Another One Bites the Dust: Huntsman Says He’s Quitting G.O.P. Race - Polidicks

[QUOTE=person11;34236223]Half the States in the Union will vote ridiculous shit into law if that occurs. Even without Ron Paul in office, many States in more rural regions have limited abortion to unprecedented levels. Didn't Mississipi have the 'Personhood Amendment' or some shit? We cannot trust States to determine our rights.[/QUOTE] And you want to trust the [I]federal government[/I] to "determine our rights"?? Holy [B][I]SHIT[/I][/B] that is the WORST IDEA I have EVER HEARD.

[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;34236461]Well don't just group in up into that kind of category then. Do it by his policies and actions.[/QUOTE] Okay then. He's just [I]a guy.[/I] Who won't screw everything up, I guess. As far as candidate's go he's the most... bland, I guess? He's infitely better than all the other candidates because he isn't incompetent. So... yeah, just some somewhat innefectual dude who you should vote for if you want things to improve gradually rather than decrease sharply, then improve to decent conditions later.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;34234642]No, Ron Paul has some pretty terrible views. Plan B should be to try and get the stupidest candidate they have so Obama has an easy win.[/QUOTE] haha yeah lol we should just make it super easy for obama to win and not have to defend any of his policies lmao!!

[QUOTE=Kopimi;34236496]haha yeah lol we should just make it super easy for obama to win and not have to defend any of his policies lmao!![/QUOTE] Obama wants change though! Real change! Affordable healthcare! Affordable my ass. My parents migraine medicine went from $30 for 6 tablets to $85 for 3. AFTER insurance. Lemme tell ya, that health care reform is sooooo nice.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34236470]And you want to trust the [I]federal government[/I] to "determine our rights"?? Holy [B][I]SHIT[/I][/B] that is the WORST IDEA I have EVER HEARD.[/QUOTE] It's a shame that the Republican party has to be so bigoted and hypocritical. Imagine if they didn't campaign on their "family values" shit and focused on democracy and not over inflating the "defense" budget.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34236470]And you want to trust the [I]federal government[/I] to "determine our rights"?? Holy [B][I]SHIT[/I][/B] that is the WORST IDEA I have EVER HEARD.[/QUOTE] They have done a good job on Social and Civil Rights at least. I'll be the first to admit that the Federal Government has not done as good a job on things like the Patriot act and the NDAA, etc. I am sure the State governments would do just as terribly with that stuff if they had the power to, though. I guess you could say that the Federal Government is the lesser of 51 evils.

[QUOTE=person11;34236584]They have done a good job on Social and Civil Rights at least. I'll be the first to admit that the Federal Government has not done as good a job on things like the Patriot act and the NDAA, etc. I am sure the State governments would do just as terribly with that stuff if they had the power to, though. I guess you could say that the Federal Government is the lesser of 51 evils.[/QUOTE] The whole point of having separate states is so that each one can have its own spin on issues, and only be able to enforce it on a far smaller scale. This means that a lot of different people can exist in one country, and everyone is still happy. Don't like one state? move to another. You're just as much of an american in this state as you are in that one.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34236470]And you want to trust the [I]federal government[/I] to "determine our rights"?? Holy [B][I]SHIT[/I][/B] that is the WORST IDEA I have EVER HEARD.[/QUOTE] You realize the entire history of civil rights in this country has consisted of the federal government stepping in to prevent states and businesses from persecuting minority populations, right? The state of Arizona has, in the last couple years: -Enacted policing laws that body-slam the door wide open for racial profiling -Funded racist advertisements for incumbents' political campaigns -Banned or attempted to ban Hispanic Studies, African-American Studies, and Native-American Studies courses -Continued to allow the most infamously racist and corrupt sheriff's department in the country to terrorize hispanic citizens Want to find out what they'll do when they're NOT being moderated by the Federal Government? I don't.

[QUOTE=TH89;34236702]You realize the entire history of civil rights in this country has consisted of the federal government stepping in to prevent states and businesses from persecuting minority populations, right? The state of Arizona has, in the last couple years: -Enacted policing laws that body-slam the door wide open for racial profiling -Funded racist advertisements for incumbents' political campaigns -Banned or attempted to ban Hispanic Studies, African-American Studies, and Native-American Studies courses -Continued to allow the most infamously racist and corrupt sheriff's department in the country to terrorize hispanic citizens Want to find out what they'll do when they're NOT being moderated by the Federal Government? I don't.[/QUOTE] You make my state sound like such a wonderful place to live :v:

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34236614]The whole point of having separate states is so that each one can have its own spin on issues, and only be able to enforce it on a far smaller scale. This means that a lot of different people can exist in one country, and everyone is still happy. Don't like one state? move to another. You're just as much of an american in this state as you are in that one.[/QUOTE] Moving is not easy. Especially as costs go up and everyone but the rich has stopped getting more wealthy in the last 40 years. [editline]15th January 2012[/editline] Also, every Presidentiail Candiate with an H in their names is not doing well. The only sucessful candidates so far are Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Obama (though Obama is a given at this point). MicHelle BacHman Herman Cain Newt GingricH Jon Huntsman None of these candidates can win.

[QUOTE=person11;34236883]Moving is not easy. Especially as costs go up and everyone but the rich has stopped getting more wealthy in the last 40 years.[/QUOTE] Moving states is a helluva lot easier than moving countries.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34236614]Don't like one state? move to another. You're just as much of an american in this state as you are in that one.[/QUOTE] You might be just as American, but you'll wind up most likely jobless and away from the people you knew as friends.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34237174]Moving states is a helluva lot easier than moving countries.[/QUOTE] Except you wouldn't have to move countries or states if the government could do their fucking job.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34236614]Don't like one state? move to another. [/QUOTE] moving between states is extremely difficult and it would only become more difficult if states started to separate themselves.

[QUOTE=Edthefirst;34235987]I consider myself crazy far left. I think the Democrats are too "right", but hell, I liked Huntsman. I disagree with a significant portion of his economic policy, BUT he was an intelligent and well reasoned candidate. He has the foreign policy experience, particularly with China, he said the republican party couldn't afford to ignore science, he's adopted a child from China and speaks fluent mandarin, among all the warmongering talk during the debates he was the only one to say any conflict with China is an economic and not military one, and he never took a particularly extreme view for or against major issues. Huntsman, while a conservative, actually appealed to me. At the end of the day it's sad to see a very solid candidate lose out to absolutely batshit insane ones.[/QUOTE] I can respect Huntsman. I can't say the same for the rest. [editline]15th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34237174]Moving states is a helluva lot easier than moving countries.[/QUOTE] Still hard.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34237174]Moving states is a helluva lot easier than moving countries.[/QUOTE] Implying it is easy... Moving states shouldn't even be something you should have to even consider. It sounds ridiculous. States rights is a load of horseshit. I should be able to enjoy the same rights as everyone else in the United States, not just the same people within my arbitrarily designated region. [quote]We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.[/quote] It sounds ridiculous that Americans will be divided on privileges based on geographic region. It seems to spit in the face of everything the first few lines of the declaration of independence calls for.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;34237311]I can respect Huntsman. I can't say the same for the rest. [editline]15th January 2012[/editline] Still hard.[/QUOTE] Still possible.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;34237311]I can respect Huntsman. I can't say the same for the rest. [editline]15th January 2012[/editline] Still hard.[/QUOTE] I think you hit the nail on the head. I may disagree with him on many viewpoints, but I respect him both as a candidate and as a man with a career in foreign service. [editline]16th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34237329]Still possible.[/QUOTE] Again, why this should even be a consideration is beyond me. The United States are after-all united. What's the point of calling it a country if different regions can operate under such vastly different ideals. If states' rights are so incredibly important that certain individuals will be given more freedoms or be more restricted based on region, then the US should just split into 50 different countries entirely and operate with the same open border principals as the EU. Seriously, it baffles me how the US seems to operate as 50 individual countries and not as a single united state.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34237329]Still possible.[/QUOTE] Still a completely unreasonable expectation. If you would honestly prefer a system that says to the oppressed "just move", then you are insane.

Not to mention letting the states decide everything never ends well.

[QUOTE=Swilly;34239538]Not mention letting the states decide everything never ends well.[/QUOTE] It ends in a clusterfuck of laws and ordinances that are often contradictory from one another (on the state and local levels; and indeed many are just pointless), massive levels of confusion, and headaches for the people that have to get involved with the law in any way, shape, or form. Although it worked well when we had 13 states that covered about 400,000 square miles and only about 3.5 million people living here, the fact of the matter is we've got 50 states now that cover 3,794,101 square miles and over 312 million people living here. It's time to start reforming so we can actually get our shit together and do something productive for the first time in quite a long time.

imagine how much romney must have paid him.

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;34239765]It ends in a clusterfuck of laws and ordinances that are often contradictory from one another (on the state and local levels; and indeed many are just pointless), massive levels of confusion, and headaches for the people that have to get involved with the law in any way, shape, or form. Although it worked well when we had 13 states that covered about 400,000 square miles and only about 3.5 million people living here, the fact of the matter is we've got 50 states now that cover 3,794,101 square miles and over 312 million people living here. It's time to start reforming so we can actually get our shit together and do something productive for the first time in quite a long time.[/QUOTE] And after seeing states like Wisconsin completely ignore the Judiciary, you really have to call into question whether you can trusts states to be fair.

[QUOTE=Swilly;34247133]And after seeing states like Wisconsin completely ignore the Judiciary, you really have to call into question whether you can trusts states to be fair.[/QUOTE] One thing's for sure: we can't trust our leaders anymore. They don't lead; they follow and they serve. They follow the money and serve the people that have the money.

[QUOTE=Swilly;34239538]Not to mention letting the states decide everything never ends well.[/QUOTE] imo it does a better job of tailoring things to the population new york isn't the same place as alabama

RIP sanity in the republican party

the only clear choice left is Vermin Supreme

[Quote=Jon Huntsman]"You can't be a perfectly lubricated weather vane on the important issues of the day. Romney has been missing in action in terms of showing any kind of leadership."[/Quote] [Quote=Jon Huntsman]I believe it is now time for our party to unite around the candidate best equipped to defeat Barack Obama. Despite our differences and the space between us on some of the issues, I believe that candidate is Gov. Mitt Romney.[/Quote]

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;34250754][/QUOTE] All Politicians flip flop. For example: Mitt Romney.

[QUOTE=Mon;34247983]imo it does a better job of tailoring things to the population new york isn't the same place as alabama[/QUOTE] That might work for some things, but not others. Should something like gay marriage be allowed to be illegal in Alabama? No. If Alabama wants to set the maximum highway speed limit to 70mph, that's their choice. And New York can set it at 55 or whatever.