Texas Eighth-Grader Suspended for Rescuing Classmate during Asthma Attack - Polidicks

[QUOTE=nagachief;49608316]If I were the parent of a kid with asthma (if you could change schools at will) I'd switch schools faster than the speed of light for the safety of my kid. Because seriously, fuck their policy. I hope they get sued to hell.[/QUOTE] The sentiment is nice, but pointless, as you're not liable to find a school that doesn't have similar bullshit policies.

ZERO. TOLERANCE.

Zero tolerance is just an excuse to not have to think or make decisions. It helps no one.

Theres a point where the school being liable for the kid dropping her and breaking her arm is a justifiable risk compared to the alternative of the kid literally fucking dying because the teacher was a fucking jackass. Ive had this bullshit happen to me. Teacher told me in the third grade that I was faking my asthma to get out of a test. I had to go to the fucking hospital when i got home and was admitted for three days because of that. Fuck zero tolerance

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;49607950]I can understand a reprimand since there's a very real risk that the boy might have dropped his classmate and she'd be incurring further injury. But outright suspension is pants-on-head retarded.[/QUOTE] Yes, let's reprimand the child who decided to take action because the teacher didn't. The child wouldn't have needed to run the risk of dropping their classmate if the teacher had stepped up and done it instead. The teacher wasted minutes of valuable time waiting for a reply to an email. Though I don't know how much blame falls on the teacher and how much falls to the policies of the school. The sending of an email (instead of the phone) may be, in of itself, a result of some retarded policy. One institutional failing in responding to the situation (never mind suspending the person who did something instead of potentially letting someone die) is not requiring the teachers who were teaching the child to have training to know how to deal with an Asthma attack in the first place (even if that's "get the student to the nurse's office ASAP").

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49609164]Yes, let's reprimand the child who decided to take action because the teacher didn't.[/QUOTE] A reprimand is a formal warning, not an actual punishment. Especially since the risk of dropping a classmate is very real. What should have happened given the circumstances were that the teacher phoned the nurse and had it taken care of immediately. As a fallback and depending on the size of this suffering classmate, it would've been a safer idea to have 2 people cart her to the nurse's office rather than doing it alone and running that risk. It's not an unrealistic concept to criticize someone's risky decisions while at the same time praising their good intentions.

Man I love the Texas school system. Other ~achievements~ of ours include letting teachers decide whether they want to teach actual science/history or not, and being pioneers of student tracking chips.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;49607892]Why teachers so fucking retarded when it comes to medical emergencies? I mean come on, is it so fucking important to enforce some rule that it's worth risking lives over it?[/QUOTE] In my previous school we were making leather scabbards for outdoor knives, and one girl tried inserting the knife into hers while it was still wet after shaping & sewing. We'd specifically been told not to do this. She hadn't heard. As you might imagine, [url=http://puu.sh/mKcjT.png]the knife went right through the scabbard[/url] and deep into her hand. Now, our teacher was so fucking fast that we barely understood what had happened before he at great speeds grabbed the necessary things from the medical cabinet and patched her up and then carried her to his car and got her to the hospital. She cut the tendons in three of her fingers, but the doctors managed to fix it.

[quote]Adding insult to injury, Cortes said the school called her Wednesday morning wanting to know why her son was absent. She had to remind them they suspended him. [/quote] What a fucking joke.

And they wonder why students shoot up schools. This would have been a reason for me, such dumb shits are not just worthy of living My blood is so boiling reading this its ridiculous, i know it yet im still fucking appalled. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Did you not read what you posted?" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49609453]And they wonder why students shoot up schools. This would have been a reason for me, such dumb shits are not just worthy of living [/QUOTE] Might be going a smidgen far there, chief. I mean, I'm mad too, but my fiery anger is overwhelmed and extinguished with immense pride and happiness that such a young hero still exists somewhere in this nation. Realize that after everything is said and done, his classmates knows what he did, his mother does, and that girl and her parents certainly do.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49609453]And they wonder why students shoot up schools. This would have been a reason for me, such dumb shits are not just worthy of living My blood is so boiling reading this its ridiculous, i know it yet im still fucking appalled.[/QUOTE] Nothing is worthy of a school shooting. [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] Also, you don't get to decide who's worthy of living. That's pretty scary.

How come these kinds of stories only ever come from the US. I can't remember the last time I've heard of something like this happening elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;49609496]How come these kinds of stories only ever come from the US. I can't remember the last time I've heard of something like this happening elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Coz the US is a backwards country.

[QUOTE=Waffler;49609731]Coz the US is a backwards country.[/QUOTE] No, it's their zero tolerance policy that, pretty much, is the root cause of all of these cases. That and the fear of getting sued has created a monster of a bureaucracy, where rational actions are rarely welcome.

How come I have literally never heard of anything good from US schools? [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Antdawg;49609496]How come these kinds of stories only ever come from the US. I can't remember the last time I've heard of something like this happening elsewhere.[/QUOTE] This too

And I thought this country's health and safety policies were moronic. Zero tolerance? More like zero common sense. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_tolerance_%28schools%29"]In fact, there's quite a few examples of this stuff being taken to idiotic lengths.[/URL] [QUOTE=Psychopath12;49607950]I can understand a reprimand since there's a very real risk that the boy might have dropped his classmate and she'd be incurring further injury. But outright suspension is pants-on-head retarded. Some next level bullshit is that they have to [i]email[/i] the nurse in an emergency situation. Time is precious, get them on the phone and have someone show up to treat her or cart her to the nurse's office. That boy put it best: "fuck that we ain’t got time to wait for no email from the nurse"[/QUOTE] At my old school the nurse was pretty fucking useless, the most they'd do is tell you to sit down in their office for five minutes before sending you back to class. My (now) girlfriend once came down with something bad yet they refused to send her home so in response her parents chose not to send her in the next day. But yeah, this is just a whole new level of idiocy. Hilarious story by the way - some kid had some medication he was prescribed to take every day, obviously it's kept in the nurse's office. One day he headed down, nurse wasn't there, but he remembered where the meds were and took his usual dosage. Was pretty funny watching the shitstorm that ensued whilst the kid's just stood their, perplexed at their dumbfoundment.

Here's a couple examples of bullshit that I remember from my school High school. Guy brought a small swiss army knife to school. One of those tiny ones. Not a big deal, this is Tennessee after all, some students go hunting and make their own deer beef jerky. But someone found out through word of mouth and it got him expelled for the YEAR. He had to go to a special school they send the worst students. Not only that, they expelled his girlfriend and made her go to the same school because she knew about it and didn't tell anyone. A fight broke out in the hall during a class change. One kid put his hands up and repeatedly said I don't want to fight at school dog, I don't want to fight at school. The other kid wasn't having it and just went for him and it was on. The one who clearly didn't want to fight, showed no interest in throwing down, had his hands in the air when it started, got suspended too since he was involved. If you get punched, you're involved. If you're walking down the hallway and a bully walking by decides to just sucker punch you. You can't tell anyone because you'll get the same punishment After school was OUT. People outside of the building waiting on their parents or bus. Friend of mine, who has asthma and a cell phone for emergencies, had her phone in her hand. Teacher saw it, took it from her, and walked it across campus, into the building, and into the office where he put it in a locked drawer. Despite us telling him what it's for. He only cared about the No Electronic Devices rule. Her parents came the next day to get the phone back and because everyone has to sign off on their rules before school begins, they didn't get it back, and the school was within their rights The High School has a trap team. Trap shooting is where you shoot the flying clay targets with a shotgun. One student on the team accidentally left his shotgun in his car. He got ex-fucking-pelled lickity split for that, despite it being in a locked car in the parking lot and he was on a SCHOOL TEAM that used it. Didn't matter The school would also suspend/expel you for having any kind of medication. Over the counter, prescribed, it didn't matter. If it was something you had to take, you had to give it to the office then get their permission to take it. So help you god if you bring so much as an aspirin US schools have ZERO ROOM for anything outside of that tiny paper booklet they give you at the beginning of the year that has their rules in it. You break'em, you break'em, Fuck the reasons why, fuck any common sense. And it all boils down to Zero Tolerance. Even prisons don't have as many zero tolerances. I get that it's a place for a bunch of kids and you want to keep them safe, but it goes so far that it's completely detrimental and it prevents nothing

[QUOTE=TheTalon;49609880]Here's a couple examples of bullshit that I remember from my school High school. Guy brought a small swiss army knife to school. One of those tiny ones. Not a big deal, this is Tennessee after all, some students go hunting and make their own deer beef jerky. But someone found out through word of mouth and it got him expelled for the YEAR. He had to go to a special school they send the worst students. Not only that, they expelled his girlfriend and made her go to the same school because she knew about it and didn't tell anyone. A fight broke out in the hall during a class change. One kid put his hands up and repeatedly said I don't want to fight at school dog, I don't want to fight at school. The other kid wasn't having it and just went for him and it was on. The one who clearly didn't want to fight, showed no interest in throwing down, had his hands in the air when it started, got suspended too since he was involved. If you get punched, you're involved. If you're walking down the hallway and a bully walking by decides to just sucker punch you. You can't tell anyone because you'll get the same punishment After school was OUT. People outside of the building waiting on their parents or bus. Friend of mine, who has asthma and a cell phone for emergencies, had her phone in her hand. Teacher saw it, took it from her, and walked it across campus, into the building, and into the office where he put it in a locked drawer. Despite us telling him what it's for. He only cared about the No Electronic Devices rule. Her parents came the next day to get the phone back and because everyone has to sign off on their rules before school begins, they didn't get it back, and the school was within their rights The High School has a trap team. Trap shooting is where you shoot the flying clay targets with a shotgun. One student on the team accidentally left his shotgun in his car. He got ex-fucking-pelled lickity split for that, despite it being in a locked car in the parking lot and he was on a SCHOOL TEAM that used it. Didn't matter The school would also suspend/expel you for having any kind of medication. Over the counter, prescribed, it didn't matter. If it was something you had to take, you had to give it to the office then get their permission to take it. So help you god if you bring so much as an aspirin US schools have ZERO ROOM for anything outside of that tiny paper booklet they give you at the beginning of the year that has their rules in it. You break'em, you break'em, Fuck the reasons why, fuck any common sense. And it all boils down to Zero Tolerance. Even prisons don't have as many zero tolerances. I get that it's a place for a bunch of kids and you want to keep them safe, but it goes so far that it's completely detrimental and it prevents nothing[/QUOTE] Makes you wonder, why do schools go out of their way to enforce this? Who's breathing down their neck expecting them to act indiscriminately without any sense of context?

[QUOTE=TheTalon;49609880]Here's a couple examples of bullshit that I remember from my school High school. Guy brought a small swiss army knife to school. One of those tiny ones. Not a big deal, this is Tennessee after all, some students go hunting and make their own deer beef jerky. But someone found out through word of mouth and it got him expelled for the YEAR. He had to go to a special school they send the worst students. Not only that, they expelled his girlfriend and made her go to the same school because she knew about it and didn't tell anyone. A fight broke out in the hall during a class change. One kid put his hands up and repeatedly said I don't want to fight at school dog, I don't want to fight at school. The other kid wasn't having it and just went for him and it was on. The one who clearly didn't want to fight, showed no interest in throwing down, had his hands in the air when it started, got suspended too since he was involved. If you get punched, you're involved. If you're walking down the hallway and a bully walking by decides to just sucker punch you. You can't tell anyone because you'll get the same punishment After school was OUT. People outside of the building waiting on their parents or bus. Friend of mine, who has asthma and a cell phone for emergencies, had her phone in her hand. Teacher saw it, took it from her, and walked it across campus, into the building, and into the office where he put it in a locked drawer. Despite us telling him what it's for. He only cared about the No Electronic Devices rule. Her parents came the next day to get the phone back and because everyone has to sign off on their rules before school begins, they didn't get it back, and the school was within their rights The High School has a trap team. Trap shooting is where you shoot the flying clay targets with a shotgun. One student on the team accidentally left his shotgun in his car. He got ex-fucking-pelled lickity split for that, despite it being in a locked car in the parking lot and he was on a SCHOOL TEAM that used it. Didn't matter The school would also suspend/expel you for having any kind of medication. Over the counter, prescribed, it didn't matter. If it was something you had to take, you had to give it to the office then get their permission to take it. So help you god if you bring so much as an aspirin US schools have ZERO ROOM for anything outside of that tiny paper booklet they give you at the beginning of the year that has their rules in it. You break'em, you break'em, Fuck the reasons why, fuck any common sense. And it all boils down to Zero Tolerance. Even prisons don't have as many zero tolerances. I get that it's a place for a bunch of kids and you want to keep them safe, but it goes so far that it's completely detrimental and it prevents nothing[/QUOTE] my friend brought weed and bourbon into school, teachers knew about it and they let him off ;)

[QUOTE=AK'z;49610069]my friend brought weed and bourbon into school, teachers knew about it and they let him off ;)[/QUOTE] I went to school drunk in Year 12 (on my [i]17th[/i] birthday), from half a bottle of bourbon, and all that happened was I had to sit in the library all day. I got a warning but I wasn't even suspended. They didn't even tell my parents (although they still found out thanks to dipshit friends telling my dipshit brother, who told my parents). [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] [quote]After school was OUT. People outside of the building waiting on their parents or bus. Friend of mine, who has asthma and a cell phone for emergencies, had her phone in her hand. Teacher saw it, took it from her, and walked it across campus, into the building, and into the office where he put it in a locked drawer. Despite us telling him what it's for. He only cared about the No Electronic Devices rule. Her parents came the next day to get the phone back and because everyone has to sign off on their rules before school begins, they didn't get it back, and the school was within their rights[/quote] I've heard of cases like this (in the US, no wonder) and apparently if the parents threaten the school with legal action, they shit themselves and give in to the parents.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;49609880]Here's a couple examples of bullshit that I remember from my school[/QUOTE] What's it like growing up in a concentration camp?

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;49609467]Might be going a smidgen far there, chief. I mean, I'm mad too, but my fiery anger is overwhelmed and extinguished with immense pride and happiness that such a young hero still exists somewhere in this nation. Realize that after everything is said and done, his classmates knows what he did, his mother does, and that girl and her parents certainly do.[/QUOTE] A kid like this exists in a school for kids with behavioral problems. Pretty inspirational.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49610002]Makes you wonder, why do schools go out of their way to enforce this? Who's breathing down their neck expecting them to act indiscriminately without any sense of context?[/QUOTE] Partially the federal government (through threatening to withhold much-needed funding and subsidies if the schools refuse to comply), and partially local school boards that aren't very good at being accountable for anything.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49609453]And they wonder why students shoot up schools. This would have been a reason for me, such dumb shits are not just worthy of living [/QUOTE] implying that you would shoot up a school at all ever is kinda grim and dark don't you think? like you're taking the "Not worthy of life" thing fucking far. They have friends and family, just because they made one wrong decision doesn't make them worthy of being killed off by some kid I'm not even going to try and call you out and say "You're fucked up", it's clear you're just venting. Nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49610002]Makes you wonder, why do schools go out of their way to enforce this? Who's breathing down their neck expecting them to act indiscriminately without any sense of context?[/QUOTE] it's a mixture of cultural obsession with protecting children to an insane degree, ridiculously litigious parents, and dickless administrators.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;49607892]Why teachers so fucking retarded when it comes to medical emergencies? I mean come on, is it so fucking important to enforce some rule that it's worth risking lives over it?[/QUOTE] Because if they leave the classroom or someone else does and something happens it's on them. On the other hand if they take "necessary steps of alerting a medical professional" and keep everyone cloistered up, they're off the hook more or less. The problem is that the teachers keep getting stuff drilled into their heads about never leaving any of the kids out of their sights and a bunch of other things based on which they may potentially have problems with the school or parents. [QUOTE=GordonZombie;49610002]Makes you wonder, why do schools go out of their way to enforce this? Who's breathing down their neck expecting them to act indiscriminately without any sense of context?[/QUOTE] Very often it's the parents and school boards. Mind you this has been a gradual thing and didn't happen overnight. The reason why it's so much more widespread in the US might be due to the general litiginousnes over the big pond.

The teacher breached their duty of care to their students, they should be fired, suspended from teaching and possibly arrested for child endangerment.

If I was the father of that kid, I'd either sue the school for major incompetence or send my kid to a school that isn't filled with retarded teachers.

As a teacher I can probably see why that teacher acted as they did. Teachers these days are so scared about loosing their jobs over anything that we'll sometimes overlook logic because we're afraid of lawsuits. There is so much red tape around teachers these days that it doesn't surprise me one bit why they acted as they did. For example if two students are fighting we aren't allowed to break it up. We have to wait for the resource officer to arrive. We can't touch students. Its ridiculous, but a couple teachers have been fired in the past for doing such things because parents were threatening to sue the school. This isn't some localize issue, this is a national issue. Every bullshit thing that is in place is because at some point there was some lawsuit somewhere. It may seem completely illogical, but school districts have a lot of these procedures to protect teachers and staff from lawsuits.