Battlefield 3 Exclusive DLC Weapons for Select Pre-orders Strike a Nerve
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So you should go ahead and not buy it.
BC2 did a good job with any form of unlocks of any kind not being un-balanced but just extra stuff so I don't see this as a problem and I don't see everybody elses problem with it either.
I hugely dislike DLC and especially when they announce DLC before the fucking game is even out. But DLC for pre-order is something I see as a good thing, because seriously, shouldn't there be some positive sides to pre-ordering rather than just "Get to play the game the second we manage to fix it after everyone tries to access the game right away when it was supposed to be released"? I think so, and DLC exclusives or temporary exclusives is definitely a good way to go as long as it doesn't give you advantages over others in the game.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;30420592]Have you ever purchased a PC game (without any extras or "special editions") for $59.99 before 2008?[/QUOTE]
yeah
[QUOTE=dgg;30420597]BC2 did a good job with any form of unlocks of any kind not being un-balanced but just extra stuff so I don't see this as a problem and I don't see everybody elses problem with it either.
I hugely dislike DLC and especially when they announce DLC before the fucking game is even out. But DLC for pre-order is something I see as a good thing, because seriously, shouldn't there be some positive sides to pre-ordering rather than just "Get to play the game the second we manage to fix it after everyone tries to access the game right away when it was supposed to be released"? I think so, and DLC exclusives or temporary exclusives is definitely a good way to go as long as it doesn't give you advantages over others in the game.[/QUOTE]
The whole POINT of pre-ordering is to secure the game and make sure you have it as soon as it launches though.
I can see including purely cosmetic content as being fine, but actual game content that's tied to certain retailers?
[QUOTE=dgg;30420597]BC2 did a good job with any form of unlocks of any kind not being un-balanced but just extra stuff so I don't see this as a problem and I don't see everybody elses problem with it either.
I hugely dislike DLC and especially when they announce DLC before the fucking game is even out. But DLC for pre-order is something I see as a good thing, because seriously, shouldn't there be some positive sides to pre-ordering rather than just "Get to play the game the second we manage to fix it after everyone tries to access the game right away when it was supposed to be released"? I think so, and DLC exclusives or temporary exclusives is definitely a good way to go as long as it doesn't give you advantages over others in the game.[/QUOTE]
Giving you some bonus for pre-ordering the game, as in "Thank you for trusting us before you even saw the final product" is good, but it's complete bullshit when there's stuff exclusive per retailer.
[QUOTE=meppers;30420403]everybody is missing the big "fuck off EA" part though
BF3 will NOT be on steam
the digital version will ONLY be sold on EA's own orion PC download service[/QUOTE]
Wow.
So your telling me that I will have to make an account and download software in order to play one game, and never use it again afterwards.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;30420627]The whole POINT of pre-ordering is to secure the game and make sure you have it as soon as it launches.[/QUOTE]
That's the main point, yes. But I really don't see the attractiveness in it because then you could just as well buy it the instant you have access to your PC after it's released and you would just spend a minute more than if you pre-ordered it to get the ball rolling.
[QUOTE=alphatwo;30420643]Wow.
So your telling me that I will have to make an account and download software in order to play one game, and never use it again afterwards.[/QUOTE]
Well their plan is that you will use it again.
It's not like Rockstar and the social club, where you were required to launch a completely useless software to run GTA IV.
[QUOTE=STeel;30420635]Giving you some bonus for pre-ordering the game, as in "Thank you for trusting us before you even saw the final product" is good, but it's complete bullshit when there's stuff exclusive per retailer.[/QUOTE]
It's certainly an odd idea and I agree they should just stick to one thing for all.
[QUOTE=meppers;30420403]everybody is missing the big "fuck off EA" part though
BF3 will NOT be on steam
the digital version will ONLY be sold on EA's own orion PC download service[/QUOTE]
Got any announcement of that?
Because all I see is their usually strategy of letting it be pre-orderable on Steam first when there is a month or less before the game is released, which is plenty of time to pre-order.
[QUOTE=dgg;30420658]That's the main point, yes. But I really don't see the attractiveness in it because then you could just as well buy it the instant you have access to your PC after it's released and you would just spend a minute more than if you pre-ordered it to get the ball rolling.[/QUOTE]
A game is a game. Why should it be different depending on when you bought it?
Game preordering is moving from securing a game as soon as it launches, to a way to just get people to buy it at full price in order to get exclusive content.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;30420555]Still EA though, and Dice made the multiplayer for that game. So at this point, it is REALLY likely. We all know how EA rushes games out before they're truly finished (Mercenaries 2) and it's likely at this point EA will kick BF3 out the door too early and sell the rest of the game and DLC.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, Medal of Honor, at least the multiplayer component, was developed in a year or less hence the terribleness, we started hearing about BF3 in about 2007, 2008, which would mean it was in planning since BF2, and then in development since whenever the right tech started coming in. That coupled with a dev team double that of BC2 and quadruple that of BF2, and the fact that so much is riding on BF3 in terms of the type of gameplay it brings back to the fps multiplayer market, means that EA wouldn't (hopefully) rush it.
EA rushed DA2 because they didn't realize DA: O would be a success. They rush sports games every year because they know they'll be a success because sports gamers will always buy the new version. Fps gamers, and pc fps gamers to be specific are very picky, and by focusing on the PC which DICE has, a lot rides on BF3 for the continued success of one of EA's biggest franchises. They would not, and from what we've seen have not, rushed the game at all.
Instead of rushing it, they instead cuts bits off to use as enticement for buying from certain retailers like the physcial warfare pack for game, a beret and shotgun for Play4free from Origin, and the karkand pack for seemingly everywhere that is now selling the game. Still frustrating to see.
[QUOTE=STeel;30420667]Well their plan is that you will use it again.
It's not like Rockstar and the social club, where you were required to launch a completely useless software to run GTA IV.[/QUOTE]
The same thing happened with Microsoft LIVE.
It went "hey look at me you can buy games off me!" and I went oh cool but I still had a perfectly functional downloading service and never touched LIVE.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;30420716]A game is a game. Why should it be different depending on when you bought it?
Game preordering is moving from securing a game as soon as it launches, to a way to just get people to buy it at full price in order to get exclusive content.[/QUOTE]
I think that this is because in the past pre ordering something literally meant that you secured a copy before the retailer will run out of copies, but with electronic distribution that idea is kind of obsolete.
[editline]13th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=alphatwo;30420728]The same thing happened with Microsoft LIVE.
It went "hey look at me you can buy games off me!" and I went oh cool but I still had a perfectly functional downloading service and never touched LIVE.[/QUOTE]
Heh, and the sad thing is that it's still incorporated in some games.
For no apparent reason.
They did the same thing with Medal of Honor, guns such as the M60 were only exclusive to Gamestop customers.
I wonder how are people living outside of the US or wherever these stores are, are supposed to get this content even if they really wanted to.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;30420716]A game is a game. Why should it be different depending on when you bought it?
Game preordering is moving from securing a game as soon as it launches, to a way to just get people to buy it at full price in order to get exclusive content.[/QUOTE]
Because a game is a commercial product made by companies that wants to maximize profit. What better way to please us whilst pleasing their income by giving the customers special benefits for securing themselves a copy of their game early before the game even get reviews?
And I sure as hell want some extra benefits for pre-ordering, if not what is the point? It's all digital now, I don't have to spend time to get the game and installing is done in minutes. There is absolutely no point in pre-ordering a game if there is no benefit to it and that's exactly what they have figured out too and met up with customer demands by giving benefits for pre-ordering their games.
[QUOTE=STeel;30420667]Well their plan is that you will use it again.
It's not like Rockstar and the social club, where you were required to launch a completely useless software to run GTA IV.[/QUOTE]
GFWL hnnngh
[QUOTE=STeel;30420764]I wonder how are people living outside of the US or wherever these stores are, are supposed to get this content even if they really wanted to.[/QUOTE]
When did most companies of any kind really give a fuck about anything outside the USA unless they had to?
[QUOTE=markfu;30420554]I don't remember reading any announcements about it not being on steam, especially since the digital version is already pre-ordereable on D2D, gamestop, and other retailers with digital version.s
Now we're on that slippery slope between facts and blind speculation. Do some more research before making these sorts of accusations other than "its not there, that means its nowhere"[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm fairly sure that people are reading it wrong as well. The bonuses are exclusive, not the game.
[QUOTE=dgg;30420775]Because a game is a commercial product made by companies that wants to maximize profit. What better way to please us whilst pleasing their income by giving the customers special benefits for securing themselves a copy of their game early before the game even get reviews?
And I sure as hell want some extra benefits for pre-ordering, if not what is the point? It's all digital now, I don't have to spend time to get the game and installing is done in minutes. There is absolutely no point in pre-ordering a game if there is no benefit to it and that's exactly what they have figured out too and met up with customer demands by giving benefits for pre-ordering their games.[/QUOTE]
It's just that the content shouldn't be exclusive and shouldn't have an actual impact on the game.
Gamers shouldn't miss out on content just because they didn't pre-order. If there's going to be pre-order exclusive content for games, the content should be purely cosmetic, or something "outside" of the game.
[QUOTE=STeel;30420764]I wonder how are people living outside of the US or wherever these stores are, are supposed to get this content even if they really wanted to.[/QUOTE]
The UK is the only place to get the exclusive content. Game and gamestation are the retailers who get the physical warfare pack.
The US, Canada, and to an extent the rest of Europe is getting shafted. Back to Karkand is guaranteed for everyone who preorders, and for those who don't they can pick it up whenever the people working on it release it.
[editline]12th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=dgg;30420812]When did most companies of any kind really give a fuck about anything outside the USA unless they had to?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.battlefield.com/uk/battlefield3/blog/battlefield-3-limited-edition-physical-warfare-pack-available[/url]
[quote]Claim battlefield superiority this Autumn! [URL="http://www.ea.com/uk/battlefield3"]The Battlefield 3[/URL] Limited Edition: Physical Warfare Pack is now available for pre-order exclusively at [URL="http://www.game.co.uk/lowdown.aspx?lid=15388&cm_sp=battlefield-_-topnav-_-battlefield3"]GAME[/URL] and [URL="http://www.gamestation.co.uk/gs/battlefield-3-limited-edition-118273"]Gamestation[/URL] in the [b]UK.[/b][/quote]
notice that its the UK who get it
Making maps pre-order bonus is a retarded idea.
[editline]12th June 2011[/editline]
DLCs should be comestic stuff that have no direct effect on the gameplay.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;30420815]It's just that the content shouldn't be exclusive and shouldn't have an actual impact on the game.
Gamers shouldn't miss out on content just because they didn't pre-order. If there's going to be pre-order exclusive content for games, the content should be purely cosmetic, or something "outside" of the game.[/QUOTE]
Different guns that doesn't give advantages doesn't make an impact on the game. And it should be exclusive, temporarily or permanently, otherwise it loses the whole exclusivity to the pre-order.
They shouldn't miss out on important content, no.
[editline]13th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=markfu;30420828][url]http://www.battlefield.com/uk/battlefield3/blog/battlefield-3-limited-edition-physical-warfare-pack-available[/url][/QUOTE]
I see. Doesn't say much when it's a Swedish company developing the damn game though.
[QUOTE=dgg;30420990]Different guns that doesn't give advantages doesn't make an impact on the game. And it should be exclusive, temporarily or permanently, otherwise it loses the whole exclusivity to the pre-order.
They shouldn't miss out on important content, no.
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Only cosmetic bullshit that have no impact on the game play should be sold/given as dlc/pre-order bonus, not weapons and fuckin maps.
[QUOTE=dgg;30420990]Different guns that doesn't give advantages doesn't make an impact on the game. And it should be exclusive, temporarily or permanently, otherwise it loses the whole exclusivity to the pre-order.[/QUOTE]
Are you shitting me? Exclusive guns don't give advantages?
Why should people miss out on actual game-altering content such as guns and ammo just because they didn't pre-order?
Judging by some of the offers, class options and weapon modding, I really lose hope that this is going to be a BF2 with better everything, and more like BC2 with a little larger scale.
Call me a fool or old styled, but I was sincerely hoping for BF2 on a modern engine, and perhaps with some tweaks only, and more content for it.
[QUOTE=SomTervo;30419878]pre order dlc is dumb, no exceptions[/QUOTE]
It's okay with single player games like New Vegas or Dead Space 2
[QUOTE=aydin690;30421081]Only cosmetic bullshit that have no impact on the game play should be sold/given as dlc/pre-order bonus, not weapons and fuckin maps.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt those weapons are going to change anything for anyone. They weren't that stupid in BC2 and I see no reason why they should suddenly be that in BF3.
Maps I agree with, unless they are temporarily exclusive, even though they shouldn't be DLC in the first place, but just put directly into the game for everyone.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;30421118]Are you shitting me? Exclusive guns don't give advantages?
Why should people miss out on actual game-altering content such as guns and ammo just because they didn't pre-order?[/QUOTE]
They don't. There is no advantage to a gun that looks different but is just as good/bad as the other guns.
Why not as long as it doesn't give them advantages in the game which balanced weapons don't? It makes people buy the game, that's the whole point with pre-orders, increasing the amount of sales.
I'll live with this if they add modding tools. Those are the gamebreaker for me. I've always played games with a lot of community stuff, and if BF3 doesn't fit that bill I probably won't buy it.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;30421652]I'll live with this if they add modding tools. Those are the gamebreaker for me. I've always played games with a lot of community stuff, and if BF3 doesn't fit that bill I probably won't buy it.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt they will do that.
After all, how would they sell DLC then?
It's a well known fact that the community is way better and more creative than the game producers and thus must be stopped form being able to mod the games as it will ruin the attractiveness of DLC. Fuck the fact that it will make the game more fun to play for many years to come and make more people wanting it many years after as well.
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