Increased Flouride Levels in Drinking Water Correlated With ADHD - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rust666;47272434]THE GOVERNMENT DOESNT FORCE ME TO BREATHE EITHER THANKS FASCIST! Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE] That's a terrible comparison and you [I]should[/I] know why. If people have enough of an issue with the water, you know that they do? Buy their own god damn bottled/distilled/freshly mountain sourced whatever water.

Just sayin, the government doesn't force me to drink water. Hell I have well water, I actually wish I had fluoride in my water.

[QUOTE=Deng;47272344]What harm does it cause? We've established it causes good in the form of dental health.[/QUOTE] No we haven't, it is not proven to be 100% safe and effective, and I have the right to refuse medication.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272631]No we haven't, it is not proven to be 100% safe and effective, and I have the right to refuse medication.[/QUOTE] What are the health problems of consuming fluoride with the low concentrations typically used in domestic water exactly? We know that very high doses can results in various medical problems, but those are doses far beyond the quantities put in normal water.

Why are you guys even comparing natural levels of fluoride in water found in different regions, while this is about adding Hexafluorosilicic acid to your drinking water? [editline]6th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Deng;47272661]What are the health problems of consuming fluoride with the low concentrations typically used in domestic water exactly? We know that very high doses can results in various medical problems, but those are doses far beyond the quantities put in normal water.[/QUOTE] We have a right to not be tested on with different drugs.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272668]Why are you guys even comparing natural levels of fluoride in water found in different regions, while this is about adding Hexafluorosilicic acid to your drinking water?[/quote] It turns into fluoride ions. [quote]We have a right to not be tested on with different drugs.[/QUOTE] This isn't a countrywide experiment. It's been done for decades and has been well-established by scientific and medical authorities of its efficacy.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272668]Why are you guys even comparing natural levels of fluoride in water found in different regions, while this is about adding Hexafluorosilicic acid to your drinking water? [editline]6th March 2015[/editline] We have a right to not be tested on with different drugs.[/QUOTE] Because the scary sounding chemical you just named rapidly hydrolyses at neutral pH to give fluoride ions, silicon dioxide and protons.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;47272692]Because the scary sounding chemical you just named rapidly hydrolyses at neutral pH to give fluoride ions, silicon dioxide and protons.[/QUOTE] Exactly, so why don't you add it to your own water then?

If you're scared of all the fluorine in your water, Alex Jones has a [url=http://store.infowars.com/Filtered-Water-Pitcher_p_813.html]product[/url] for you!

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272697]Exactly, so why don't you add it to your own water then?[/QUOTE] Because I can't buy it. I have no qualms with someone adding controlled amounts of it to the water supply to adjust the fluoride concentration in the water such that it provides optimal dental health benefits while avoiding the detrimental health effects seen at higher concentrations.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272697]Exactly, so why don't you add it to your own water then?[/QUOTE] I would if I could. There's a lot of shit I would eat, drink, or use in some way to make a point about that they aren't harmful. Most opposition to fluoridated water is based on the assumption its somehow a poison. Everything is a poison, it all depends on the dosage. Fluoride in water will not harm you if you have little of it. Alcohol will not harm you if you have a little of it.

[QUOTE=Rust666;47272410]But it isn't bad for you. It's just better yo get more minerals. Don't be stupid.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.livestrong.com/article/372479-what-are-the-dangers-of-drinking-distilled-water/[/url] [QUOTE]Mineral Deficiencies Drinking distilled water robs your body of its natural source for many minerals essential to good health. This results in mineral loss in the body with increases your risk for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, hypertension, coronary artery disease and premature aging.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Tooth Decay Because distilled water does not contain any fluoride, dentists are beginning to see an increased number of cavities in young children who drink bottled water. Consumers believe bottled, distilled water is safer than the water supplies in their local communities.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Electrolyte Imbalance The WHO and others studied the use of distilled water and found that because it is stripped of all minerals it can cause electrolyte imbalances in your body. Your body will leach electrolytes from your tissues in order to add them to the mineral free water you are drinking. This is necessary so that your body can function normally and eliminate waste. If the water redistribution process in your body is not functioning properly, you may experience fatigue, weakness, headache, muscle cramps and an abnormal heart rate.[/QUOTE] Drinking pure water is absolutely bad for you, what the fuck are you saying? Fluoride, minerals, and everything else absolutely are needed. there is a very good reason fluoride is in water, and that's because tooth health is an important part of your personal health. Tooth infections, if left untreated, can actually kill you. Yes it is necessary for fluoride to be in water. People who can't afford tooth paste need to have SOME kind of way to clean their teeth, and this is how. It also benefits those who can afford it. I'd rather drink and eat foods that have "bad" chemicals in them but actually have some kind of nutritional value than food/drinks that have the nutritional value of cardboard.

[QUOTE=opaali;47271756]Or they could teach them to be active so you wouldn't have to poison yourself from drinking water[/QUOTE] To even reach fluoride toxicity from drinking water you would have to consume at least 14 gallons of water (figure calculated by maximum allowed level of fluoride in drinking water by EPA, actual levels of fluoride are much lower than said level used for making this point). One would drown on a cellular level before they could consume that much water in a period by which one wouldn't have had the time to expel excess fluoride from the body. Nice try though.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;47272704]Because I can't buy it. I have no qualms with someone adding controlled amounts of it to the water supply to adjust the fluoride concentration in the water such that it provides optimal dental health benefits while avoiding the detrimental health effects seen at higher concentrations.[/QUOTE] So just because you can't afford to pay a few cents a day for some fluoride supplements or toothpaste, we need to force your medication onto everyone else in the world?

[QUOTE=Dr.C;47272702]If you're scared of all the fluorine in your water, Alex Jones has a [url=http://store.infowars.com/Filtered-Water-Pitcher_p_813.html]product[/url] for you![/QUOTE] $70 for a water filter, and the replacement filters cost $40. Jesus Christ. The power of fear as a marketing technique cannot be underestimated.

[QUOTE=Deng;47272718]I would if I could. There's a lot of shit I would eat, drink, or use in some way to make a point about that they aren't harmful. Most opposition to fluoridated water is based on the assumption its somehow a poison. Everything is a poison, it all depends on the dosage. Fluoride in water will not harm you if you have little of it. Alcohol will not harm you if you have a little of it.[/QUOTE] But you still have no right to force it upon me, just like you can't force me to drink alcohol, even if you do keep on insisting that a little bit doesn't harm me.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272737]So just because you can't afford to pay a few cents a day for some fluoride supplements or toothpaste, we need to force your medication onto everyone else in the world?[/QUOTE] This isn't about you or me, this is about society as a whole. If fluoridation of the drinking supply brings down the incidence of dental caries without affecting anyone's health otherwise, I don't see anything wrong with it. Besides, what if I want the convenience of simply having to drink water from the tap (which I already do anyway) to get my daily dose of fluoride?

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;47272739]$70 for a water filter, and the replacement filters cost $40. Jesus Christ. The power of fear as a marketing technique cannot be underestimated.[/QUOTE] I don't know man, those chemtrails are very serious!

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272743]But you still have no right to force it upon me, just like you can't force me to drink alcohol, even if you do keep on insisting that a little bit doesn't harm me.[/QUOTE] You have no right to force me to drink water that provides sub-optimal benefits to my dental health.

[QUOTE=draugur;47272731]To even reach fluoride toxicity from drinking water you would have to consume at least 14 gallons of water (figure calculated by maximum allowed level of fluoride in drinking water by EPA, actual levels of fluoride are much lower than said level used for making this point). One would drown on a cellular level before they could consume that much water in a period by which one wouldn't have had the time to expel excess fluoride from the body. Nice try though.[/QUOTE] You're forgetting that you're also absorbing it through your skin every time you shower or take a bath.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272737]So just because you can't afford to pay a few cents a day for some fluoride supplements or toothpaste, we need to force your medication onto everyone else in the world?[/QUOTE] So just because you can't afford a few dollars a day to buy food for your family we need to force YOUR hunger needs onto everyone else in the world?

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272763]You're forgetting that you're also absorbing it through your skin every time you shower or take a bath.[/QUOTE] The amount absorbed through that route is measured in micrograms or less. It is negligible.

Some of the "big name" studies have been epidemiological studies. All it concludes is that animal/in-vitro studies are required to further investigate

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;47272759]You have no right to force me to drink water that provides sub-optimal benefits to my dental health.[/QUOTE] "You have no right to not give me what I want!" What exactly are you entitled to again? Go do some work, and you'll be able to afford to spend a few cents of your medication. [editline]6th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=draugur;47272771]So just because you can't afford a few dollars a day to buy food for your family we need to force YOUR hunger needs onto everyone else in the world?[/QUOTE] You don't die from not fluoridating you water like you do from not eating. That's a terrible comparison and you know it.

[quote] Although more research is needed to investigate the relationship between exposure to fluoridated water and increased ADHD prevalence, there are two main pathways by which exposure to fluoridated water could theoretically contribute to the disorder. First, silicofluoride-treated water has been shown to corrode lead-bearing plumbing, increasing the leaching of lead in the water [66]. Silicofluorides appear to react synergistically with lead, which in turn, increases its uptake into the body [27]. [/quote] Interesting thing to mention. So the flouride might not directly contribute to ADHD, but it could lead to the ingestion of lead, which is well known for having a negative mental health impact

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272778]"You have no right to not give me what I want!" What exactly are you entitled to again? Go do some work, and you'll be able to afford to spend a few cents of your medication. [editline]6th March 2015[/editline] You don't die from not fluoridating you water like you do from not eating. That's a terrible comparison and you know it.[/QUOTE] It is NOT medication. It is a supplement at best, and even then the accuracy of such a label is tenuous, given that fluoride exists in groundwater at some level.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272743]But you still have no right to force it upon me, just like you can't force me to drink alcohol, even if you do keep on insisting that a little bit doesn't harm me.[/QUOTE] It isn't being forced upon you. You live in a society that has public goods provided by a government which generally tends to do things for the common good. Considering that governments have done worse than adding a few fluoride ions to water. Water fluoridation is perhaps the most fucking trivial thing to be up in arms about. It's harmless.

[QUOTE=Trumple;47272807]Interesting thing to mention. So the flouride might not directly contribute to ADHD, but it could lead to the ingestion of lead, which is well known for having a negative mental health impact[/QUOTE] That's more of an issue of still using lead plumbing, though. Which is something that should have been phased out years ago.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272778] You don't die from not fluoridating you water like you do from not eating. That's a terrible comparison and you know it.[/QUOTE] You also don't die from fluoridating your water. There is literally no health impact beyond what is said by crackpots, non-peer reviewed fringe studies and non-peer reviewed frigne studies done by crackpots.

[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47272763]You're forgetting that you're also absorbing it through your skin every time you shower or take a bath.[/QUOTE] What the christ are you? Some kind of plant? The effects of osmosis on human skin aren't anywhere near enough to absorb most things (extremely toxic chemicals aside, of which none are in the drinking water you bathe in).