• Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52847597]2016 was just the perfect storm of corruption and ineptitude. This election will go in history as one of our country's lowest moments.[/QUOTE] Iunno man, declaring war on yourself because half of the country doesn't support basic human rights sounds a lot lower than an oversized oompa-loompa beating old lady Grinch at an election. Like seriously, the rigging in the DNC was massive shit, but America has literally assassinated political leaders and caused revolutions because they wanted oil. I think there's a lot worse things America's done than elect Trump.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52849946]Iunno man, declaring war on yourself because half of the country doesn't support basic human rights sounds a lot lower than an oversized oompa-loompa beating old lady Grinch at an election. Like seriously, the rigging in the DNC was massive shit, but America has literally assassinated political leaders and caused revolutions because they wanted oil. I think there's a lot worse things America's done than elect Trump.[/QUOTE] Well, they elected Trump... who has since set everything that even looks like Obama ever touched it on fire. A civil war could very well happen if enough people can't get health care, a job, or any kind of social assistance, and blame the other side, especially if Trump pulls off a Saturday Night Massacre and the anemic Republican-controlled Congress decides not to do anything about it and rides gerrymandering to stability in 2018. I'd much prefer it doesn't, and it's not an imminent flashpoint [I]yet[/I], but we don't know when this ball stops rolling downhill.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52849967]Well, they elected Trump... who has since set everything that even looks like Obama ever touched it on fire. A civil war could very well happen if enough people can't get health care, a job, or any kind of social assistance, and blame the other side, especially if Trump pulls off a Saturday Night Massacre and the anemic Republican-controlled Congress decides not to do anything about it and rides gerrymandering to stability in 2018. I'd much prefer it doesn't, and it's not an imminent flashpoint [I]yet[/I], but we don't know when this ball stops rolling downhill.[/QUOTE] Call me when the south "rises again," and then I'll believe the talk about an impending civil war.
[QUOTE=download;52849679]You come off as the smug leftist who blames Trump on centrists rather than acknowledging Clinton was a terrible candidate. It's not their fault your terrible candidate failed to sway them.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between blaming Trump on centrists and not letting centrists be without responsibilty. Like I said, voting against can be as important as voting for. The point isn't that Clinton wasn't a terrible candidate, it was that Trump was blatantly worse. Hating Hilary was popular and it clouded people from realizing/caring about Trump's traits, and the effects he could have on the country. [editline]2nd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;52849946]Iunno man, declaring war on yourself because half of the country doesn't support basic human rights sounds a lot lower than an oversized oompa-loompa beating old lady Grinch at an election. Like seriously, the rigging in the DNC was massive shit, but America has literally assassinated political leaders and caused revolutions because they wanted oil. I think there's a lot worse things America's done than elect Trump.[/QUOTE] One of* Just because we're calling the election one of our lowest points doesn't mean it was worse than nuking Nagasaki.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;52849982]The point isn't that Clinton wasn't a terrible candidate, it was that Trump was blatantly worse. Hating Hilary was popular and it clouded people from realizing/caring about Trump's traits, and the effects he could have on the country.[/quote] I'd just like to point out here, as devil's advocate, that if Trump hadn't been elected we might not've gotten this shot to completely blow up the GOP and Fox News. They've been getting real rabid the past couple of years and with Clinton in office they'd have gone full frothing at the mouth crazy - and Congress is where the real power in this country lies, make no bones about it.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52850029]I'd just like to point out here, as devil's advocate, that if Trump hadn't been elected we might not've gotten this shot to completely blow up the GOP and Fox News. They've been getting real rabid the past couple of years and with Clinton in office they'd have gone full frothing at the mouth crazy - and Congress is where the real power in this country lies, make no bones about it.[/QUOTE] You're absolutely right and although I hate the alt-right and the fact that it's had a rise to legitimacy I'm absolutely loving the idea that it might split up the republican party and just kind of wreck it. I would have much preferred to quell the bullshit and keep making progress otherwise but these are the first steps of right-wing politics imploding and I couldn't be happier at one aspect of the results.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52848886][media]https://twitter.com/_celia_marie_/status/926176963341012992[/media] Bitch, fuck off. Jesus fuck, I would've preferred Hillary too but Hillary apologists are fucking insane.[/QUOTE] this is that Russian paid propaganda where extreme views polarize the us public?
[QUOTE=Ithon;52850057]this is that Russian paid propaganda where extreme views polarize the us public?[/QUOTE] The scary part is, it's impossible to tell apart from the real deal without some digging.
[QUOTE=Ithon;52850057]this is that Russian paid propaganda where extreme views polarize the us public?[/QUOTE] if that's a Russian account I feel pretty stupid but IDK if there's a list it's still a sentiment I've seen echoed by real Democrats, this refusal to blame Clinton because they don't want to appear insufficiently progressive (and probably also, ultimately, because they're scared she'll turn the money off) and they still can't seem to come up with a solid platform and talk about what that they're for, just "vote for us we're not Trump! #resist"
[QUOTE=Popularvote;52847562]Hillary Clinton will go down as the biggest loser of this century.[/QUOTE] Cough American people Cough
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52849967]Well, they elected Trump... who has since set everything that even looks like Obama ever touched it on fire. A civil war could very well happen if enough people can't get health care, a job, or any kind of social assistance, and blame the other side, especially if Trump pulls off a Saturday Night Massacre and the anemic Republican-controlled Congress decides not to do anything about it and rides gerrymandering to stability in 2018. I'd much prefer it doesn't, and it's not an imminent flashpoint [I]yet[/I], but we don't know when this ball stops rolling downhill.[/QUOTE] The dissolution of the US as a super power could very well lead to another civil war. Dramatic political changes and loss of international power would wreak havoc nationally. If Ideological polarization still persist during the dissolution it may very well lead to a flashpoint.
[QUOTE=AnnieOakley;52849543] Don't, instead do something to achieve what you wish and stop what you truly fear. Help stop net neutrality from being boned by researching how to, work within your city to help build in areas you feel are lacking, and above all don't mourn when something happens that you don't want to happen. Don't brood over your shame, that's just the body mourning past mistakes. Vote, make noise, and be the best you can to help make a better world. Your grandparents and ancestors likely experienced far worse, and yet you're here today. We're always working to fix the mistakes of our ancestors to improve the future of our descendants, the same as it's been. Our ancestors lived through what we see as hellish circumstances for experiences of joy and for those they loved, do the same and greater for everyone you love as well as yourself.[/QUOTE] I don't have much of a city, much less a town. It's rural to semi-rural, so I'm not even sure we have a active council. We have a volunteer fire department and don't have a dedicated police department. I'll still vote, but I don't feel like it matters. I made the mistake of looking at the voting districts of my state (TX) and realized it's gerrymandered to hell and back. I'm hoping the Supreme Court rules against political gerrymandering so that I have a voice again. I am not sure how much trying to send my comments and opinions to the FCC would help, they haven't been keen to listening to citizens at least from my point of view.
I think it's important to note the context of the election, I'm sure most centrists or people that generally wheren't excited for Hillary realized she was the lesser of two evils, in most polls in most places Hillary was more favorable, so much more favorable that most polling aggregators aside from 538 gave Hillary a 90+% chance to win. If she was such a sure win there really isn't much of a reason for someone who merely dislikes her less than trump to vote for her.
Can you imagine if she was president right now when this news got out ? She'd get impeached on the spot. That be both Clintons getting impeached while in the white house.
We could've had President Mother Fucking Bernie fucking Sanders. But no. It was HER turn don't you fucking KNOW. Fuck her. Fuck the DNC. They got Trump elected by pure fucking stupidity. Just like Trump, she thinks shes fucking entitled to everything under the fucking sun.
You should always vote. You're just dooming yourself to irrelevancy if you don't. You're not taking steps to change this terrible government if you don't vote.
Sorry, I'm not voting for a candidate who hasn't earned my vote. If no candidate earns my vote, I don't vote. That's how it is.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52852118]Sorry, I'm not voting for a candidate who hasn't earned my vote. If no candidate earns my vote, I don't vote. That's how it is.[/QUOTE] Yep, I'm of the opinion that voting for the lesser evil just enables the powers that be to advocate election of shittier and shittier people.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52852118]Sorry, I'm not voting for a candidate who hasn't earned my vote. If no candidate earns my vote, I don't vote. That's how it is.[/QUOTE] I didn't say to vote for anyone in particular. Just to always vote.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52852118]Sorry, I'm not voting for a candidate who hasn't earned my vote. If no candidate earns my vote, I don't vote. That's how it is.[/QUOTE] Still go vote, just vote in your local elections. You know there is more than the President to vote for right?
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52852118]Sorry, I'm not voting for a candidate who hasn't earned my vote. If no candidate earns my vote, I don't vote. That's how it is.[/QUOTE] congrats on contributing to our current situation!
Reminder that Donna Brazile was fired from her contributor position at CNN for giving the Clinton campaign debate questions during the primary. I don't doubt that the DNC was in the tank for Clinton, but there's a part of this article that just feels like Brazile is attempting to disassociate herself from the mess she was a part of. She's hardly innocent in any of this.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52852737]That's just victim blaming. We are at the mercy of the ignorant.[/QUOTE] And those that try to suppress the vote [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Maegord;52852904] I don't doubt that the DNC was in the tank for Clinton, but there's a part of this article that just feels like Brazile is attempting to disassociate herself from the mess she was a part of.[/QUOTE] probably true
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52852727]Still go vote, just vote in your local elections. You know there is more than the President to vote for right?[/QUOTE] I was told to stay home from folks who said if I wasn't going to vote Hillary to stay home. So I did. Clinton never appealed to me as a candidate to begin with so that was an easy choice. Enthusiastic voters vote. Unenthusiastic voters don't.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52853794]I was told to stay home from folks who said if I wasn't going to vote Hillary to stay home. So I did. Clinton never appealed to me as a candidate to begin with so that was an easy choice. Enthusiastic voters vote. Unenthusiastic voters don't.[/QUOTE] There were at least 10 different elections to vote on when I went, excluding the president. Both state politicians and local people. You can leave anything blank, not liking the presidential candidates is hardly an excuse.
I didn't provide an excuse. I gave an explanation.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52852118]Sorry, I'm not voting for a candidate who hasn't earned my vote. If no candidate earns my vote, I don't vote. That's how it is.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Hick2;52852139]Yep, I'm of the opinion that voting for the lesser evil just enables the powers that be to advocate election of shittier and shittier people.[/QUOTE] At least over here, there's [I]usually[/I] some protest party that has no intention of actually governing. Don't you have that wizard guy? Aside from that: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_third-party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2016&oldid=801114312"]The list of candidates in the election was (technically) pretty long[/URL], so even if you don't want to vote for either the orange or clinton, it's at least somewhat likely there was someone not totally disagreeable.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;52854352]At least over here, there's [I]usually[/I] some protest party that has no intention of actually governing. Don't you have that wizard guy? Aside from that: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_third-party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2016&oldid=801114312"]The list of candidates in the election was (technically) pretty long[/URL], so even if you don't want to vote for either the orange or clinton, it's at least somewhat likely there was someone not totally disagreeable.[/QUOTE] This isn't totally accurate. From what I recall the only candidate to actually make it on the ballot in all 50 states other than Clinton and Trump was Gary Johnson. There's no guarantee at all that any of those other candidates were actually available where someone lived. They'd have to have written it in instead which is effectively a wasted vote.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52854357]This isn't totally accurate. From what I recall the only candidate to actually make it on the ballot in all 50 states other than Clinton and Trump was Gary Johnson. There's no guarantee at all that any of those other candidates were actually available where someone lived. They'd have to have written it in instead which is effectively a wasted vote.[/QUOTE] And even then, some states (like New Mexico, where I am) don't allow write-ins on the ballot.
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