Texas Eighth-Grader Suspended for Rescuing Classmate during Asthma Attack - Polidicks

America, what is wrong with your schools..

[QUOTE=AncientFryup;49611887]America, what is wrong with your schools..[/QUOTE] funding being decreased when educational funds are already shriveled up and dying, to pad political bullshit. Look at Scott Walker's actions in Wisconsin the past few years for a good example of the process

[QUOTE=dai;49612099]funding being decreased when educational funds are already shriveled up and dying, to pad political bullshit. Look at Scott Walker's actions in Wisconsin the past few years for a good example of the process[/QUOTE] And it's funny how anti-socialist people are as of recent when it's socialism that mostly brought us free education anyways. We have so many shit priorities here in America atm. At my highschool we had to wear id tags on a lanyard at all times and if you didn't have your ID in class you'd be kicked out of class and all sorts of other consuquences for different stuff; thankfully they realized how shit this idea was 2 years later

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;49612254]And it's funny how anti-socialist people are as of recent when it's socialism that mostly brought us free education anyways. We have so many shit priorities here in America atm[/QUOTE] Defund something so that it becomes shit Use that as the basis for privatization Be invested in the private industry Conflicts of interest define politics.

How long until schools start to handcuff pupils to their desks and make them walk in straight lines for break, supervized by US officers Because it looks to me every step toward that is being taken

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[QUOTE=dai;49612099]funding being decreased when educational funds are already shriveled up and dying, to pad political bullshit. Look at Scott Walker's actions in Wisconsin the past few years for a good example of the process[/QUOTE] I can't speak nationally, but I've never seen a school district that didn't either have a ton of waste, massively inflated administration budgets, or money lost in bureaucracy. A teacher friend of mine was just telling me the other day about huge sums of money sitting doing nothing in the district coffers because of inept administration who don't have a grasp on where to spend it. Or a guy I know who had been a school janitor for ~20 years and found literally boxes of new text books sitting in the basement at the same time the district was complaining about not having enough textbooks. At this point I won't trust any school district complaining of money without a detailed budget analysis.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49612506]I can't speak nationally, but I've never seen a school district that didn't either have a ton of waste, massively inflated administration budgets, or money lost in bureaucracy. A teacher friend of mine was just telling me the other day about huge sums of money sitting doing nothing in the district coffers because of inept administration who don't have a grasp on where to spend it. Or a guy I know who had been a school janitor for ~20 years and found literally boxes of new text books sitting in the basement at the same time the district was complaining about not having enough textbooks. At this point I won't trust any school district complaining of money without a detailed budget analysis.[/QUOTE] AFAIK, the issues with schools has become inflated administrations. Maybe it's the type of people attracted to running schools, but they bring with them a million bureaucratic ineptitude's along with them.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49612534]AFAIK, the issues with schools has become inflated administrations. Maybe it's the type of people attracted to running schools, but they bring with them a million bureaucratic ineptitude's along with them.[/QUOTE] IMO, there's two main reasons: 1) Schools are no longer places of education. They're now meal providers, counseling centers, after school daycare centers, anti-bullying centers, etc. The more non-education functions that schools are required to do, the bigger the administration will become. 2) There's no competition or real oversight. At the moment we're basically dependant on the good nature and skill of the people in charge. There isn't any real oversight and the education system is often touted as "civil servants" who are above all reproach. [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] Oh, and I would also add teacher's unions that only care about teachers, but pretend to care about students, and people believe them.

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;49612385]How long until schools start to handcuff pupils to their desks and make them walk in straight lines for break, supervized by US officers Because it looks to me every step toward that is being taken[/QUOTE] In grade and middle school we had to walk in a straight line to go classes, lunch, bathroom breaks and even leave the building iirc

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49609453]This would have been a reason for me, such dumb shits are not just worthy of living [/QUOTE] I actually agree with this. People who are willing to let other people die right in front of them don't deserve their own lives.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49613234]I actually agree with this. People who are willing to let other people die right in front of them don't deserve their own lives.[/QUOTE] I don't think the teacher was "willing to let other people die" so much as he was horribly incompetent and underestimated the situation. I don't think ANY educator no matter how incompetent would ever be "willing" to let a student die intentionally. That being said, the teacher was incredibly stupid and should be terminated from his job.

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;49614087]I don't think the teacher was "willing to let other people die" so much as she was horribly incompetent and underestimated the situation. I don't think ANY educator no matter how incompetent would ever be "willing" to let a student die intentionally. That being said, the teacher was incredibly stupid and should be terminated from her job.[/QUOTE] I see it as he didn't care. If he cared about that child, he would have been in a bigger rush to do something serious. He didn't. He needs to step aside and let someone more competent take over. That, or seriously apologize and learn to give a shit.

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;49609187]A reprimand is a formal warning, not an actual punishment. Especially since the risk of dropping a classmate is very real. What should have happened given the circumstances were that the teacher phoned the nurse and had it taken care of immediately. As a fallback and depending on the size of this suffering classmate, it would've been a safer idea to have 2 people cart her to the nurse's office rather than doing it alone and running that risk. It's not an unrealistic concept to criticize someone's risky decisions while at the same time praising their good intentions.[/QUOTE] I would rather have a broken arm than to be dead from asthma.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49610258]A kid like this exists in a school for kids with behavioral problems. Pretty inspirational.[/QUOTE] Thats because schools for kids with "behavioral problems or who are "Emotionally disturbed" are just dumping grounds for local districts to deal with kids they don't want to deal with. This means that kids end up in these schools due to everything from suicidal depression, to sleeping in class too much, to severe bipolar disorder, to severe autism, and even gang affiliation. Half of the kids in these fucking schools DONT belong in them.

Yeah, I personally can tell you schools are the most rigid rule followers. Even with good intentions, they will throw the book at you, hard. I got in a "fight" back in 11th grade with a kid who kept making a lot of sexual threats and harassed me for quite a while. He'd always brag and say how he's a beast in a fight and just blacks out and goes crazy and always tried to show porn on his phone to the other guys at our table. He was a real sick fuck I went to the teacher about it and she didn't do shit. So one day, he started throwing ketchup packs at me, thinking he was cute and I threw one back past him and told him to stop. He threw another and hit me right in the face. So, I picked up my book, flung it spine-first into face and punched him in the face 3 or 4 times. I then stopped, turned around and turned myself into the teacher. We both got a nice trip to the office, a quick interrogation and sentencing. They booked me with 10 day out of school suspension (reduced to 5 days out of school, 5 days detention because I had a "good record") for fighting and they gave him 3 out for sexual harassment. He later bragged how [I]he[/I] beat [I]my[/I] ass, but no one believed him and said "I heard you cried when that book hit your face" The only solace I took from that was he was later expelled from the entire district because, surprise, he was a sexual deviant and everyone involved pretty much testified he was a prick. Sorry, I got a little rant-y there, but [B]tl;dr[/B] the school system kicked me out for 10 days because I stood up against sexual harassment and zero tolerance is retarded.

People talk about how awful Public schools are but I attended public school from elementary to highschool in a low income area and had absolutely no problems. [QUOTE=wauterboi;49614435]I see it as he didn't care. If he cared about that child, he would have been in a bigger rush to do something serious. He didn't. He needs to step aside and let someone more competent take over. That, or seriously apologize and learn to give a shit.[/QUOTE] The teacher was following school regulations. Perhaps foolishly but perhaps school regulation should be getting more hate here. Teachers are underpayed, overworked and in most states could lose their livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49628170] The teacher was following school regulations. Perhaps foolishly but perhaps school regulation should be getting more hate here. Teachers are underpayed, overworked and in most states could lose their livelihoods at the drop of a hat.[/QUOTE] maybe it's just me but i have to draw a line when cutting people slack when they watch someone die in front of them like sure this kid didn't die in this instance, but it's the most terrifying thought to me to imagine a child unable to breath, choking on the floor while the teacher, too afraid to lose their job, waits patiently on an email that says "yeah dont let him die better bring him to the nurses office"

This is why allowing students with asthma to carry their inhalers with them is incredibly important. Not just because teachers do shit like this, but she would have been able to prevent the attack all together. American public schools don't let you carry drugs with you, even if it's something like an inhaler which could save your life and you would need IMMEDIATELY.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49610002]Makes you wonder, why do schools go out of their way to enforce this? Who's breathing down their neck expecting them to act indiscriminately without any sense of context?[/QUOTE] Predatory lawyers looking to sue schools the moment they show a sign of weakness. If schools don't go to ridiculous lengths to do this then they will get sued by rich lawyers looking for a payday and they will lose. Contrary to popular belief, it's not just because they're bad people.

What I don't understand is how shit has gone sour [I]SO[/I] fast, at least it would seem. I graduated (HS) 2011, and I never heard anything this crazy during my time in the school system. But then only a couple years later, when my brother was still in school, he started mentioning much more strict and redundant rules. Still, they were nowhere near this level of bullshit. It just really seems that in only the past 3-4 years there has been a major change in schools and how they punish students. Because when I was going through school, there was only a very gradual increase in strictness, nothing insanely major or overly absurd. I guess I should feel lucky in hindsight. Doesn't mean I never dealt with bullshit though.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49628170]People talk about how awful Public schools are but I attended public school from elementary to highschool in a low income area and had absolutely no problems. The teacher was following school regulations. Perhaps foolishly but perhaps school regulation should be getting more hate here. Teachers are underpayed, overworked and in most states could lose their livelihoods at the drop of a hat.[/QUOTE] No, they actually can't. if a teacher has tenure, they're sure as fuck not losing their job without a huge fight.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49631939]No, they actually can't. if a teacher has tenure, they're sure as fuck not losing their job without a huge fight.[/QUOTE] lol how many teachers in a low-income highschool do you think actually have tenure

[QUOTE=geel9;49633407]lol how many teachers in a low-income highschool do you think actually have tenure[/QUOTE] a lot more than you'd think it's a pretty common thing you stay long enough, you get tenure [url]https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/sass/tables/sass0708_2009320_d1s_08.asp[/url] [editline]29th January 2016[/editline] it's a state by state thing, but it's a really common thing.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49628170]People talk about how awful Public schools are but I attended public school from elementary to highschool in a low income area and had absolutely no problems. The teacher was following school regulations. Perhaps foolishly but perhaps school regulation should be getting more hate here. Teachers are underpayed, overworked and in most states could lose their livelihoods at the drop of a hat.[/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders]"I was just following orders"[/url] (note that I'm not suggesting that they are 1:1 to scale, but "simply following orders" isn't a defense)

At my area's high school (I live in a more rural part of South Carolina, but still) students are required to have ID badges on at all times, under pain of disciplinary action, cell phones are allowed to be posessed by students, but if one is seen by administration [I]either in-use or just visible[/I], period, they can confiscate it and suspend the kid to ISS or OSS. Not only that, but they also have that stupid Zero-Tolerance rule regarding fights: anyone involved is equally guilty, regardless of whether or not they were defending themselves. All this, while the school district is supposedly running low on money (plausible due to low taxes and lots of retirement communities in the county), and yet buying "tardy machine" software for automating discipline and installing worthless new security cameras nearly everywhere. Public schools in [U][I]most[/I][/U] parts of the U.S. are a blatant example of how NOT to setup schools. Emphasis on most, since some (like charter schools) can be better, but they are outliers.