KKK chapter wants to adopt stretch of Georgia highway - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297351]Al Qaeda isn't a religious fundamentalist group either. They are just freedom fighters and disenfranchised individuals. Just like the Taliban and Black Panthers.[/QUOTE] keep pulling these stupid equivalences out of your ass. eventually you may hit the mark!

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297328]FYI guys, there is a reason citing Wikipedia will get you thrown out of any academic community this side of DeVry.[/QUOTE] FYI, this isn't an academic community

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297359]Are you fucking serious right now?[/QUOTE] You kill innocent people and you're bad. The Black Panthers are bad people. They are racist people. They are scum just like Al Qaeda, The Taliban, the IRA, the KKK, and any other group that kills innocents and preaches an ideology of hatred and violence.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297343]No, Lazor got offended the Black Panthers were mentioned once in the article and everyone flipped on his remarks. No one is defending the KKK, they're just trying to argue that the Black Panthers deserve just as much lack of defense.[/QUOTE] if you don't understand the difference between a reactionary group such as the black panthers and an instigatory group such as the ku klux klan, you have no place commenting on this sort of thing.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297362]FYI, this isn't an academic community[/QUOTE] using wikipedia as anything more than a general overview for yourself to springboard into actual research on a topic is dumb as hell

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297362]FYI, this isn't an academic community[/QUOTE] Clearly.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;36297344]When you boast to someone that you deliberately [b]KILLED[/b] someone. It's murder. He was charged with Voluntary manslaughter. But voluntary manslaughter is where you suddenly murdered someone without any thought to it. Deliberately killing something requires for-thought, which makes it murder.[/QUOTE] that, or he A. was lying and bragging to stroke his ego B. killed him in self defense and didn't feel remorse

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297362]FYI, this isn't an academic community[/QUOTE] I'd still like to know why you can't quote wikipedia as a source, but if you go to Wikipedia, and use the source they quoted instead, it's fine. It's the same info, you're just getting it from different places. [QUOTE=Kopimi;36297383]that, or he A. was lying and bragging to stroke his ego B. killed him in self defense and didn't feel remorse[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it wasn't either of them. Newton has quiet the track record when it comes to crime. He even admitted to murdering someone else afterwards [quote]Newton referred to the killing of Kathleen Smith as "my first non-political murder," and admitted he felt some guilt about killing her[/quote]

[QUOTE]I was presented to the Ku Klux Klan when i was just a baby...the Grand Dragon of Texas and several Knight Hawks and the Grand Cyclopse sprinkled holy water on me and held me up to see the fiery cross. My father was also a Knight Hawk at the time of my birth. There were about 300 Klansmen present for my ceremony...and the same is done for all new babies brought into our Klavern. I'm currently a Grand Giant in Texas' White Knights of the KKK. Good day, and God Bless.[/QUOTE] a bunch of fuckin nerds tell you what

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297371]You kill innocent people and you're bad. The Black Panthers are bad people. They are racist people. They are scum just like Al Qaeda, The Taliban, the IRA, the KKK, and any other group that kills innocents and preaches an ideology of hatred and violence.[/QUOTE] and you're getting this from- [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;36297384]I'd still like to know why you can't quote wikipedia as a source, but if you go to Wikipedia, and use the source they quoted instead, it's fine. It's the same info, you're just getting it from different places.[/QUOTE] Because when you cite wikipedia, you're quoting someone else's interpretation of the source and not the source itself. It's like asking someone what 2+2 equals rather than punching it into a calculator. It's wholly fallible and unreliable.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;36297384]I'd still like to know why you can't quote wikipedia as a source, but if you go to Wikipedia, and use the source they quoted instead, it's fine. It's the same info, you're just getting it from different places.[/QUOTE] sources can be interpreted in different ways and the context of the work(or even the section a citation was taken from) is very important.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;36297384]I'd still like to know why you can't quote wikipedia as a source, but if you go to Wikipedia, and use the source they quoted instead, it's fine. It's the same info, you're just getting it from different places.[/QUOTE] because issues like these occur where words that seem like they have the same meaning can drastically change the interpretation of an incident, all because a wikipedia writer used a bad choice of words

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297374]if you don't understand the difference between a reactionary group such as the black panthers and an instigatory group such as the ku klux klan, you have no place commenting on this sort of thing.[/QUOTE] If you take out the why and look at the actions of both, They're both violent. And I don't understand violence as a justification for violence.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297400]If you take out the why and look at the actions of both, They're both violent. And I don't understand violence as a justification for violence.[/QUOTE] So if someone comes at you with a knife are you going to let them stab you. I distinctly recall you defending self defense and castle doctrine. I guess that doesn't apply if they're black right.

you guys are arguing about the black panthers based on small nuggets of information, which implies that the history of the black panthers could be summed up based on small piece of information. they are incomparable to the KKK because the KKK was an openly white-supremacist para-military group. the black panthers were an open response to a decade in which violence against black people and black leaders were absolutely common, they never had a standing military and eventually due to the leadership fading away it turned into a gang. Huey Newton was an erratic illiterate man who used his criminal activities to fund his own education and ultimately became mad due to his drug use.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297406]So if someone comes at you with a knife are you going to let them stab you. I distinctly recall you defending self defense and castle doctrine. I guess that doesn't apply if they're black right.[/QUOTE] You're implying attacking back is the only method of surviving that situation. Flight, is an option. The crimes the Black Panthers have done don't seem to be self defense. Self defense is one thing, violence against another is something else. Defending yourself is getting yourself to the point of safety, and no further. Anything beyond that is unnecessary and wrong. If I were cornered by the man with the knife, I would do my best to keep him from killing me with the least amount of harm to him or I. If as a very last choice option it came to my need to kill the man, then yeah. But it's not the first option I would choose.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297400]If you take out the why and look at the actions of both, They're both violent. And I don't understand violence as a justification for violence.[/QUOTE] by that logic any form of self defense is invalidated and the perpetrator is instantly evil and bad [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297413]You're implying attacking back is the only method of surviving that situation.[/QUOTE] not at all really

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297413]You're implying attacking back is the only method of surviving that situation.[/QUOTE] Stop dodging. If someone comes at you with a knife, what do you do? Your back is to the wall, they're bearing down on you and you know they've killed before. Do you just let them shank you? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] Because if violence is wrong in all forms, I don't know how the fuck you spent two days defending Castle Doctrine at me.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297421]Stop dodging. If someone comes at you with a knife, what do you do? Your back is to the wall, they're bearing down on you and you know they've killed before. Do you just let them shank you? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] Because if violence is wrong in all forms, I don't know how the fuck you spent two days defending Castle Doctrine at me.[/QUOTE] I edited my post because I originally didn't see you edited yours.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297413]You're implying attacking back is the only method of surviving that situation. Flight, is an option. The crimes the Black Panthers have done don't seem to be self defense. Self defense is one thing, violence against another is something else. Defending yourself is getting yourself to the point of safety, and no further. Anything beyond that is unnecessary and wrong. If I were cornered by the man with the knife, I would do my best to keep him from killing me with the least amount of harm to him or I. If as a very last choice option it came to my need to kill the man, then yeah. But it's not the first option I would choose.[/QUOTE] i'm guessing you're also against the american revolution as well then

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297388] Because when you cite wikipedia, you're quoting someone else's interpretation of the source and not the source itself. It's like asking someone what 2+2 equals rather than punching it into a calculator. It's wholly fallible and unreliable.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. But books can just be unreliable as wikipedia. Just because they describe the events doesn't mean it exactly went down like such, unless it was written by the person who experienced it.

Besides, you're comparing individual attack to an individual attack. The Black Panther is a group who committed crimes not out of personal self defense but in the self defense of blacks.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297371]You kill innocent people and you're bad. The Black Panthers are bad people. They are racist people. They are scum just like Al Qaeda, The Taliban, the IRA, the KKK, and any other group that kills innocents and preaches an ideology of hatred and violence.[/QUOTE] it's obvious you aren't interested in historical context at all. all of those groups have had completely different reasons, justifications, and backgrounds. al qaeda and the taliban themselves are not comparable.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297449]Besides, you're comparing individual attack to an individual attack. The Black Panther is a group who committed crimes not out of personal self defense but in the self defense of blacks.[/QUOTE] does that somehow make it worse? lol

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297413]Flight, is an option. The crimes the Black Panthers have done don't seem to be self defense.[/QUOTE] uhh black people tried flight and the police actively worked against them. flight doesn't work when systematic racism is prevalent. unless you're suggesting all black people should have left america. the black panthers were a response to a back-to-the-wall situation in which black people were actively sought out, tortured and killed by white supremacists who had massive sway in both government and police agencies. Their choices were to abandon their country and allow the systematic persecution continue, or to forgo reliance upon corrupt police and defend themselves. Don't you fucking dare compare that to the KKK. The Black Panthers didn't just go out and say kill whitey. They were black nationalists. They believed in a new black society. They wanted to [I]stay away[/I] from whitey, not usurp him. They were fucking [I]PRO SEGREGATION[/I] for christs sakes. Do more than five god damn minutes of research on wiki-goddamn-pedia and you might learn something. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36297449]The Black Panther is a group who committed crimes not out of personal self defense but in the self defense of blacks.[/QUOTE] so black people aren't allowed to defend themselves from systematic persecution because?

[QUOTE=thisispain;36297469]it's obvious you aren't interested in historical context at all. all of those groups have had completely different reasons, justifications, and backgrounds. al qaeda and the taliban themselves are not comparable.[/QUOTE] Historical context is fine when you are studying the motivations and situations that gave rise to certain groups and ideas. However, no amount of "historical context" can wash the blood off someone's hands. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36297476]uhh black people tried flight and the police actively worked against them. flight doesn't work when systematic racism is prevalent. unless you're suggesting all black people should have left america. the black panthers were a response to a back-to-the-wall situation in which black people were actively sought out, tortured and killed by white supremacists who had massive sway in both government and police agencies. Their choices were to abandon their country and allow the systematic persecution continue, or to forgo reliance upon corrupt police and defend themselves. Don't you fucking dare compare that to the KKK. The Black Panthers didn't just go out and say kill whitey. They were black nationalists. They believed in a new black society. They wanted to [I]stay away[/I] from whitey, not usurp him. They were fucking [I]PRO SEGREGATION[/I] for christs sakes. Do more than five god damn minutes of research on wiki-goddamn-pedia and you might learn something. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] so black people aren't allowed to defend themselves from systematic persecution because?[/QUOTE] Violence is not the only way to defend yourself from systematic persecution. MLK Jr. and Gandhi should have taught you that.

Also, black people tried the "flight" approach of fight-or-flight for like FOUR CENTURIES. It didn't work. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36297483]Violence is not the only way to defend yourself from systematic persecution. MLK Jr. and Gandhi should have taught you that.[/QUOTE] uhhhhhhh martin luther king jr. was assassinated

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297495] uhhhhhhh martin luther king jr. was assassinated[/QUOTE] Your point? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] Oh, so because he died he failed right?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297500]Your point? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] Oh, so because he died he failed right?[/QUOTE] no but he sort of failed at the whole "defense" part considering he was fucking assassinated. he [I]died[/I] he was killed by white supremacists you are literally saying black people should have laid down and died like MLK Jr. what the fuck is wrong with you. do you not realize how racist you sound?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297495]uhhhhhhh martin luther king jr. was assassinated[/QUOTE] So was Gandhi. But that doesn't mean you should disregard their lessons.