KKK chapter wants to adopt stretch of Georgia highway - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297682]Stop saying that. It's wholly irrelevant to the situation.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. You say all violence is wrong and evil. Someone comes at you with a knife. What do you do? Do you lay down and die? You defended Castle Doctrine.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36297686]so by this logic, a holocaust victim who kills a nazi guard to escape is just as bad as the nazis who imprisoned him, because they're both violent and they're both killers you're a joke[/QUOTE] Violence to end an imminent threat is different than violence against an innocent person. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36297694]No it isn't. You say all violence is wrong and evil. Someone comes at you with a knife. What do you do? Do you lay down and die?[/QUOTE] That's wholly irrelevant to the situation. Stop saying that.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297699]Violence to end an imminent threat is different than violence against an innocent person.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. [QUOTE=yawmwen;36297670]Once you realize that violence is violence, then violent individuals are just violent individuals, distinguishable only by the environment that allowed them to commit acts of violence.[/QUOTE] [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] Like how it's only when you're put on the spot that suddenly there's exceptions. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36297699]That's wholly irrelevant to the situation. Stop saying that.[/QUOTE] Answer the god damn question. Are you opposed to violent means of self defense?

There is nothing wrong with pro-race groups until they become violent or offensive to other groups. It's a fact that people prefer stick with their own kind.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297704]Like how it's only when you're put on the spot that suddenly there's exceptions.[/quote] That quote is taken out of context. I was comparing groups who all kill, intimidate, and otherwise use violence against innocent people. Not once did I claim that self defense was in that group. [quote]Answer the god damn question.[/QUOTE] Actually, answer my question. You think someone might come at you with a knife if you walk down the street. What do you do? Do you kill him or not? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] What about intimidate him? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] Also, would it be legal to kill the person?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297727]That quote is taken out of context. I was comparing groups who all kill, intimidate, and otherwise use violence against innocent people. Not once did I claim that self defense was in that group.[/quote] Do not puss out. You said you believe in a simple world, but the INSTANT you're confronted with a contradiction you complicate shit up with exceptions to your little rules. [quote]What do you do? Do you kill him or not?[/QUOTE] If my back is to the wall I kill to save myself. I certainly kill if I'd been running for over four centuries, and the nonviolent ones had a tendency to be fucking murdered. What do you do? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36297727]Also, would it be legal to kill the person?[/QUOTE] Yes.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297699]Violence to end an imminent threat is different than violence against an innocent person. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] That's wholly irrelevant to the situation. Stop saying that.[/QUOTE] who are you to say one form of violence is different than another? who are you to say one is worse or better? by saying one form of violence is more acceptable you just perpetuate a mindset of people justifying their violence by saying "oh! but its ok because it's to stop an imminent threat of violence!" [sp]sound familiar??[/sp]

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;36297717] It's a fact that people prefer stick with their own kind.[/QUOTE] except the people in the black panthers didn't prefer to stick with any kind, they were forced to stick with their kind.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36297757]except the people in the black panthers didn't prefer to stick with any kind, they were forced to stick with their kind.[/QUOTE] Well, the Black Panthers were pro-segregation, unlike the pro-integration half of the Civil Rights Movement. They believed in a segregated black nation run by black people, opposed to the segregated nation run entirely by white people. There were disparities.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297727]Actually, answer my question. You think someone might come at you with a knife if you walk down the street. What do you do? Do you kill him or not? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] What about intimidate him? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] Also, would it be legal to kill the person?[/QUOTE] ugh you always argue the most asinine, bullshit points and constantly dodge peoples questions. even when someone is totally wrong and someone who i completely disagree with, most of the time i don't mind because whatever, i could be wrong too, but you're the one person that is consistently the most dodgy and evasive and overall unpleasant to talk to

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297764]Well, the Black Panthers were pro-segregation, unlike the pro-integration half of the Civil Rights Movement. They believed in a segregated black nation run by black people, opposed to the segregated nation run entirely by white people. There were disparities.[/QUOTE] the thing is that the black panther group had no ideological consensus. that's how bobby seale can say racism is bad against anyone while their members say black nationalist shit.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297744]Do not puss out. You said you believe in a simple world, but the INSTANT you're confronted with a contradiction you complicate shit up with exceptions to your little rules. If my back is to the wall I kill to save myself. I certainly kill if I'd been running for over four centuries, and the nonviolent ones had a tendency to be fucking murdered. What do you do? [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] Yes.[/QUOTE] I asked you a simple question. Your back is not against a wall. You are afraid a man will stab you if you walk down the street. Do you kill or intimidate him? If the answer is yes, you are the same type of thug that I sorely wish didn't exist in the world.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36297813]the thing is that the black panther group had no ideological consensus. that's how bobby seale can say racism is bad against anyone while their members say black nationalist shit.[/QUOTE] Well black nationalism is not necessarily black supremacy. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36297831]I asked you a simple question. Your back is not against a wall. You are afraid a man will stab you if you walk down the street. Do you kill or intimidate him? If the answer is yes, you are the same type of thug that I sorely wish didn't exist in the world.[/QUOTE] Black people's backs [I]were[/I] against the wall. Their non-violent activists were killed with alarming frequency. I assume your first choice is "intimidate," which is hilarious because that's why the Black Panthers wielded shotguns outside of their offices.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297831]I asked you a simple question. Your back is not against a wall. You are afraid a man will stab you if you walk down the street. Do you kill or intimidate him? If the answer is yes, you are the same type of thug that I sorely wish didn't exist in the world.[/QUOTE] maybe you should have some common courtesy and respond to his question if you want to ask him one as well

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36297781]ugh you always argue the most asinine, bullshit points and constantly dodge peoples questions. even when someone is totally wrong and someone who i completely disagree with, most of the time i don't mind because whatever, i could be wrong too, but you're the one person that is consistently the most dodgy and evasive and overall unpleasant to talk to[/QUOTE] If I'm so unpleasant to talk to, then why are you talking to me?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297832] I assume your first choice is "intimidate," which is hilarious because that's why the Black Panthers wielded shotguns outside of their offices.[/QUOTE] sounds like i'm playing fallout good idea for a mod

Answer the question. You've been persecuted for over four centuries. Your nonviolent compatriots are being murdered left and right. Someone comes after you. What do you do?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297832] Black people's backs [I]were[/I] against the wall. Their non-violent activists were killed with alarming frequency. I assume your first choice is "intimidate," which is hilarious because that's why the Black Panthers wielded shotguns outside of their offices.[/QUOTE] My first choice is nothing. Blacks were not in imminent danger. They were in a different type of danger, one that could be changed through nonviolence. If you aren't willing to go with the morally righteous method, then don't be surprised if I call you amoral.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297842]If I'm so unpleasant to talk to, then why are you talking to me?[/QUOTE] Because you're fucking wrong and racist and you need to listen.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297853]Answer the question. You've been persecuted for over four centuries. Your nonviolent compatriots are being murdered left and right. Someone comes after you. What do you do?[/QUOTE] If I am in imminent danger then I act, if I am just suspecting that someone might commit some act of violence against me in the future I don't.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297854]My first choice is nothing. Blacks were not in imminent danger.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Lynching2.jpg/486px-Lynching2.jpg[/img] Do you know what was common practice to do with the body following that ordeal? They dismembered and skinned the body and sold parts as souvenirs to onlookers.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297860]Because you're fucking wrong and racist and you need to listen.[/QUOTE] Call someone a racist when they don't agree with you. Stay classy dude. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36297870][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Lynching2.jpg/486px-Lynching2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I think you're confusing the word "imminent" for another word.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297854] Blacks were not in imminent danger.[/QUOTE] hey dude KKK is in the title malcolm X's father was even killed by a white supremacist.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297872]I think you're confusing the word "imminent" for another word.[/QUOTE] Lynchings were conducted by the police with alarming frequency. Those who spoke against it, such as MLK Jr. or Malcolm X were murdered. What word would you use?

After reading this thread here are my opinions: The Black Panthers aren't totally comparable to the KKK. The Black Panthers were reacting to oppression/harm/whatever, the KKK wasn't (at least in reality, though in there eyes they probably thought so). If I had to 'rate' them, the KKK was worse than the Black Panthers. Ultimately I believe the Black Panthers had a right to DEFEND themselves, but not to ATTACK with violent means. There is a key distinction there. The attack should be done through legal and non-violent means. I think it would have been likely more effective that way anyway. I think a lot of the 'aggression' scared off supporters and made impressionable people think blacks were 'bad' and 'violent' people (see this thread, for example).

[QUOTE=thisispain;36297881]hey dude KKK is in the title malcolm X's father was even killed by a white supremacist.[/QUOTE] Seriously, this motherfucker doesn't understand what it was like living under those conditions, and yet he's totally sure of how black people should have conducted themselves.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36297881]hey dude KKK is in the title malcolm X's father was even killed by a white supremacist.[/QUOTE] Yea, and when someone comes at you with a gun you are in imminent danger. Just being in an area that has violence against blacks doesn't mean you are in imminent danger. Imminent means it is about to happen. There is no doubt that it is happening to you, right now.

[QUOTE=Collin665;36297889]Ultimately I believe the Black Panthers had a right to DEFEND themselves, but not to ATTACK with violent means. There is a key distinction there. The attack should be done through legal and non-violent means.[/QUOTE] Instigation was not the Black Panthers' modus operandi they were black nationalists and pro-segregation. They wanted to get away from whitey, not to hunt whitey down. They acted extremely defensively to those ends, especially following the death of Malcolm X. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36297892]Just being in an area that has violence against blacks doesn't mean you are in imminent danger.[/QUOTE] It's not just an "area" with "violence against blacks." The police were [I]in[/I] on it. There was [I]no one[/I] to stop it from happening. What the FUCK do you suggest, just wait for someone to come down and lynch you before you worry about it? Jesus Christ, you're suggesting [I]COMPLACENCY.[/I] You have absolutely no idea what it was like to live under those conditions. Who the fuck do you think you are to tell black people how they should have reacted?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36297897] It's not just an "area" with "violence against blacks." The police were [I]in[/I] on it. There was [I]no one[/I] to stop it from happening. What the FUCK do you suggest, just wait for someone to come down and lynch you before you worry about it? Jesus Christ, you're suggesting [I]COMPLACENCY.[/I][/QUOTE] I'm suggesting nonviolent activism. There is nothing complacent about it. I'm saying that you don't go and attack people because you are afraid they might hurt you.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36297910]I'm suggesting nonviolent activism. There is nothing complacent about it. I'm saying that you don't go and attack people because you are afraid they might hurt you.[/QUOTE] The nonviolent activists got [I]murdered[/I]. You're suggesting all black people go out and get murdered, because god forbid someone buy a shotgun. You don't see why I'm calling you racist? You're saying that black people should have either put their own lives on the line or shut up and dealt with it.