Battlefield 3 Exclusive DLC Weapons for Select Pre-orders Strike a Nerve
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I'm getting so sick of the entire gaming industry pulling this shit. A good pre-order would be offering the prequel at a discounted price in a pre-order pack or extra superficial items, not items that actually give a benefit over players who choose not to purchase pre-launch. I am paying for a full game, I want the full game.
Oh, and if they're really not going to put it on Steam, I won't be buying.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30426919]Well at least it's not as bad as LA Noire's. They took entire cases out of the game and made them pre order exclusive.[/QUOTE]
Seriously?
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a new age of cinema is born
now that I think about it, isn't 3D just DLC for movies?
BF3 is going to be great but I'm all for an all-out angry mob to get the message over to those marketing executives at EA.
Dick move.
Not enough of a dick move to make me not buy the game, anyway.
Edit: before you rate dumb, hear me out on this.
I am looking forward to this game. I think this game will be a lot of fun. Sure, there's the dickery mentioned in this thread, but if I put it on the scales (MY scales), the good stuff outweighs the dickery.
[b]BUT YOU'RE DECIDING THE FUTURE OF THE INDUSTRY HERE![/B] I don't give a shit. Everyone has their own line which, once a company crosses it, the product will not be purchased. For me, the line gets crossed at subscription-based gaming and stupid, 15$ DLC: Call of Duty Elite for example has put the final nail in the coffin that is Call of Duty (for me, at least). Battlefield hasn't. Why? Because they haven't pushed towards that line yet. When they do, I'll stop buying Battlefield games.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;30420155]Why not just sell one type of BF3 so everyone's happy?[/QUOTE]
That's communism.
[QUOTE=TurbisV2;30424205]i'd rather not risk losing out on content, i will buy the game anyway i was just hoping to have my pc fully upgraded before then.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing that stops you from pre-ordering it the day before.
The boycott could have affected it by then.
[QUOTE=Leather Belt;30424407]That doesn't degrade it as a game, it's just making it harder for me to want to pick it up if I can't get it on Steam. I don't like losing my discs or cd-keys and with Steam I don't have to worry about that. I will probably end up getting retail at some point if it never ends up on Steam.
This is really my only source, if it means just the limited edition that's great but I don't like missing out on content:
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There is nothing in that "source" that even implies it won't be on Steam.
Steam will probably just get it 2-4 weeks before it launches because EA wants to sell as much as possible through their own store and selected retailer stores first.
Steam is 90% likely to get the pre-order deal on it's service as well.
For those people countering the arguement with "oh no one exclusive weapon my life is ruined", you are a blind fanboy and your argument is bullshit.
First of all, EA has said that this is just the first of more packs to come, which means there will be even more gameplay-changing exclusives.
Second, even if it was just one exclusive weapon, that is still too much. It still makes the game heavily imbalanced because people who pay get access to gameplay-changing play styles/advantages only available to those who get the packs. I'm sure everyone would be pissed off if Valve started selling exclusive stat-changing weapons you can [i]only[/i] get by paying.
Third, even if you can purchase the packs without preordering, that's bullshit because it's the equivalent of day 1 paid dlc, ALA cut content/advantages available only to those who get the dlc. You are purchasing a full, $60 game and you have to pay to get the rest of it. And it's not just exclusive weapons/attachments, it's fucking exclusive map packs. Activision did the same fucking thing, when Modern Warfare 2 was released the first map pack was already on the god damn disc/download, just encrypted so you could access it by paying when they made it available. For a company that's trying really hard to convince gamers that they're better than Activision and Battlefield 3 won't be the money-grubbing shit that is the Call of Duty series, they're doing terrible.
The only way EA can fix this and make this acceptable is the following conditions: 1) Make Karkand free, available to everyone who purchases it. Make the pre-order bonus getting a future DLC for free. 2) Make it so the exclusive packs are nothing more than reskins or alternative weapons with exactly same stats as a normal weapon, and day 1 unlocks.
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;30428862]First of all, EA has said that this is just the first of more packs to come, which means there will be even more gameplay-changing exclusives.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think they are gamelay-changing exclusives?
They had exclusive weapons in BC2 that were different from the other weapons yet balanced to not alter the game at the slightest, hell you didn't even want to use those guns when you unlocked new ones.
And yes, that's how things works today, it's retarded but DLC has become a part of the commercial strategy to cut and deliver content in slices to increase the price of the full game maximizing profit.
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;30428862]Second, even if it was just one exclusive weapon, that is still too much. It still makes the game heavily imbalanced because people who pay get access to gameplay-changing play styles/advantages only available to those who get the packs. I'm sure everyone would be pissed off if Valve started selling exclusive stat-changing weapons you can [i]only[/i] get by paying.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think it will become heavily imbalanced? Did any new weapon in TF2 make the game heavily imbalanced for the ones that didn't have it yet? I haven't seen that happen, and they can have VERY DIFFERENT STATS than the other weapons. You see, we have this thing called BALANCING, it makes it possible to make new items that have unique abilities that counters some items but are countered by other items.
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;30428862]Third, even if you can purchase the packs without preordering, that's bullshit because it's the equivalent of day 1 paid dlc, ALA cut content/advantages available only to those who get the dlc. You are purchasing a full, $60 game and you have to pay to get the rest of it. And it's not just exclusive weapons/attachments, it's fucking exclusive map packs. Activision did the same fucking thing, when Modern Warfare 2 was released the first map pack was already on the god damn disc/download, just encrypted so you could access it by paying when they made it available. For a company that's trying really hard to convince gamers that they're better than Activision and Battlefield 3 won't be the money-grubbing shit that is the Call of Duty series, they're doing terrible.[/QUOTE]
I have nothing to add here. It's a well known fact that they are fighting against each other to be the shittiest money grubbing publishers of all time.
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;30428862]The only way EA can fix this and make this acceptable is the following conditions: 1) Make Karkand free, available to everyone who purchases it. Make the pre-order bonus getting a future DLC for free. 2) Make it so the exclusive packs are nothing more than reskins or alternative weapons with exactly same stats as a normal weapon, and day 1 unlocks.[/QUOTE]
Free DLC? In my EA? Bwahahaha, yeah right.
What is the point in selling re-skins and weapons that look different but acts the same? Even the idiots that loves DLC packs dislikes that, at least a good handful of them. No give them/us some exclusive different but balanced weapons.
I think it would be best if they pulled off the pre order maps like they did in BC2.
When the game is first released the pre order map can only be used by people who pre-ordered. Then, after a certian amount of time (say, a couple weeks) the map is made public.
Isn't Karkand DLC free for PC users?
[QUOTE=dgg;30429084]What makes you think they are gamelay-changing exclusives?
They had exclusive weapons in BC2 that were different from the other weapons yet balanced to not alter the game at the slightest, hell you didn't even want to use those guns when you unlocked new ones.
And yes, that's how things works today, it's retarded but DLC has become a part of the commercial strategy to cut and deliver content in slices to increase the price of the full game maximizing profit.
What makes you think it will become heavily imbalanced? Did any new weapon in TF2 make the game heavily imbalanced for the ones that didn't have it yet? I haven't seen that happen, and they can have VERY DIFFERENT STATS than the other weapons. You see, we have this thing called BALANCING, it makes it possible to make new items that have unique abilities that counters some items but are countered by other items.
I have nothing to add here. It's a well known fact that they are fighting against each other to be the shittiest money grubbing publishers of all time.
Free DLC? In my EA? Bwahahaha, yeah right.
What is the point in selling re-skins and weapons that look different but acts the same? Even the idiots that loves DLC packs dislikes that, at least a good handful of them. No give them/us some exclusive different but balanced weapons.[/QUOTE]
Even if the exclusive weapons turn out to be undesirable shit, people are still getting access to an exclusive playstyle that nobody else has. Thus, it is imbalanced. Using that logic, I'd probably be playing a more balanced game if I bought Modern Warfare 3 because at least they won't charge for actually gameplay changing stuff like weapons.
It just makes me feel like I'm buying some sort of demo if I don't pre-order, which is a bullshit way to make people pre-order. Admittedly, it will work and they will get many pre-orders, but it's lame
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There is nothing in that "source" that even implies it won't be on Steam.
Steam will probably just get it 2-4 weeks before it launches because EA wants to sell as much as possible through their own store and selected retailer stores first.
Steam is 90% likely to get the pre-order deal on it's service as well.[/QUOTE]It says "Only on Origin" unless that's in regards to the DLC content?
[QUOTE=JLea;30429209]Isn't Karkand DLC free for PC users?[/QUOTE]
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couldn't resist
and no, it comes "free" with special preoders.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;30429300]It says "Only on Origin" unless that's in regards to the DLC content?[/QUOTE]
Hopefully it means that only that special edition is origin only.
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;30428862]For those people countering the arguement with "oh no one exclusive weapon my life is ruined", you are a blind fanboy and your argument is bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Apologies for not giving a shit about about an insignificant pre-order bonus and wanting to actually play the game rather than whining about it.
[QUOTE=Nexosz;30429349][img]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=100256&dateline=1307891828[/img]
couldn't resist
and no, it comes "free" with special preoders.
Hopefully it means that only that special edition is origin only.[/QUOTE]
I was certain it was free for PC users and paid for content for 360 users
[QUOTE=JLea;30429585]I was certain it was free for PC users and paid for content for 360 users[/QUOTE]
well then you were wroongggg
[QUOTE=Wii60;30419821]oh no one exclusive weapon and one that is unlocked
we're doomeeedddd[/QUOTE]
with more to come, of course.
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;30429212]Even if the exclusive weapons turn out to be undesirable shit, people are still getting access to an exclusive playstyle that nobody else has. Thus, it is imbalanced. Using that logic, I'd probably be playing a more balanced game if I bought Modern Warfare 3 because at least they won't charge for actually gameplay changing stuff like weapons.[/QUOTE]
Oh, so you are just whining because someone gets access to something you don't (if you don't pre-order) even though IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL?
Well I'm sorry then, I thought you were whining over people getting advantages over others and the game becoming unbalanced or something.
It's no different than crying over someone getting a pre-order bonus weapon in TF2. Or something like the golden wrench. Big whoop, doesn't alter the game but give some something different than the others for supporting the game before it even came out.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;30429300]It says "Only on Origin" unless that's in regards to the DLC content?[/QUOTE]
Most likely the DLC.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;30424359]I guess nobody saw this:
[url]http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/05/23/pwp.aspx[/url]
[quote]This looks cool! What if I'm not in the UK?
We will reveal Battlefield 3 preorder bonus items in other countries soon. Stay tuned.[/quote]
I'm going to wait until much closer to launch before I start freaking out about exclusive content nonsense.[/QUOTE]
[quote][b]Q: Is the Physical Warfare Pack available in all regions, or just in the UK?[/b]
A: It will be available worldwide at select retailers. It was first announced in the UK. Exact details for other countries and retailers will be announced at a later date.
[b]Q: Will Physical Warfare Pack imbalance the game?[/b]
A: The three exclusive items in the Physical Warfare Pack were specifically chosen not to be overpowered or imbalance or break the game in any way.
[b]Q: Why do I want the Physical Warfare Pack?[/b]
A: Owning these items will give you a more varied arsenal, but it will not give you a significant advantage on the battlefield.
[b]Q: Is the Back to Karkand expansion pack exclusive to pre-orders?[/b]
A: No. You can also buy it separately if you do not pre-order Battlefield 3. Back to Karkand will be available the exact same date after the launch of Battlefield 3 no matter if you pre-ordered or buy it separately.
[b]Q: When will the Back to Karkand expansion pack be released?[/b]
A: We have not yet announced the Back to Karkand expansion pack release date.
[b]Q: How much does the Back to Karkand Expansion pack cost?[/b]
A: We have not yet announced a price. However, it will be included in the Limited Edition at no extra charge.
[b]Q: Do I have to choose between Back to Karkand and the Physical Warfare Pack as my pre-order bonus?[/b]
A: No. There is no way you can pre-order Battlefield 3: Limited Edition and not end up with the Back to Karkand expansion pack at no extra charge. On top of this, select retailers all over the world will carry the Physical Warfare Pack. Exact details for other countries and retailers will be announced at a later date.
[b]Q: Why do you offer pre-order bonus items?[/b]
A: Because we believe in rewarding our core fanbase with special offers -- such as giving them the Back to Karkand expansion pack at no extra charge.[/quote]
[url]http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/06/13/physical-warfare-pack-and-back-to-karkand-questions-answered.aspx[/url]
[QUOTE=dgg;30429642]Oh, so you are just whining because someone gets access to something you don't (if you don't pre-order) even though IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL?
Well I'm sorry then, I thought you were whining over people getting advantages over others and the game becoming unbalanced or something.
It's no different than crying over someone getting a pre-order bonus weapon in TF2. Or something like the golden wrench. Big whoop, doesn't alter the game but give some something different than the others for supporting the game before it even came out.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit, it's very different. There's a huge difference between a reskin like the Golden Wrench or the lugermorph because their stats are not unique, in gameplay terms they are exactly the same things as their counterparts.
Why can't they do it like they did in BC2?
You get the weapons earlier if you pre-order but you can still unlock the items later in the game.
500x better.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;30429698][url]http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/06/13/physical-warfare-pack-and-back-to-karkand-questions-answered.aspx[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote]Q: Will Physical Warfare Pack imbalance the game?
A: The three exclusive items in the Physical Warfare Pack were specifically chosen not to be overpowered or imbalance or break the game in any way.
Q: Why do I want the Physical Warfare Pack?
A: Owning these items will give you a more varied arsenal, but it will not give you a significant advantage on the battlefield.
[/quote]
No shit they're going to try and balance it to be at an equal level of other weapons, but it's still going to be a unique playing style that nobody else has access to, which is therefore a advantage.
[QUOTE=RaDiVaX;30429724]Why can't they do it like they did in BC2?
You get the weapons earlier if you pre-order but you can still unlock the items later in the game.
500x better.[/QUOTE]
They want more money. They have invested so much money into BF3 developing/advertising etc so that they must leech more money to make it worth the while.
Or something like that.
[QUOTE=dgg;30429084]What makes you think they are gamelay-changing exclusives?
They had exclusive weapons in BC2 that were different from the other weapons yet balanced to not alter the game at the slightest, hell you didn't even want to use those guns when you unlocked new ones.
[/QUOTE]
Actually, you're wrong there. They didn't have exclusives in BC2, they had [b]early[/b] unlocks, weapons that were already in the game got unlocked early. The only partially exclusive thing was the M1 garand, and it really isn't that much of a game changer, it's the same as another gun in the game with 2 less rounds in it's clip, making it a worse weapon to some.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;30431135]Actually, you're wrong there. They didn't have exclusives in BC2, they had [b]early[/b] unlocks, weapons that were already in the game got unlocked early. The only partially exclusive thing was the M1 garand, and it really isn't that much of a game changer, it's the same as another gun in the game with 2 less rounds in it's clip, making it a worse weapon to some.[/QUOTE]
and that was a general preorder thing like back to Karkand, you got it for just Pre-ordering the game and not from any specific retailer.
Perfectly fine with early unlocks, but exclusive shit cut from the game and then tied to a specific retailer is taking it a step too far.
[QUOTE=The golden;30422417]No, it's not. All the content made by the devs for the game should come in the box on release day with no strings attached and no bullshit. It has worked like this for many years before this DLC-motherfuckery started.
This has basically turned me off the game. They're not getting a sale out of me. I just want a damn good game that I can sit down and play without any fucking bullshit. It seems this does not fit this criteria.[/QUOTE]
easier to ignore the dlc-mothefuckery in a single player game.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30431418]easier to ignore the dlc-mothefuckery in a single player game.[/QUOTE]
SP games that get those DLC weapons are generally way easier because of those weapons. I know metro 2033 was much easier for the people that pre-ordered at gamestop and got a belt fed full auto-shotgun. So it's still BS.
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