EA/Origin: If you don't log in for 2 years we'll delete all the games you paid for - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Xion12;31165942]Wait isn't the whole 2 year thing illegal? It's the exact same as stealing regardless of whether or not you agreed to the terms or not. First you pay full price for the game, then they take it back as if you were renting it just because you haven't logged in for 2 years? What if you join the army? What if you one day you want that old nostalgic feeling of playing BF3 again 2 years after you stopped playing it? It's taking something you bought with your hard earned cash and taking it away, which is the definition of stealing.[/QUOTE] I'd have to read the EULA, but I'm guessing registering the product is considered a "subscription" or something similar like Steam. If you buy a retail game hooked to Steam (mw2, Empire: Total War) the same attributes apply - even though you DO buy it retail, and physically hold the copy, the game itself is subscribed to Steam. Your CD is more just a vessel for that delivery. They'll basically tell you if you don't agree to the EULA, to return the product to the store for a refund.

[QUOTE=Sift;31171033]As kneejerk as it is I kinda have to ask, if you don't even log in for 2 years do you even give a shit? Would you really care in the slightest, if it's been abandoned for that long then I think it's safe to say you didn't plan on coming back.[/QUOTE] Have you ever paid for anything that you haven't used for two years

[QUOTE=http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/]13. TERM AND TERMINATION Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time. You understand and agree that the cancellation of your Account or a particular Subscription is your sole right and remedy with respect to any dispute with Valve.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrogenViech;31171925][/QUOTE] Unless I'm mistaken, that is required for shutting down scam accounts or disabling Steam accounts for credit card fraud and similar. EA however say that after 24 months, your entitlements [B]will[/B] expire. I've had Steam accounts that are way older than that who still have games.

I don't get why EA pushes it's developers into making games "better then COD", why in hell would you want to lower yourself? As for Origin, they better not make ME3 Origin-exclusive (apart from retail sellers), since i would like to have all of the series on 1 account.

I'd like to point out that, for once, consoles seem to have something over PCs that even PC gamers can't argue against: a lack of DRM. But, that'd be silly. Of course people are gonna start arguing about it.

Wait does this mean my Red Alert 3 - Uprising will go on Origin?

[QUOTE=sltungle;31172123]I'd like to point out that, for once, consoles seem to have something over PCs that even PC gamers can't argue against: a lack of DRM. But, that'd be silly. Of course people are gonna start arguing about it.[/QUOTE] Consoles have DRM.

Not in the same way as the PC. Some games I NEED to go online to play on the PC, which is bullshit because... what if I didn't have an internet connection? Not played a single game like that on the console. Plus there's none of that 'x install limits' thing on the console 'cause you don't even fucking install the game in the first place.

[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;31172069]I don't get why EA pushes it's developers into making games "better then COD", why in hell would you want to lower yourself? As for Origin, they better not make ME3 Origin-exclusive (apart from retail sellers), since i would like to have all of the series on 1 account.[/QUOTE] I really doubt Mass Effect 3 will be exclusive to Origin, considering you can find Battlefield 3 on Direct2Drive, Gamersgate and that Gamestop one, as well as some others I'm sure. Why should they keep it exclusive to Origin? By saying you want the series on one account, you're implying you want it to be available on Steam. Does it make any difference if it isn't? Buy it on Direct2Drive, download it and forget about your Direct2Drive account. Add a shortcut to Steam and there you go. Only things you'll be missing are links to a Steam forum, a counter of your hours spent on the game and news feeds. But you don't buy games for those features, do you?

EA's been dicks since they first started, nothing really new though, but still FUCK YOU EA!

[QUOTE=DrogenViech;31171925]quote from Valve's ToS[/QUOTE] Yes, we know. Although, I dont see anyone's accounts being canceled if they have bought games.

The only redeeming thing about EA is their support - if you actually get a manager and not someone from India pretending to know what they're doing. This is from last month or so - [URL="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5512246/livesup.txt"]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5512246/livesup.txt[/URL] (I ended up buying BF2 on Steam and as my BC2 key worked on Origin, I asked about it :v:)

[QUOTE=sltungle;31172359]Not in the same way as the PC. Some games I NEED to go online to play on the PC, which is bullshit because... what if I didn't have an internet connection? Not played a single game like that on the console. Plus there's none of that 'x install limits' thing on the console 'cause you don't even fucking install the game in the first place.[/QUOTE] What about console games you purchase digitally

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31159224]I'm betting now that this hit reddit they're going to change it in under a week to save face[/QUOTE] Aside from a few witty comments, no one of reddit is really doing anything.

This guy on EA Live Help isn't even responding to me What the fuck [editline]18th July 2011[/editline] Its the second time I got to get someone on Live Help and its the same person who won't respond to me GOD DAMMIT

What I see happening is this. >Serve your country in military >Get captured by enemy, become POW >Finally get home after several years. Take hot shower. Decide to play Mass Effect 3 >"We're sorry, your copy of Mass Effect 3 has been deleted for inactivity. Please re-purchase the game to play." Way to go, EA, supporting our troops :v:

Good thing I don't plan on ever using it, regardless. [editline]17th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31174210]I bought BF:BC2 and when I tried to play MP, my EA account froze. I wasted £45 on something I only got to play half of. I sent over 10 emails with months inbetween and I never got a response, while a friend that asked about keyboard compability got a reply the same day.[/QUOTE] Because your issue involves money!

You would think that EA would know how people don't like to be screwed with. For the sake of a few text files, they have managed to make a lot of people refuse to use their service, and this happens all the time. When they used that Securom bullshit that only allowed three installs, people refused to use it and the game that it came out with flopped pretty badly and was heavily pirated as a result. They should know by now that fucking people over, especially for some pointless shit doesn't work. This isn't XBOX Live, where provided CoD works 95% of the fanbase are happy, we have higher standards. They pulled a STUPID move that will result in many people outright refusing to use it. Stupid. I wonder if anybody in these companies puts themselves in the shoes of gamers. Hell, they probably don't even re-read their own conditions. [editline]17th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;31173643]What about console games you purchase digitally[/QUOTE] As far as I'm aware they work perfectly fine. With the 360 you may have to connect it to xbox live once just to make sure that you are actually you and you're not pulling a free games scam and then it works just fine. I swap my harddrive between two xboxes all the time and have never had any of my live arcade games give me any trouble. Consoles simply stop you running pirated games (although you can modify the consoles, much like cracking a PC game).

I love how this is both not news and is severely late. A lot of you don't seem to understand what: [quote]contact Origin Help and we'll reconfigure things for you.[/quote] If you've been inactive for 2 years and your games magically disappear, they will reopen your account for you granted that you provide proof of purchase. It's not illegal for them to do this, since users using the Origin service accepted the terms provided when they installed the program and every time they purchased and/or activated a game on Origin. They are basically wiping out inactive accounts; a little housecleaning. They'll warn you ahead of time before they wipe the account so you have time to log into Origin and redeem two more years. If it does wipe your games, you can contact support and they'll re-open the account for you.

[QUOTE=Sourcream&onion;31165869]EA sucks dicks, I lost my BF2 manual(which contains the serial on it), and upon my request to get a new activation code, now they want me to rebuy BF2 directly from them. I may or may not have told the customer service representative my frank and honest opinion of his employer when he informed me of that.[/QUOTE] Honestly what do you expect. All you have to do is google the game's name followed by CD code and you see pages and pages of people claiming to have lost their CD code. We all know that the majority of them have simply pirated it and want to get a legit code for free. You can't really blame EA for that. That would be like forgetting your steam account details entirely (so you had no way of getting it back) and then expecting valve to give you all of your games again for free on the account that you claim to have lost it. It's not going to happen.

EA should be able to work with you though, like ask for a receipt or Proof of Purchase.

[QUOTE=Reimu;31175261]EA should be able to work with you though, like ask for a receipt or Proof of Purchase.[/QUOTE] There would be nothing stopping you borrowing a friends or anything, although I do agree that they could have done something like that. From what he said, it sounded like he got angry with them right away, though.

bullfuck shit

[QUOTE=redBadger;31175184]I love how this is both not news and is severely late. A lot of you don't seem to understand what: If you've been inactive for 2 years and your games magically disappear, they will reopen your account for you granted that you provide proof of purchase. It's not illegal for them to do this, since users using the Origin service accepted the terms provided when they installed the program and every time they purchased and/or activated a game on Origin. They are basically wiping out inactive accounts; a little housecleaning. They'll warn you ahead of time before they wipe the account so you have time to log into Origin and redeem two more years. If it does wipe your games, you can contact support and they'll re-open the account for you.[/QUOTE] To be honest, this is one of those things instantly declared as 'EA are getting rid of your games if you don't use them, what a bunch of assholes' when it is not at all the case. I seem to remember reading in the World of Warcraft ToS that your account 'may be removed' after 6 months of inactivity, and I recently tried again after 3 years of not playing and it still worked fine. People only seem to mention the bad experiences they have had with EA, never the good. A friend of mine had trouble with an EA game and they ended up giving him the expansion for free, for his trouble.

[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;31175440]To be honest, this is one of those things instantly declared as 'EA are getting rid of your games if you don't use them, what a bunch of assholes' when it is not at all the case. I seem to remember reading in the World of Warcraft ToS that your account 'may be removed' after 6 months of inactivity, and I recently tried again after 3 years of not playing and it still worked fine. People only seem to mention the bad experiences they have had with EA, never the good. A friend of mine had trouble with an EA game and they ended up giving him the expansion for free, for his trouble.[/QUOTE] The difference between that is the WoW [B]might[/B] do it. EA [B]will[/B] do it.

[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;31175440]To be honest, this is one of those things instantly declared as 'EA are getting rid of your games if you don't use them, what a bunch of assholes' when it is not at all the case. I seem to remember reading in the World of Warcraft ToS that your account 'may be removed' after 6 months of inactivity, and I recently tried again after 3 years of not playing and it still worked fine. People only seem to mention the bad experiences they have had with EA, never the good. A friend of mine had trouble with an EA game and they ended up giving him the expansion for free, for his trouble.[/QUOTE] I agree. People are only complaining about it because it's EA. I contacted support about my CD key not working with EADM awhile back. I gave them the key and they gave me a 20 dollar code to use for anything in the store. I did the same with my 2142 and I had $40 bucks. I think EA is quite fair and they are a pretty smart business.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;31176012]The difference between that is the WoW [B]might[/B] do it. EA [B]will[/B] do it.[/QUOTE] Not to be a dick, but you are a prime example of what I just said. Valve have a contract/ToS term that states they can remove all your games whenever they feel like with with no arguing or warning, but of course they would [b]never[/b] do that. If, two years after Origin comes out, somebody who hasn't used their account in two years finds it deactivated and EA refuse to reactivate it (which they actually said they would) then fair enough. However, at the moment the hate is purely against EA.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31173643]What about console games you purchase digitally[/QUOTE] On the 360, at least for me, I've had no problem playing games offline, digital or otherwise.

[QUOTE]Q: What happens if EA goes out of business? A: Origin is powered by EA, the leading publisher of the world's best games, and we're not going away anytime soon.[/QUOTE] who says you aren't? I know it'd be very odd if they do so. But still, they just tell that you're fucked if they do go out of business