Putin claiming sensationally that "Kazakhs never had any statehood" and "If I want, I take Kiev in t - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Explosions;45865476]Can you not wrap your mind around the fact that people might just think differently than you, and that they might not be scared or threatened or stupid?[/QUOTE] I find it very difficult to believe that the Russian people genuinely think that Vladimir Putin, the former KGB agent is a great leader and what he has done and continues to do is good for their nation.

[QUOTE=Korova;45865502]I find it very difficult to believe that the Russian people genuinely think that Vladimir Putin, the former KGB agent is a great leader and what he has done and continues to do is good for their nation.[/QUOTE] You forget how extremely conservative Russia is. Feudalism existed up to the 19th century there, and serfdom was ended in 1861. That's 3 years before the US civil war. It's no surprise to me that imperialism is still a legitimate idea there.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;45865570]You forget how extremely conservative Russia is. Feudalism existed up to the 19th century there, and serfdom was ended in 1861. That's 3 years before the US civil war. It's no surprise to me that imperialism is still a legitimate idea there.[/QUOTE] I actually didn't know that. Crazy, they're stuck in another era. That'd be fine on its own, but the scary thing is, they're dealing with 21st century technology and 21st century weapons.

Someone's going to kill Putin and hopefully that someone is Russian as well. [editline]1st September 2014[/editline] I understand Russia has the propaganda and filtered news sources but there has to be some group of russians that want to kill him

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45863271]Well, he's right about the Kiev, but neither of these statements are nice or sane things to say as a president of a goddamn nation.[/QUOTE] Very villainous of him imo.

[QUOTE=Korova;45865502]I find it very difficult to believe that the Russian people genuinely think that Vladimir Putin, the former KGB agent is a great leader and what he has done and continues to do is good for their nation.[/QUOTE] I kinda gotta agree. While I accept that people think differently to me, especially considering the way my egg salad's wired, but it is entirely possible for [B][U]certain[/U][/B] ways of thinking (not all of them, just a select few) are, well, wrong. For instance, I know I'm invoking Godwin's law here, but look at how the Nazis thought. Their scientists believed the bullhickey that was human eugenics and tried to bring about some sort of "master race" through selective breeding and genetic engineering. And whilst I'm ok with the concept of human augmentation, it should occur on the augmentee's terms or if there is no other way for them to survive, and not involve performing twisted experiments on captured Jewish folk. And whilst we're on that subject, racism and belief in the superiority of one ethnicity is an incorrect way of thinking too, since there aren't really many differences between different "races" other than appearance, and even the tangible differences they DO have are pretty minor and conditional, like people of Asian descent (including American Indians) tend to have that fold that apparently evolved as a way to help protect their eyes against sandstorms or something, as well as the issue of lactose intolerance being extremely prevalent in many Asian cultures. There are very few situations where such advantages would put you above or below someone of a different ethnicity, unless you were racing through the desert without a helmet or competing in an eat-the-most-ice-cream contest. Getting back to a more recent and relevant comparison, it could be entirely possible for the belief that Putin's potential "conquest" of Ukraine being a good thing at all to also be wrong. I mean, incorporating a territory into your fold when the vast majority of said territory's populace consent being part of the nation, I can kind of accept that if they truly are ok with it and would benefit in the long run. But forcing a country to become part of your group, especially when nobody wants it, that is not the way it is supposed to work. We live in the freaking 21st century. Humanity doesn't live in feudal city-states or have to go at eachother's throats just to survive, it is unified (for the most part) under the United Nations and is supposed to [U]work together[/U] to solve a problem. The old world was supposed to die on December 31st 1999, when we entered a new millennium filled with promises of peace, reason and overall advancement for humanity, but so long as the electronic old men cling on to the pre-millennial days of yore, embracing outdated beliefs and notions that should've stayed in books of history and fiction, we are still stuck at a minute to midnight on that cold December night, the golden age hovering not too long away, but the minute hand struggles against the pulling of all the old men holding it back. For all the things we see that try to tell us we're in the future, with 3D printers, organ growing, world-wide-web, the upcoming ability to finally fuck our waifus, there are so many other things like ISIS, Putin's regime, the tyranny in North Korea, Congress doing fucking nothing, widespread poverty and so-on, that remind us we are still stuck in that nightmarish visceral limbo of unstoppable carnage, unending suffering, and unreasonable madness that is 23:59, December 31st, 1999. Only when mankind is truly at peace, when we are all able to converse like reasonable people, when we all embrace ways of thinking both reasonable and non-violent, can we finally party like it's 2000 AD. But knowing that we are all savage beasts, every single one of us including myself, we'll never truly see the 3rd millennium. Thanks Putin, you're doing a swell job at holding us all back.

[QUOTE=lope;45865716]Someone's going to kill Putin and hopefully that someone is Russian as well. [editline]1st September 2014[/editline] I understand Russia has the propaganda and filtered news sources but there has to be some group of russians that want to kill him[/QUOTE] If someone assassinated Putin then shit would get way, way worse really fast. Russian nationalism and extremism would explode.

since when did putin become akmadinijad also pretty much combining this and his last friday statement there's no way to de-escalate this, he's threatened to use tactical nuclear weapons to defend his ill gotten land and now openly saying he's ready to roll in on kiev at the drop of a hat

Sure, he's not "pussyfooting around", but he just ain't doing it right.

i hope to god that enough people in russia's government and military are not nearly so suicidal and bring russia back from this cliff seriously they're turning into farenheit 451 and little spoiler here, the nation in there stupidly and blindly proceeded into war only to be annihilated in an instant by the opposition

Well, might is only right when it is used to fix an ACTUAL wrong as opposed to what a doddering old spy on steroids thinks is wrong. Also, it's not just a matter of might, since even a zerg rush would get gunned down like a hot knife through butter, as was proven during the battle of the Somme. It is a matter of being precise and discriminate, applying pressure at just the right points. Sure you can do some serious damage by shooting someone in the chest a couple of times, but a single bullet to the brain is usually all you need to kill someone, or a double-tap at most, if you'll excuse the grisly phrase. What I'm trying to say is that even if someone throws a lot of might at you, a smart man would go for the weak spots and attack them for massive damage, not using nearly as many resources as you would need to overwhelm them with sheer numbers. Even if they have massive AoE in the form of nukes (as does NATO but we just use them as scarecrows), we've got anti-missile missiles, plane-mounted super-lasers designed to shoot down missiles, plenty of underground places to hole up in if one slips through, and we might as well have sonic electronic ball breakers by this point. Precise application of advanced offence and defence is much better than shipping off thousands of Tommies, Doughboys and other such soldiers off to die in the snow, face-down in red slush, muddied tears and their friends' scrambled eggs.

I wouldn't hate the Russian people. I hate the politicians and the fact that a majority of the Russian people have allowed them to be put into power. I hate the [I]fact[/I], not the [I]people[/I] that voted them in. I think that's the opinion most people hold.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45865987]Considering he's one of the only world leaders who isn't pussyfooting around with international politics, it's actually pretty easy to see why people like him.[/QUOTE] But there's no need. It's accepted throughout the world that nuclear weapons are bad, military force is bad, invading sovereign nations due to aggression is bad too. There's a difference between not playing political games and how Russia has been lately. They're a dangerous and extremely nationalist country and they're doing things "just because we're Russia". The United States is guilty of the same thing but when we invade a country, it's to push our own ideals. It's not to take over sovereign nations. At least in the past hundred years or so.

And we can't fire actual warning shots because we know Putin would rapidly hammer the "Пожар все!" button like F5 during the days before a Valve game update, before high-tailing it to the Kremlin bunker to watch the fireworks.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45866273]That doesn't change the fact that this is a perfect example of "failed application of might", in such case that we literally committed so little, that all Russia had to do was say "oh.. well then.." and carry on about their day.[/QUOTE] I dunno about that. To me it seems more like "Yeah that's right comrade, we took over that nuclear silo with only a handful of dudes, a packet of egg sandwiches, and a wooden spoon taped to a velociraptor. Now just you imagine what we could do with millions of dudes, enough tuna subs to set up a naval bakery, and a coupla hundred thousand velociraptors equipped with pulse rifles!" Seeing what someone could do with such little effort and so few resources in comparison to using a gross of Tommies, and realising they have resources and ordinance beyond counting, that's got to be intimidating, right? If someone could break into the Kremlin with only a hammer and some laxative, god help us all if he decides to break out the chicken wire and rubber cement.

the tension intensifies :words:

actually they can even invade Czech and Slovakia cause we don't have nukes either nor any army capable to do more than some exhibitions ...

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45866401]Hell, Russia could probably invade the baltics and half of poland and we'd still be sitting here saying "HEY.. STOP DOING THAT.. THAT'S BAD".[/QUOTE] No

[QUOTE=Miskav;45864354]The fact that this lunatic still has a 80%+ approval rating is shameful for Russia. If they as a people are so brainwashed that they can't even see that their leader is a nutcase and a danger to the entire region then I feel sorry for them.[/QUOTE] They're not brainwashed. The scariest part about Hitler's rise to power, is that he was popularly elected.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45867197]They're not brainwashed. The scariest part about Hitler's rise to power, is that he was popularly elected.[/QUOTE] Even more scarier: WW I winners enabled their rise to power by breaking Germany's economy.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45866401]. Hell, Russia could probably invade the baltics and half of poland and we'd still be sitting here saying "HEY.. STOP DOING THAT.. THAT'S BAD".[/QUOTE] kinda doubt that with the poland being armored by NATO at this point, they try any antics west of ukraine and they're going to be stomped [editline]1st September 2014[/editline] then ww3 starts and we probably all die

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45866401]Hell, Russia could probably invade the baltics and half of poland and we'd still be sitting here saying "HEY.. STOP DOING THAT.. THAT'S BAD".[/QUOTE] If Russia dared attack a baltic state he'd have half the damn world up his ass, NATO wasn't founded on a bunch of pinky promises.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;45863823]trying to restore the Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] Yeah, exactly, lost his mind. Only a crazy fool would try to do that.

What sane leader of a nation says this sort of thing? Not Putin. Does he actually want war? Does he just not care anymore?

Oh boy, what a great time to live next to Russia...

[img]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/img] here. Wanna know why Putin has such high approval ratings? He's seen as one of the only capable candidates, at least over here. Nobody in their right state of mind would vote for Mironov or Zyuganov because those dumbasses don't even try to win, I legit can't name a single policy they proposed during their election campaigns. Zhirinovskiy is seen as a comedy-relief character and isn't taken seriously. People didn't like Prokhorov because he used to be a businessman, they feared "dirty tactics" (lol). Last but not least, Medvedev is seen as Putin's puppet with a weak personality. People joke about how our politicians steal and lie all the time. That's part of the Russian mentality, and that's, of course, terrible. They're used to it, but they absolutely are not fucking scared. You don't get taken to deathcamps for talking shit about Putin. Путин хуйло. [sp]if you don't hear from me again in two weeks, assume the worst[/sp]

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By the way, about the statehood thing, I think he really fucked up in wording it right. This is what he said: [quote]Он (Назарбаев) ведь сделал уникальную вещь. Он же создал государство на территории, на которой никогда государства не было. У казахов не было государственности никогда. Он ее создал.[/quote] [quote]He (Nazarbayev) did a unique thing. He created a state on a territory that never had a state. The Kazakhs never had statehood. He created it.[/quote] According to [url]http://www.adilet.gov.kz/ru/node/41217[/url], a source from 2012, the Kazakhstan Ministry of Justice thought the same way. Take a look at the third paragraph. [quote] К моменту провозглашения государственной независимости Казахстан не располагал ни одной из составляющих государственности за исключением свободолюбивого народа, обширной территории и советской модели управления страной. Экономика находилась в упадке, инфляция, безработица и бедность охватили все слои общества. Ситуация сложилась настолько драматично, что государство могло развалиться едва родившись. Вся тяжесть сохранения независимости и формирования казахстанской государственности легла на плечи Первого Президента Республики Казахстан Н.А.Назарбаева. На первый план вышел фактор лидера и личности.[/quote] Sadly, my political English isn't great at all, but I'll try my best. [quote] Before proclaiming state sovereignity, Kazakhstan didn't have any components of statehood except for it's free citizens, big territory and a Soviet-style government. Economy was in shambles, inflation and unemployment took over the populace. The situation was so dramatic that the state could have ceased to exist just after being born. The burden of saving independence and forming the Kazakh govenment was on the shoulders of the First President of the Kazakh Republic, N.A. Nazarbayev. His leadership and personality were his leading qualities.[/quote]

Lets go back in history and lets see how much land russia owned at the start, wouldn't be too nice they woud lose most of it,

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45867197]They're not brainwashed. The scariest part about Hitler's rise to power, is that he was popularly elected.[/QUOTE] false. hitler got close to a majority but didnt get it then he pulled a seize of power(discrediting the commies).