David Cameron will not run for a third term, if re-elected this year
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This is a really good thread, thanks for the explanations.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47385282]Say what you will about Boris, Osborne or Teresa May but they're all more competent than any of their counterparts in the Labour party.[/QUOTE]
Dunno about you, but I'd definitely prefer Yvette Cooper over Theresa May.
May is such a horrible old bitch, I'd hate for her to be in power.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47383203]I'd vote conservative just for Boris, sound silly but he's just so wacky and funny.[/QUOTE]
Congrats, you just fell for the ploy that he and the conservative party are pulling to attract young and undecided voters.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;47385146]You're listing his positives attributes there. It's hard [I]not[/I] to be a eurosceptic with the current economic climate they're projecting onto us all. I absolutely want to be in the EU, but we're getting a little bit screwed by their shit lately (Remember that masssive fucking outrageous bill that Cameron recently refused to pay?). Now, if the EU was functioning perfectly, and without Greece dragging it down, then yeah I could see why Euroscepticism would be shunned, but as it presently stands, some perfectly valid points are being made.
Disclaimer: Please don't think I'm a UKIP supporter, because I don't want the referendum, or out of the EU, I just want it to be fixed.
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Nothing other than economically repair the country :v: A lot of people unfortunately are still stuck in the mindset of the 70's with Thatcher, but the Conservatives aren't anywhere near as right-wing as they used to be. A lot of people are claiming about them privatising the NHS. Well that's not true, because they're only talking about giving the private sector free roam over the technology used in the NHS, it's not a backdoor to privatise the whole thing, the only thing we'd notice is a better standard of equipment in our hospitals, freeing up NHS spending on other things like care quality and staffing. There's also the "theyra takin our rights away!" Well, this is only referring to the fact that we want to repeal the European Human Rights Act, and this is the half of the story that unfortunately people are only hearing of (it's so fucking popular to slander the Conservatives on social media sites - See that fucking outrageous holocaust comparison). When in actual fact, it is to replace it with our own British Bill of Rights. That we control in our country, without any intervening from Geneva or Brussels. They're not going to suddenly make torture and slavery legal again, they will be the very same rights, but more catered to the British people, and protected from any interference.
Saying all of this, I think the general hatred towards the Conservatives comes from the rise in tuition fees. Which, yeah, is shitty and nobody can sanely argue with that.[/QUOTE]
economically repair the country? is that a joke?
[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/21/uk-borrowing-_n_4316084.html"]this tory government has created more debt than [I]every labour government combined[/I][/URL], (the full calculation [URL="http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/george-osborne-debt-monger.html"]here[/URL]) and i am by no means a 'labour supporter'.
[QUOTE=Bobie;47386592]economically repair the country? is that a joke?
[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/21/uk-borrowing-_n_4316084.html"]this tory government has created more debt than [I]every labour government combined[/I][/URL], and i am by no means a 'labour supporter'.[/QUOTE]
That argument is contemptibly bad. In the last 2 years of the Last Labour government, they raised borrowing so much that they themselves probably borrowed more than every Labour government combined and no-one could seriously expect the Coalition to cut borrowing so fast that they wouldn't have borrowed "as much as every Labour government combined" because they didn't have a choice but to continue with the borrowing which Labour started due to the terrible economic situation they were left with.
Besides it's completely disingenious for the Huffington post to say that anyway because judging from their political bias, they support more borrowing anyway.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47386631]That argument is contemptibly bad. In the last 2 years of the Last Labour government, they raised borrowing so much that they themselves probably borrowed more than everyone Labour government combined and no-one could seriously expect the Coalition to cut borrowing so fast that they wouldn't have borrowed "as much as every Labour government combined" because they didn't have a choice but to continue with the borrowing which Labour started due to the terrible economic situation they were left with.
Besides it's completely disingenious for the Huffington post to say that anyway because judging from their political bias, they support more borrowing anyway.[/QUOTE]
they didn't have a choice? then why would osborne make promises he couldn't hope to keep? he predicted the national debt to be 1.2 trillion by late 2012 yet it still sits at 1.4 trillion?
200 billion is a lot of money to have made a mistake with. where is the competence from osborne you speak of? any monkey can create austerity, i'd imagine that someone who was more competent would have made better judgement.
[quote]In the last 200 years of economic history there have only been three prolonged periods of debt accumulation worse than George Osborne's tenure as Chancellor of the Exchequer: The First World War (+110% of GDP), the Second World War (+100% of GDP) and the tenure of Tory Chancellor Nicholas Vansittart 1812-1823 (+64% of GDP).[/quote]
and do right wingers always criticise a news outlet when it says something they don't agree with? the news comes straight from the Office for National Statistics and not huffpo if that means anything to you. you can find this news anywhere else.
I think this graph shows a lot about the supposed recovery of our economy since 2008.
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It's not thousands of new jobs, it's 1000 old jobs turned into 3000 part time/zero hour jobs.
Also while the average income of the nation is 'back to pre crisis levels', it is mainly pensioners who are doing well whilst everyone else is still down, especially young people who are really being hit.
[t]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/625/media/images/81391000/gif/_81391956_household_income_by_age_624.gif[/t]
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It's not thousands of new jobs, it's 1000 old jobs turned into 3000 part time/zero hour jobs.
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You're right it's not thousands of jobs, it's millions a tiny amount of which are part time
[IMG]http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/files/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-23-at-20.56.24-581x413.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=The mouse;47386733]You're right it's not thousands of jobs, it's millions a tiny amount of which are part time
[IMG]http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/files/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-23-at-20.56.24-581x413.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
And the self employed trend? Self employed has less job security, less stability and is very often used to avoid paying the worker as much.
That self employed percent is also increasing, suggesting a general shift toward less pay add less security.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;47386804]And the self employed trend? Self employed has less job security, less stability and is very often used to avoid paying the worker as much.
That self employed percent is also increasing, suggesting a general shift toward less pay add less security.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that a lot of those self employed people could be people who have (or are attempting to) set up businesses due to being unable to get a job.
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