16 year old Pizza delivery boy rapes woman in Manhattan apartment while her daughter slept beside he
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[QUOTE=lulzlalz;37927794][B]Either way, if he's innocent:[/B]
He still loses his job.
He still has a record on him.
The whole media has still reported him as 'EVIL RAPIST'.
And depending on the state, still registered as a sex offender.
Men will always lose, unless true gender equality is made.[/QUOTE]
Please explain what he was doing in someone's apartment in the middle of the night (probably forensic evidence supporting this) inside of a woman's room.
[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=lavacano;37928355]Because it [B]is[/B] a possibility.
It's not the norm, but it still happens. Can you blame me for wanting to be thorough in my knowledge of the case?[/QUOTE]
It's a "possibility" that's always postulated in rape cases posted on FP, but seems to be oddly missing in theft, assault, or murder cases. The simple fact that FP (and the internet in general) seems to always demand we entertain the possibility that the woman is lying makes this extend a bit more beyond simple "covering the bases." Again, especially since I've never seen a long argument explode in a murder thread where someone says, "well, maybe he didn't do it."
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37928320]Are you seriously suggesting the guy was simply trying to rob her, but for reasons unknown she instead decided to throw a non-existent rape charge at him for... Some reason?[/QUOTE]
No, he's suggesting she may have been mistaken.
Which is not misogynistic in the slightest since both genders are capable of making such a mistake.
People do like to throw names around without listening to what people are saying.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37928378]It's a "possibility" that's always postulated in rape cases posted on FP, but seems to be oddly missing in theft, assault, or murder cases. The simple fact that FP (and the internet in general) seems to always demand we entertain the possibility that the woman is lying makes this extend a bit more beyond simple "covering the bases." Again, especially since I've never seen a long argument explode in a murder thread where someone says, "well, maybe he didn't do it."[/QUOTE]
Just a thought, but it might be because if someone is investigated for murder, theft, or assault, there's usually clear and undeniable evidence implicating them. Whereas, with rape, it's typically the opposite, with very little to go on beyond the victim's testimony.
Just a thought. I could very well be wrong.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;37927794]Either way, if he's innocent:
He still loses his job.
He still has a record on him.
The whole media has still reported him as 'EVIL RAPIST'.
And depending on the state, still registered as a sex offender.
Men will always lose, unless true gender equality is made.[/QUOTE]
Gender equality happens when the entirety of this Earth drops the bullshit ideas of big manly masculinity and dainty girly femininity, curve our 'passions', and realize and eliminate our own sexual instincts. Men and women all lose in their own way because of misconceptions and stereotypes and such.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;37928885]So never?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, we'll probably all burn out and die before something like that happens.
You guys should wait for more evidence to appear before shouting "RAPE" or "NOT RAPE".
[QUOTE=Paramud;37927583]There is a bit of a difference between doubting something with (seemingly) suspicious circumstances and hating women.[/QUOTE]
If there was even the slightest evidence that she could be lying I'd understand, but there is literally no evidence she's lying. People are trying to come up with the most insane nonsense like "well if he only put his penis in her for 30s he probably didn't orgasm so it's not rape". Are you fucking kidding me? There does not have to be an orgasm for it to be rape, it is still rape no matter how brief though obviously worse if it goes on longer
[QUOTE=Ern;37929060]You guys should wait for more evidence to appear before shouting "RAPE" or "NOT RAPE".[/QUOTE]
Reading over the posts, it doesn't look like anyone, with the exception of one post, is claiming either.
[editline]oh hamburgers[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elspin;37929090]If there was even the slightest evidence that she could be lying I'd understand, but there is literally no evidence she's lying. People are trying to come up with the most insane nonsense like "well if he only put his penis in her for 30s he probably didn't orgasm so it's not rape". Are you fucking kidding me? There does not have to be an orgasm for it to be rape, it is still rape no matter how brief though obviously worse if it goes on longer[/QUOTE]
You probably should've replied directly to those posts, then, because it seemed like you were saying these:
[QUOTE=Scotchair;37920262]This doesnt make sense to me... especially the fact that the 7 year old never woke up. It doesn't add up IMO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=zombays;37922643]Yeah, nothing at all adds up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37924235]So wait, she was jumped on, screamed and cried but it didn't wake her daughter who was sleeping RIGHT NEXT TO HER up?
This sounds fishy as fuck.[/QUOTE]
Were misogynistic.
[QUOTE=Ern;37929060]You guys should wait for more evidence to appear before shouting "RAPE" or "NOT RAPE".[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying either - obviously everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The point of my post earlier is not that everyone should just believe her with no evidence and convict the guy without trial, but that falsely reported rapes are extremely uncommon and it's very creepy how frequently people on try to claim that
[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Paramud;37929096]You probably should've replied directly to those posts, then, because it seemed like you were saying these:
Were misogynistic.[/QUOTE]
Although those are nowhere near the worst offenders, they still are a bit ridiculous. Claiming that someone may be lying about rape because a scream didn't wake their kid up is just plain silly. Lots of kids are heavy sleepers, and the whole ordeal only lasted 30 seconds.
[QUOTE=geel9;37923860]Don't say that. Sanius, thisispain and Lankist will school y'all MISOGYNISTSSSSS[/QUOTE]
sorry to disappoint you i don't want to start a fight with FP's rape detectives when they're so busy at work
[QUOTE=thisispain;37929425]sorry to disappoint you i don't want to start a fight with FP's rape detectives when they're so busy at work[/QUOTE]
I wonder if we Facepunch has fringe division, if we have forensic analysts and rape detectives and wizards and such.
If the dude stole the iPhone legitimately I'm wondering if he didn't attempt rape at all, but was caught stealing and it ended up as a struggle (versus intent of rape)
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37924235]So wait, she was jumped on, screamed and cried but it didn't wake her daughter who was sleeping RIGHT NEXT TO HER up?
This sounds fishy as fuck.[/QUOTE]
My little brother (9) can sleep through a fucking earthquake and not wake up.
Kids are heavy sleepers.
why do some of you always have to pull the "you're all misogynists" card
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;37929592]why do some of you always have to pull the "you're all misogynists" card[/QUOTE]
probably because you're all misogynists
i mean that's just my interpretation based on the words presented
Nobody should be arguing in his favor at this point.
There was no reason for him to be in the apartment, he literally checked doors to find one that's unlocked.
So we know for a fact that breaking and entering is a part of it. Beyond that we know that he ended up on top of a woman and she claims that he was trying/succeeded at raping her.
The child not waking up is a bit odd but this is pretty damning either way guys. Kid's a scumbag in one way or another no matter how you look at it.
Forensics will figure out the rest.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37929604]probably because you're all misogynists
i mean that's just my interpretation based on the words presented[/QUOTE]
I thought you didn't want to start this.
[QUOTE=Paramud;37929681]I thought you didn't want to start this.[/QUOTE]
really you couldn't detect even the slightest sarcasm in what i posted?
[quote]sorry to disappoint you i don't want to start a fight with FP's rape detectives when they're so busy at work[/quote]
i thought it was like super-obvious or whatever
[QUOTE=thisispain;37929604]probably because you're all misogynists
i mean that's just my interpretation based on the words presented[/QUOTE]
Honestly you're on a forum full of liberal young people. Nobody here THINKS they're a misogynist, even if they are.
Calling them misogynists will just cause a mental block. They'll decide that your worldview is widely different from theirs, and impossibly politically correct.
Then they'll argue with you about anything and you'll verbally dance around while you wait for them to fail at thinking a post through properly and say something stupid and misogynist.
I'm sorry it's just so tiring and is in no way constructive at all.
[QUOTE=froztshock;37929768]Honestly you're on a forum full of liberal young people. Nobody here THINKS they're a misogynist, even if they are.
Calling them misogynists will just cause a mental block. They'll decide that your worldview is widely different from theirs, and impossibly politically correct.
Then they'll argue with you about anything and you'll verbally dance around while you wait for them to fail at thinking a post through properly and say something stupid and misogynist.
I'm sorry it's just so tiring and is in no way constructive at all.[/QUOTE]
well at least you'll get a couple of funny quotes out of it
that's really dumb, like for real. She can just call the pizza place up and get all your deets.
poor show
[QUOTE=aznz888;37920744]Either he's the most desperate deliveryboy known to man, or he's got a mental condition.[/QUOTE]
Which in other words, he does have a mental condition.
People don't realize this, but, most people in prison have an underdeveloped frontal lobe. Their brains are literally not functioning as they should be, and yet we punish them for it rather than rehabilitate them.
This kid I hope gets help and the lady some calm.
[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]
And holy shit, what's with all of the terrible puns in this thread? This isn't really funny, we all like to talk about equality and shit but I bet you FP would throw a shitfit if it was a guy (in terms, opposite of how the media reacts).
[QUOTE=thisispain;37929789]well at least you'll get a couple of funny quotes out of it[/QUOTE]
Funny quotes like, "she deserved to get raped for leaving her door unlocked." or "It's not rape if they didn't say no!"
[editline]6th October 2012[/editline]
I hope you get my point there.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37929717]really you couldn't detect even the slightest sarcasm in what i posted?
i thought it was like super-obvious or whatever[/QUOTE]
Right back at you, buddy.
[QUOTE=Paramud;37930132]Right back at you, buddy.[/QUOTE]
woah what a burn
I wouldn't even call anyone here a misogynist. There's a difference between being a misogynist and just dumb.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37930144]woah what a burn[/QUOTE]
Sorry, let me spell it out a bit more clearly since you didn't seem to get the point.
My original comment regarding your sarcastic comment was in fact sarcastic.
I have a feeling that you were in fact taking my second reply seriously to be sarcastic, which is why I took the comment I'm replying to seriously, in order to be sarcastic.
It's quite funny because we are both acting incapable of understanding sarcasm to say that the other is incapable of understanding sarcasm. Ha ha.
oh god
they say that saying lankist three times causes him to appear.
however
[QUOTE=geel9;37923860]Don't say that. Sanius, thisispain and Lankist will school y'all MISOGYNISTSSSSS[/QUOTE]
thisispain appeared
[QUOTE=geel9;37923860]Don't say that. [b]Sanius, thisispain and Lankist[/b] will school y'all MISOGYNISTSSSSS[/QUOTE]
oh god THEY'RE THE SAME PEOPLE