[QUOTE=Crash155;45629613]It's legal in the US iirc, just don't sell it our anything[/QUOTE]
Facepunch is hosted in the UK though.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;45628692]dafuq is Holo doing at the bottom of that thing?[/QUOTE]
Wheat's logo of sorts.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45629060]Another "DIY Guide" from Wheat God on /K/
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This guide is about how to make a hand grenade. Remember kids, Reagy is Luty.[/QUOTE]
pretty sure this is not by Wheat. No Holo and Wheat's kind of dead.
[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45628704]That's what you get for way too overly restricted firearm laws.[/QUOTE]
extremely low gun crime and a safe society?
Haha, I have those books! I don't think they're even still in print anymore. I put them with my other banned/controversial books. I actually bought them at a garage sale, they were in a box with Mein Kampf (original version, decent condition) and that's what initially caught my eye.[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45629684]Facepunch is hosted in the UK though.[/QUOTE]Alright fair enough, everyone who lives in a hugbox nanny state don't look at any of this so nobody gets in trouble for thought crimes.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;45630623]they were in a box with Mein Kampf (original version, decent condition)[/QUOTE]
Did you take it? People on ebay pay top shit for stuff like that
[QUOTE=kaze4159;45630663]Did you take it? People on ebay pay top shit for stuff like that[/QUOTE]Of course, getting [i]both[/i] 1926 volumes for ten fucking dollars was almost theft. I sold both books awhile back because I needed they money, but I hope to find another set someday. I also have a copy of Hit Man published by Paladin Press from that same box, which I don't think I'm ever going to sell.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;45630814]Of course, getting [i]both[/i] 1926 volumes for ten fucking dollars was almost theft. I sold both books awhile back because I needed they money, but I hope to find another set someday. I also have a copy of Hit Man published by Paladin Press from that same box, which I don't think I'm ever going to sell.[/QUOTE]
Got a picture of Hit Man? That's pretty fucking rare.
What if someone was making these in mass scale in their basement and covertly distributing them to subvert Australian gun laws?
[QUOTE=cqbcat;45631651]What if someone was making these in mass scale in their basement and covertly distributing them to subvert Australian gun laws?[/QUOTE]
thats literally whats happening, did you not read the article?
the thing about this is that no matter how many guns these underground manufacturers will make, it won't change peoples attitudes and it won't lead to guns becoming more common in society (trust me, the age of gunslinging in australia is over)
in a country where its difficult to get banned firearms, you have to go through illegal routes, which of course means that getting one generally requires you to associate with shifty, paranoid, dangerous, and quite possibly unstable people who very well may just make you disappear if you give them any reason to believe that you're not who you say you are thanks to the serious consequences that smuggling tends to have in those countries
not to mention many firearms in such countries tend to be old, expensive, lacking in stopping power, poorly maintained due to the difficulty of getting replacement parts, etc
also not to mention that crimes committed with guns tends to attract more attention, and since there's less opportunity for training and becoming acquainted with them (due to being both socially and legally frowned upon), so really using these guns is dangerous and risky
[QUOTE=cqbcat;45631651]What if someone was making these in mass scale in their basement and covertly distributing them to subvert Australian gun laws?[/QUOTE]
Uh... That is the case.
For example, two years ago a tradesmen in Sydney was caught producing a high quality machine pistol for local drug dealers, bikie gangs, and pro-gun groups that were interested in purchasing firearms to circumvent the current bans.
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This is the firearm the tradesmen produced, and during the bust, they found roughly twenty five of these in his basement, with five more being produced. He stated that he made roughly six crates(ten to fifteen firearms per crate), of these firearms every month or so, and sold the crates for $10,000 to $20,000 AUS. The problem that the Australian government is facing right now isn't just a group of criminals producing firearms, but rather hundreds of well knowledge tradesmen and tradeswomen producing things on the side to make money for their families.
What's worse is that the Australian government is handling the situation very ham-handed like, by outlawing people who were involved in organized crime from ever accessing jobs related to metal work, wood work, or anything simply involving manual labor with tools. All because people are going 1920's Prohibition Mode and are manufacturing firearms not only for criminal outfits, but for people who do not have the money to afford firearm ownership as a hobby.
The problem actually persists on the United States-Canada border with groups of Chinese/Russian Gun Runners, smuggling in firearms through Alaskan and Canadian rivers, and fencing the guns through the Native American tribes. Like right now, I can visit one of the local reservations and purchase a crate of Nocrino ammo/firearms for $2,000... All of which are scratched.
Most people who purchase these firearms though are [B]not criminal organizations[/B], but rather gun owners who are pissed off with current import bans, and the high prices enacted by American Gun Companies and ATF. If the AWB was passed back in 2013, I assure you that we would see several people in the American Militia Movement become involved in blackmarket gunsmithing, in order to get their dakkah to "fight tyranny"
[editline]8th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45632329]
not to mention many firearms in such countries tend to be old, expensive, lacking in stopping power, poorly maintained due to the difficulty of getting replacement parts, etc[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Antique/Rare Firearm Market, where the law only exists when you are bribing someone at the ATF to make a fake import number for an antique musket you purchased in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
[editline]8th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bradyns;45629320]This material seems highly inappropriate..
Are you even allowed to post this?[/QUOTE]
None of this stuff is considered illegal really. Hell, manufacturing those handguns and rifles is considered legal for the most part, as you are just screwing around.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45628561]Trying to find a better news source, but not many non-far right news sources report on this outside of a few gun websites.[/QUOTE]
The huge majority of Australian media is owned by the 'far-rights', unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Buck.;45628615]Well to be honest the design of a gun is rather simple, I'd think that any moderately equipped machining shop could manufacture their own firearms.[/QUOTE]
The shot gun is ultimately the most simple gun out there
its a pipe, with a pin on the end
all you need to do is smash the pin into the pipe and bam, you have a shot gun. If you make a good mechanism for it you are set.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45628888]By the way... You know what the Australian government should do with these firearms? They should host some sort of Youtube channel called "Dangerous Streets" or something like that where they take weapons that have be been taken from criminal gangs, and showcase them.
Like this is how it can be done...
00:00:00 - 00:00:30; Brief intro showing the weapon and mugshots from the crime group it was taken from. Talk about the name of the firearm, name of convicts, region it was taken from, ect.
00:00:30 - 00:03:00; Talk about the crimes that the gang/individual was involved in, and showcase the firearm and talk about the specs of it. Rate of fire, weapon type, how it works.
00:03:00 - 00:06:00; Disassemble the firearm, and show the innards of how it works and such, show the round it fires, use one round on ballistics gel to show the damage and effects it would have on the human body. Reassemble the firearm, and then for the last thirty seconds, fire an entire magazine/magwell into ballistics gel/target.
It would be such an awesome show, and not to mention that it would show some of these weapons that are getting onto the streets. Possibly encouraging people to look into better legislation or to give better funding to law enforcement, and possibly to look into criminal rehabilitation to keep these types of weapons off the streets.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I don't think that show should exist whatsoever.
If you make the show and it's main feature is an appreciation of the inner workings and machining of such firearms and well...show... It constantly, it's opening up people to an appreciation of such guns in the populace.
Australian culture is not as ingrained with gun culture compared to American culture (as in, none at all.) As much as you'd think people would appreciate it, gun culture in Australia is something that a minority of people enjoy.
Bringing an American styled show to australia would just make things worse, like if you brought Australian style gun laws to America. It's a culture thing.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;45635518]To be honest, I don't think that show should exist whatsoever.
If you make the show and it's main feature is an appreciation of the inner workings and machining of such firearms and well...show... It constantly, it's opening up people to an appreciation of such guns in the populace.
Australian culture is not as ingrained with gun culture compared to American culture (as in, none at all.) As much as you'd think people would appreciate it, gun culture in Australia is something that a minority of people enjoy.
Bringing an American styled show to Australia would just make things worse, like if you brought Australian style gun laws to America. It's a culture thing.[/QUOTE]
Well could you guys send those firearms over to the United States so they could be kept at the NRA Guns and Crime exhibits? Or have the firearms put into a museum for anyone interested in criminology?
For example, in Norway an artist/engineer was awarded a contract by a museum to manufacture a working model of the Luty machine pistol, and it is now kept in an exhibit to describe how the internet is changing the way laws need to be looked at.
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I had said before, guns are not hard to make, and plans are all over the internet to make things from the Luty, all the way to a single shot 50bmg. Interesting fact is, the website I got all that information from is based in the UK. With homemade guns, they vary in quality, although a lot of these look pretty damn good. If a shop has had enough practice making these, they could make some very high quality guns.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45640316]I had said before, guns are not hard to make, and plans are all over the internet to make things from the Luty, all the way to a single shot 50bmg. Interesting fact is, the website I got all that information from is based in the UK. With homemade guns, they vary in quality, although a lot of these look pretty damn good. If a shop has had enough practice making these, they could make some very high quality guns.[/QUOTE]There's complete plans for all sorts of things online, going well beyond just firearms. I've even found sorta-accurate plans for a DIY Redeye missile, though the parts it calls for aren't in production anymore. Anyone who could figure out a work-around solution for this problem probably wouldn't even need the plans anyway.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;45644354]There's complete plans for all sorts of things online, going well beyond just firearms. I've even found sorta-accurate plans for a DIY Redeye missile, though the parts it calls for aren't in production anymore. Anyone who could figure out a work-around solution for this problem probably wouldn't even need the plans anyway.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I know, the internet really is a treasure trove of info. Now if you may excuse me, I'm gonna look up the parts list for this DIY cruise missile I just found...
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45646275]Oh, I know, the internet really is a treasure trove of info. Now if you may excuse me, I'm gonna look up the parts list for this DIY cruise missile I just found...[/QUOTE]
You want me to actually give you a guide on how to manufacture a cheap and effective Hamas rocket platform? :v:
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45651991]You want me to actually give you a guide on how to manufacture a cheap and effective Hamas rocket platform? :v:[/QUOTE]
I'd rather not have the Mossad show up to my house...
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45655633]in other words exactly the same as before the ban[/QUOTE]
its safer now than it ever was
'exactly the same' lol
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45652532]"Effective" and "Hamas rocket platform" don't usually go together.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the materials used in manufacture. Hamas has been under blockade for some time, so their current rocket platforms are pretty terrible thanks to material shortages and such. Good rockets can be made with materials found at scrapyards or bought at hardware stores like Lowes or Home Depot.
Another problem is that Hamas is forced to shoot long range rockets, and tends to lower the payload so they are usually ineffective or terribly balanced and end up flipping around in the air. As most rockets used for domestic terrorist operations would require short range, at best 2km, you can increase the payload and use far simpler detonation methods in comparison to impact-burst. One method shared by Oathkeepers and Lightfoot militias in the states is to take one of those large rockets used by 7th grade classes, hollow out some of the innards, pack it with light weight scrap metal and explosive material, and rig up a pre-paid cellphone that has a vibrator device that works via rotation. This device allows you to create a rolling gear system for setting off a charge, and all you have to do is rig the device up to an app which will detonate the phone at a certain GPS coordinate.
I would imagine that direction workout apps would be a good way to go about this. Namely the ones which allow you to select a certain area, and set different elevations and shit. Hell if a parkour app existed, you probably could get the same effect. So long as once you reach the area you need to go the app causes the phone to vibrate, you'll have yourself a device which can be preset for certain heights and altitudes, therefore damage done by air-burst.
But yeah, this is all theory. Most of the time, Hamas rockets and 7th Grade science rockets are pretty shit, and you'd be better off putting some study into them before building a weapon. :v:
[editline]11th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;45630373]extremely low gun crime and a safe society?[/QUOTE]
This depends on how you judge the effects. From what I can see, the matters of "crime decreasing" means little when Australia has become a hotbed for smuggling and producing homemade firearms like the Luty and Holmes machine pistols. It is also up for judgement whether it's better to have semi-autos or automatic firearms in the hands of criminals and thugs. Not to mention that personal freedoms are being limited by the Australian government because they are unsure of how to combat bikie gangs from convincing people to build stuff for them.
Granted, it has decreased certain types of crimes, but it has also increased other crimes. Nothing really can be said at this current moment in time, as murder hasn't really decreased all that much.
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