is [B]definitely[/B] not it
[QUOTE=Winner;43220804]Well that's good because rape wasn't the punchline
The punchline was that the player doesn't give a shit about the NPCs if they don't offer the player any rewards[/QUOTE]
so why was rape in the joke at all? just to add that little reminder that gamers and gamer humour is immature and offensive to anyone that isn't under 15?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43220852]so why was rape in the joke at all? just to add that little reminder that gamers and gamer humour is immature and offensive to anyone that isn't under 15?[/QUOTE]
to add impact and context
the slave's situation is so extremely negative that the player's financially-motivated response to him seems that much more ridiculous
the idea that you can also "rape someone to sleep" also functions as a joke, because you can't do that
You can make jokes about tragedy and still laugh at them if they're well delivered and not straight out attacks.
My grandfather was a polish jew who survived five years in auschwitz and various camps. I'm proud of that creed, though I don't make it my lifes journey to censor or shut people out for saying gas chamber jokes or anything. I laugh with them, if it's a direct thing I don't take issue, but just bring it up.
You can tell a person criticism or that they can refine what they say, but to outright attack them and censor them is just as immature as making a tasteless joke.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;43220874]to add impact and context
the slave's situation is so extremely negative that the player's financially-motivated response to him seems that much more ridiculous[/QUOTE]
and this had to be done using rape why exactly? like, fair enough that's a reasonable response (although i still feel like rape just doesn't have a place in humour) but it sure seems to me like rape is the go-to thing for 'gamers' or whatever to add into shit
Everytime PAX get's mentioned this comes up. Apparently you can't make a joke about something because it's something bad that happens to people. Gilbert Gottfried made a joke about 9/11 the DAY after it happened. Thousands of people DIED from that. Yeah it was way too soon, but even he didn't get nearly as much fallout as dickwolves did.
[QUOTE=Winner;43220880]Because the worse the NPC had it, the better the punchline would be
The joke actually has fuck all to do with rape, "raped" could have been replaced with "beaten" or "tortured" and it would still be the same joke[/QUOTE]
then in my opinion maybe they should have said that instead, because even if that was the intent, there is still a large amount of people within this community who find it funny specifically because of the inclusion of rape and that's an attitude that needs to change
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43220895]and this had to be done using rape why exactly? like, fair enough that's a reasonable response (although i still feel like rape just doesn't have a place in humour) but it sure seems to me like rape is the go-to thing for 'gamers' or whatever to add into shit[/QUOTE]
Homophobia is a much bigger go to thing then rape.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43220895]and this had to be done using rape why exactly? like, fair enough that's a reasonable response (although i still feel like rape just doesn't have a place in humour) but it sure seems to me like rape is the go-to thing for 'gamers' or whatever to add into shit[/QUOTE]
is it more pc to torture slaves than to rape them?
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43220893]You can make jokes about tragedy and still laugh at them if they're well delivered and not straight out attacks.
My grandfather was a polish jew who survived five years in auschwitz and various camps. I'm proud of that creed, though I don't make it my lifes journey to censor or shut people out for saying gas chamber jokes or anything. I laugh with them, if it's a direct thing I don't take issue, but just bring it up.
You can tell a person criticism or that they can refine what they say, but to outright attack them and censor them is just as immature as making a tasteless joke.[/QUOTE]
except noone is actually trying to censor others, and from what it looks like the penny arcade dudes have a habit of responding very negatively and immaturely to criticism
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43220901]then in my opinion maybe they should have said that instead, because even if that was the intent, there is still a large amount of people within this community who find it funny specifically because of the inclusion of rape and that's an attitude that needs to change[/QUOTE]
No one cares about a beaten npc, they just come back. Scars heal and can be covered, but the rape never goes away and they have to live with that. It's tragic and that's the point.
That people don't care unless they're given reward, and that more often then not, they can't even do anything to help out because the game doesn't let them. Using the area as a showcase, then shuffling them along.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43220903]Homophobia is a much bigger go to thing then rape.[/QUOTE]
i don't think that's any less of an issue, and the homophobia often goes hand in hand with the rape thing
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43220912]except noone is actually trying to censor others, and from what it looks like the penny arcade dudes have a habit of responding very negatively and immaturely to criticism[/QUOTE]
Except you made some posts about that along with the entire other side of the debacle calling for it as if they're politicians and not satirists.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;43220910]is it more pc to torture slaves than to rape them?[/QUOTE]
torture and torture victims aren't marginalized within this community
[editline]18th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43220922]Except you made some posts about that along with the entire other side of the debacle calling for it as if they're politicians and not satirists.[/QUOTE]
i don't have the power to censor anyone or anything so i really don't know what you're on about
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