[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48667205]Instead of spending money on education programs, trying to build police/citizen relations, minority relations training, or cutting down on useless unneeded drug busts, let's just spend money on cars that come from a company that's losing FUCKTONS of money.
Sounds like LA[/QUOTE]
Tesla's taking calculated losses, they're not worried about bankruptcy and they have [I]plenty[/I] of money.
Also, can I just point out that this looks fucking dumb:
[IMG]http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/55f3577af92ea13a09004e31/BMW.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48667201]It's quick, powerful, large, safe, and can take and dish out hard hits because of the way it's built. It's like an electric Crown Victoria.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and when you ram into something with a Vic, you pay pocket change because it's body-on-frame so it's cheap to fix.
When you ram into something with a new PI, the unibody frame gets fucked up and serious damage basically amounts to the car being totaled.
Guess which one happens with the Model S? Guess how much more expensive the Model S would be to replace than a new PI?
[b]This is your 2016 Model Year Ford Police Interceptor--Utility Variant[/b]
[b]Base model:[/b] [i]Ford Explorer[/i]
[b]0-60:[/b] [i]6 Seconds[/i]
[b]Driveline:[/b] [i]All-Wheel Drive[/i]
[b]Engine:[/b] [i]3.5L Turbo-boosted V6[/i]
[b]Top speed:[/b] 131 MPH
[b]Seating Capacity:[/b] [I]5[/I]
[b]Cargo Volume (L):[/b] [I]85.1 behind front row, 48.1 behind second row, + 70 trunk space, 203L[/i]
[b]Used for:[/b] [i]Street patrol, SWAT, Pararescue[/i]
[b]Equipped with:[/b] [i]Bullbars, reinforced glass behind driver, reinforced side doors[/i]
[b]Base Price:[/b] [i]$30,405[/i]
[b]Gas cost:[/b] [i]~18K[/i]
[b]This is your 2016 Tesla Motors P85D[/b]
[b]Base model:[/b] [i]Unchanged from P85D[/i]
[b]0-60:[/b] [i]3.1 seconds[/i]
[b]Driveline:[/b] [i]All-Wheel-Drive[/i]
[b]Engine:[/b] [i]85kWh Electric Motor[/i]
[b]Top speed:[/b] [i]Governor set to 130MPH[/i]
[b]Seating Capacity:[/b] [i]5[/i]
[b]Cargo Volume (L):[/b] [i] 205L[/i]
[b]Equipped with:[/b] [i]N/A[/i]
[b]Used for:[/b] [i]Street patrol[/i]
[b]Base Price:[/b] [i]105,000[/i]
[b]Gas cost:[/b] [i]N/A[/i]
Final verdict:
The Police Interceptor Utility is better in almost every way except for 0-60, however, police chases are for hanging with your perp instead of trying to catch up to him blazing quick. The Tesla has failed multiple times around the Nurburgring due to overheating and being limited. That would not be acceptable in a police chase. The SUV that many police departments are buying you may call apples and oranges but it's not. Most departments may only mix and match a little bit with their vehicles (Dodge Chargers and Ford Police Utility), and that's it.
The Police Interceptor Utility can be retooled with a tall cabin structure for emergency medical duties, a SWAT team, or a 4 man beat cop response team. I messed up my math, ignore me!
[editline]12th September 2015[/editline]
Electric Vehicles are the future, but I would want a specific police variant before we get too hasty with buying these things.
I don't think anyone is thinking of replacing the fleet with Model S'. Entirely moot. Italy has ferrari/lamborghini police cars, but not for their whole fleet. Teslas are made in California. It makes sense they would use one for their show car while testing the viability of EVs in police work.
[QUOTE=OvB;48667478]I don't think anyone is thinking of replacing the fleet with Model S'. Entirely moot. Italy has ferrari/lamborghini police cars, but not for their whole fleet. Teslas are made in California. It makes sense they would use one for their show car while testing the viability of EVs in police work.[/QUOTE]
The Lamborghinis and Ferraris given to Carabinieri were literally given to them. I have just gotten really bored of the whole concept that Teslas are going to replace things literally right NOW.
Besides, my post was only about literally 20 cars. 20 cars costing 21 million dollars. If you want an ecofriendly police car that can go reasonably okay speed, why not a FocusElectric or a Volt? This tesla would ONLY be used for pursuit, the i3 I can at least understand a little bit more.
[QUOTE=Cmx;48666369]It would be interesting seeing how it can handle a long high speed chase.[/QUOTE]
The thing is those don't really happen often, most chases are actually pretty quick these days
[QUOTE=Zambies!;48667489]The Lamborghinis and Ferraris given to Carabinieri were literally given to them. I have just gotten really bored of the whole concept that Teslas are going to replace things literally right NOW.
Besides, my post was only about literally 20 cars. 20 cars costing 21 million dollars.[/QUOTE]
Your math in both posts is completely wrong.
Barebones P85D with turbine wheels is $109,500x40= $4,380,000. You're about $16,620,000 dollars off mark.
And that's for 40, not 20.
[QUOTE=OvB;48667572]Your math in both posts is completely wrong.
Barebones P85D with turbine wheels is $109,500x40= $4,380,000. You're about $16,620,000 dollars off mark.
And that's for 40, not 20.[/QUOTE]
Yep. I missed a digit. I'll revise that.
$1,402 a month for a lease, $56,080 a month for 40 cars, or $672,960 a year for all of them on a lease.
[QUOTE=Cmx;48666369]It would be interesting seeing how it can handle a long high speed chase.[/QUOTE]
This.
Regardless of my math errors, this still doesn't solve the problem of Teslas failing under heavy user and kicking back into a lower power state. If it can't last at a high speed police chase, and is far and away above what a regular electric vehicle would be doing on street patrol, what is the point?
Edit: I don't know, maybe I have an ever growing bias against Tesla thanks to the internet.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;48667623]Regardless of my math errors, this still doesn't solve the problem of Teslas failing under heavy user and kicking back into a lower power state. If it can't last at a high speed police chase, and is far and away above what a regular electric vehicle would be doing on street patrol, what is the point?[/QUOTE]
They could probably fix that by improving the battery and motor cooling systems for a more intense load.
If Tesla made a purpose built "Model S Police Interceptor" and cut out all the luxuries and gave it more police stuff like rear seat cage, bull bars, weapon mounts, computer mounts, etc etc, you could probably get the price less than $100,000 dollars, and throw in some bulk buy incentives and supercharger installation at the PD.
[editline]12th September 2015[/editline]
Again, it's not a purpose built PI. It's a luxury car with a light bar. Put a Mercedes S Class out there and it would be just as bad. No one is thinking of replacing their fleet with the Model S.
[QUOTE=OvB;48667659]They could probably fix that by improving the battery and motor cooling systems for a more intense load.
If Tesla made a purpose built "Model S Police Interceptor" and cut out all the luxuries and gave it more police stuff like rear seat cage, bull bars, weapon mounts, computer mounts, etc etc, you could probably get the price less than $100,000 dollars, and throw in some bulk buy incentives and supercharger installation at the PD.[/QUOTE]
See, that's what I agree with. When a department is buying a police car, they're typically tailor ordered, even the NYPD's Priuses, (Pri..ii? I've never had to say that before) are specially made for the police. If the NYPD paid Tesla to make a Police Interceptor (or patrol) prototype before launching one, I would be cool with it. I'm more uncomfortable with the fact that it does
A. Cost so much
B. Not very functional
Once again, I don't want to be seen as some Tesla hater, I just think this is overkill when there are smaller, more suited EV's for what this vehicle would be taking. If I was making a Tesla P85D based police car it would need to have this, thinking as a cop:
Bullbars
Gunrack (Not sure where it would fit? Passenger side door?)
Reinforced trunk
Analog buttons instead of a touch screen (New Dodge Chargers are moving towards touchscreens, in an emergency situation it would be much nicer to feel stuff rather than have to look at a screen)
And most important, a reinforced plastic divider. I don't see one on this car, but maybe it's just the angle.
That's all I'll really say on the subject, but sorry if I came off as mad! I respect Tesla but I'm not sure if this is the way to go for police cars.
It's interesting to see how many people on Facepunch have absolutely no fucking clue what electric vehicles are like.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48667201]It's quick, powerful, large, safe, and can take and dish out hard hits because of the way it's built. It's like an electric Crown Victoria.[/QUOTE]
except it costs about 3 times more than what a crown vic would cost
[QUOTE=smurfy;48666340][t]http://imgkk.com/i/9_g9.jpg[/t]
[url]http://la.curbed.com/archives/2015/09/lapd_tesla.php[/url]
get yer cocks out fp[/QUOTE]
FULLY ERECT. Damn I wish my department would fork out the money for these things. We'd probably break them, but they would be so fun to have.
Can I drive this? Please.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;48666673]There's basically no rusting parts on a model s. So that's definitely a factor for long lasting vehicles.[/QUOTE]
Cars in the US sunbelt don't really rust unless they're on the beach every day. It's a nonissue.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;48667927]except it costs about 3 times more than what a crown vic would cost[/QUOTE]
The crown vics they tested when deciding if it'd make a good interceptor were more expensive than the stripped down ones they ordered in bulk. What's your point? If they think the Model S will be a good cop car they'll order a bunch of stripped down models.
Headlights are more distinct than the Crown Vic so sounds good 2 me
I can't wait for Tesla car vulnerabilities to be found and used by criminals trying to evade capture. Imagine in the middle of a chase suddenly all of the persuing Tesla police cars veer off the road. These sorts of things are already a disaster waiting to happen for civilians, with police the potential for bad is much worse.
[QUOTE=sasherz;48668822]I can't wait for Tesla car vulnerabilities to be found and used by criminals trying to evade capture. Imagine in the middle of a chase suddenly all of the persuing Tesla police cars veer off the road. These sorts of things are already a disaster waiting to happen for civilians, with police the potential for bad is much worse.[/QUOTE]
hello my name is sasherz and I don't know what a tesla is
[QUOTE=sasherz;48668822]I can't wait for Tesla car vulnerabilities to be found and used by criminals trying to evade capture. Imagine in the middle of a chase suddenly all of the persuing Tesla police cars veer off the road. These sorts of things are already a disaster waiting to happen for civilians, with police the potential for bad is much worse.[/QUOTE]
If you think this is a real threat, you should uninstall Linux and put W10 on
[QUOTE=sasherz;48668822]I can't wait for Tesla car vulnerabilities to be found and used by criminals trying to evade capture. Imagine in the middle of a chase suddenly all of the persuing Tesla police cars veer off the road. These sorts of things are already a disaster waiting to happen for civilians, with police the potential for bad is much worse.[/QUOTE]
Shit boss they're on our ass! Hand me my laptop and take the wheel, I can shake them by making a GUI in visual Basic and infiltrating their Bluetooth wifi data sectors!
Shit! My cruisers stopping, chief were being hacked! I knew getting these things was a mistake!
[QUOTE=sasherz;48668822]I can't wait for Tesla car vulnerabilities to be found and used by criminals trying to evade capture. Imagine in the middle of a chase suddenly all of the persuing Tesla police cars veer off the road. These sorts of things are already a disaster waiting to happen for civilians, with police the potential for bad is much worse.[/QUOTE]
You've been watching too many films haven't you?
[QUOTE=Zambies!;48667623]Regardless of my math errors, this still doesn't solve the problem of Teslas failing under heavy user and kicking back into a lower power state. If it can't last at a high speed police chase, and is far and away above what a regular electric vehicle would be doing on street patrol, what is the point?
Edit: I don't know, maybe I have an ever growing bias against Tesla thanks to the internet.[/QUOTE]
Let me just butt in for a moment here and point out something about overheating/limiting on the ModelS/X series. They don't get massively limited if you are just flying at a relatively constant speed. It's the repeated regenerative breaking that generates enormous amounts of heat. There's enough videos of people cruising at 200 clicks for long periods on the autobahn to back that one up.
The reason the cars perform like shit on tracks is because it's continuous accel/decel, and that generates tons of heat. If it's just a drag race chasing some idiot at 100-120 mph, the cars can sustain that without issue. Apparently you can still run into power limitations under certain circumstances, but it can still get to those speeds and stay there, it's just not a rocket sled for acceleration (actually the acceleration of the Model S/X is pretty mediocre past 60mph anyways. It just responds faster than a gas car.)
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;48669465]Let me just butt in for a moment here and point out something about overheating/limiting on the ModelS/X series. They don't get massively limited if you are just flying at a relatively constant speed. It's the repeated regenerative breaking that generates enormous amounts of heat. There's enough videos of people cruising at 200 clicks for long periods on the autobahn to back that one up.
The reason the cars perform like shit on tracks is because it's continuous accel/decel, and that generates tons of heat. If it's just a drag race chasing some idiot at 100-120 mph, the cars can sustain that without issue. Apparently you can still run into power limitations under certain circumstances, but it can still get to those speeds and stay there, it's just not a rocket sled for acceleration (actually the acceleration of the Model S/X is pretty mediocre past 60mph anyways. It just responds faster than a gas car.)[/QUOTE]
I wonder if that couldn't be fixed by supplementing the battery with some supercapacitors as these don't have nearly as much trouble with rapid charging and discharging as chemical batteries do.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48668835]hello my name is sasherz and I don't know what a tesla is[/QUOTE]
his comment is dumb, but yours sounds like you're saying tesla can do no wrong
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48669721]I wonder if that couldn't be fixed by supplementing the battery with some supercapacitors as these don't have nearly as much trouble with rapid charging and discharging as chemical batteries do.[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that it's not the battery, it's the inverter, and possibly the motors themselves. If you think about it, it makes sense, because the packs can handle 120 kw charges without a problem, and regen is less than half of that.
[QUOTE=meatwad253;48668172]Can I drive this? Please.[/QUOTE]
Not this, but if you want to drive a Model S, go to Teslas website and look for test drive events, you don't even have to want to buy the car. All you do is wait till a test drive event is by you and it's close to that date, and set up an appointment.
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