Jelly Belly Chairman Donates to Anti-Trans Campaign - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mbbird;42656578][img]http://puu.sh/50oUe.png[/img] of op 10 winners. frightening facepunch. simply frightening.[/QUOTE] And now there will be thirty-eight winner ratings because it's le epic funny

[QUOTE=Rubs10;42656893]Does anyone have recommendations for jelly beans?[/QUOTE] I read about some organic ones. Don't know much more about that.

[QUOTE=Hjortkayre;42656901]This has always struck me as a bit of a dumb argument, the whole "hate the sin, not the sinner" deal. It's essentially you saying "Nah, don't worry, I don't hate YOU, I just hate this major thing about you and think it's abhorrent and shouldn't exist!" Also, really, you're saying this sort of stuff to try and prove you're not a bigot?: [i]Really?[/i][/QUOTE] "Nah, don't worry. I don't care that you've killed someone. I will still love you and help you through it." vs "Wow, you killed someone. Go rot in a pit you psycho."

Turn off the boring machine, you've nearly hit mantle.

[QUOTE=Banned?;42656895]I could be wrong, maybe it's just me seeing people I don't know, but I'm seeing a lot of new posters or people with <1000 posts just spewing the most retard level shit imaginable for the past few weeks.[/QUOTE] 06'ers 4 lyfe

[QUOTE=Wingz;42656941]"Nah, don't worry. I don't care that you've killed someone. I will still love you and help you through it." vs "Wow, you killed someone. Go rot in a pit you psycho."[/QUOTE] ...Gonna be honest, not really sure if murder is all that analogous to being gay or transgender or an atheist. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with such a stupid comparison here, but hey, thanks for comparing me to a murderer for something I, and countless others, have no control over and which won't have any sort of negative affect anywhere near to fucking killing someone, I guess?

[QUOTE=Wingz;42655674]Well, I know this is hard for most on Facepunch to believe, but some people don't agree with transgenderism. A lot of people believe it isn't a choice (practically everyone on FP), but there are actually people (like me) who don't see it like that. For people like that, it's different than being a different race or sex. The people that are part of Privacy for All Students are just trying to make being transgender a disagreeable thing. Boxes, please.[/QUOTE] It doesn't make sense for it to be a choice. It's too hard when people like you are oppressing them, no sane person would make that choice.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;42656893]Does anyone have recommendations for jelly beans?[/QUOTE] I hear Jelly Belly is nice

[QUOTE=Wingz;42656178]The following is my personal opinion which may or may not reflect the opinion of anybody else. Transgenders don't hurt me directly. The fact that they are accepted, people who wish to actually change what gender/sex they are, is and will continue to corrupt society. It is turning society into a monster of total self-freedom and liberality where, as long as it isn't causing any direct damage, it is accepted as being fine and normal. Tradition is being pushed completely off the road as envy and lust take up both lanes. I know that what I say might sound ridiculous, but just because it isn't hurting me directly doesnt mean it isn't affecting me. I can't stop society from becoming what has always been destined to be, but if I had the money to try and fight for it, I would do what Herman Rowland Sr. did. That's about all I can say.[/QUOTE]Tradition is overrated anyway.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;42657003]I hear Jelly Belly is nice[/QUOTE] Lol!

[QUOTE=Hjortkayre;42656978]...Gonna be honest, not really sure if murder is all that analogous to being gay or transgender or an atheist. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with such a stupid comparison here, but hey, thanks for comparing me to a murderer for something I, and countless others, have no control over and which won't have any sort of negative affect anywhere near to fucking killing someone, I guess?[/QUOTE] You've missed the point. I'm trying to make a point that "hate the sin, not the sinner" is perfectly sensible.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42656991]It doesn't make sense for it to be a choice. It's too hard when people like you are oppressing them, no sane person would make that choice.[/QUOTE] Plus homosexuality isn't exclusive to humans.

[QUOTE=Wingz;42657056]You've missed the point. I'm trying to make a point that "hate the sin, not the sinner" is perfectly sensible.[/QUOTE]Except it's not because sin [B]doesn't exist[/B]

I just realized that I implied that transgendered people are insane. That's not what I meant, I'm just saying that no person would make that choice if they had it because it's too hard a life to live. [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Killer900;42657108]Except it's not because sin [B]doesn't exist[/B][/QUOTE] That's a discussion for another day, whether or not there is such a thing as an absolute evil.

[QUOTE=Wingz;42657056]You've missed the point. I'm trying to make a point that "hate the sin, not the sinner" is perfectly sensible.[/QUOTE] Eh, I'll concede that it's not the worst philosophy in the world. It's slightly better than outright, no hold barred bigotry I suppose. Still not an apt or flattering comparison, however. The argument is still not something I'm comfortable with though, if only because (in my experience, at least) it's nearly always often used in a similar method to your other argument - the 'I have X friends so I can't possibly hate X' one. I've rarely seen it used in any situation other than a bigot pretending not to be bigoted and passing their views off as accepting or more palatable, or to get folk to agree with them. [QUOTE=Killer900;42657108]Except it's not because sin [B]doesn't exist[/B][/QUOTE] Fairly certain sin isn't necessarily being used literally here. At least, not by me - I can't speak for Wingz. If it is being used literally then, that's definitely not a good thing - considering things like this as sins on par with murder, as I said before, is pretty damn stupid, at best.

[QUOTE=Wingz;42656794]I have friends that are homosexual [b]and I have friends that are atheist.[/b][/QUOTE] Oh, it's starting to make sense now. "Tradition" changes pretty fluidly. Right now there is a big push for equality in sex, race, gender and sexuality. Honestly, ask yourself, is giving everyone the same rights as you, giving society too much freedom? Because really, if you are campaigning or supporting movements to stop these people getting the rights they should have, you are "hating" them. You can "love" them all you want, but all they experience while you are trying to stop them from living their life to the full is hate. Equality isn't a slippery slope to society having no rules, culture or tradition - it's a happy plateau.

[QUOTE=Wingz;42655575]OH GOD NO SOMEONE USING HIS MONEY FOR A CAUSE I DONT LIKE LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH[/QUOTE] what are you doing [QUOTE=Wingz;42655674]Well, I know this is hard for most on Facepunch to believe, but some people don't agree with transgenderism. A lot of people believe it isn't a choice (practically everyone on FP), but there are actually people (like me) who don't see it like that. For people like that, it's different than being a different race or sex. The people that are part of Privacy for All Students are just trying to make being transgender a disagreeable thing. Boxes, please.[/QUOTE] Who the fuck actively seeks out to be LGBT and thus bullied because that's pretty much what you just said [QUOTE=Wingz;42656178]The following is my personal opinion which may or may not reflect the opinion of anybody else. Transgenders don't hurt me directly. The fact that they are accepted, people who wish to actually change what gender/sex they are, is and will continue to corrupt society. It is turning society into a monster of total self-freedom and liberality where, as long as it isn't causing any direct damage, it is accepted as being fine and normal. Tradition is being pushed completely off the road as envy and lust take up both lanes. I know that what I say might sound ridiculous, but just because it isn't hurting me directly doesnt mean it isn't affecting me. I can't stop society from becoming what has always been destined to be, but if I had the money to try and fight for it, I would do what Herman Rowland Sr. did. That's about all I can say.[/QUOTE] if it doesn't hurt you then how the hell is it corrupting anything. and tradition is seriously retarded, there is no such thing as "Tradition", religion does not "Own" the concept of marriage and America for example is not a country founded on purely religious ideals . "but just because it isn't hurting me directly doesnt mean it isn't affecting me." You do realize that if it isn't hurting you, it isn't affecting you at all, right? you do know how naive that sounds, right? Homosexuality [B]is going to be legalize, and there is nothing that is going to stop it[/B] and Homosexuality is going to consequently cause nothing more than lol guess what... gays being married. [QUOTE=Wingz;42656794]Also, for the record, while I do think that transgenderism is corrupting society, I don't think individual transgenders deserve any less respect and compassion than cisgendered people. I'm not some heartless monster who would walk around pointing fingers at people with piercings. I dislike transgenderism itself, not anybody who is transgendered. This also applies to homosexuality and most anything that you would think a person like me to hate. I disagree with homosexuality, but I do not and will not hate anyone based on their sexual preferences. I have friends that are homosexual and I have friends that are atheist. That does not change my opinion about them. I've also been reading the posts on this thread and I think that I've been an idiot. To deny someone's rights doesn't help anything and only makes things backwards. I've said that too much freedom is a bad thing and have honestly thought that up until this point. But reading these posts has somewhat enlightened me. I don't really care about your opinions about me personally, I just wanted to clarify a little bit that just because I dislike homosexuality and transgenderism doesn't mean that I hate anyone who is either. I apologize. (I'm not homophobic; don't ban me.)[/QUOTE] You're trying to say you're not being homophobic while literally at the same time you're [B]being homophobic[/B] and do a real good job of showing it. and " have friends that are homosexual and I have friends that are atheist. " oh my god are you serious "I have black friends" after saying "What's long and black? The unemployment line!" is still not acceptable. "Having gay friends" doesn't make it "OK" to say being gay is wrong and that's like, exactly what you're doing. what are you? against homosexuality or for it? Stop backpedaling and pick a side. How the hell can you "Disagree with homosexuality" but at the same time "will not hate anyone based on their sexual preferences. " that's absolutely backwards asinine and makes no sense. [QUOTE=Wingz;42657056]You've missed the point. I'm trying to make a point that "hate the sin, not the sinner" is perfectly sensible.[/QUOTE] What the hell? What part of being gay is a sin now? this "hate the sin, not the sinner" is old nonsense used to justify denying human rights to people. Good job, you're using a statement to attempt to take a moral high ground when really you're just being ignorant of gays. Gay marriage and Trans legalization will cause gays to live by a solid partner, reducing the amount of STI spread by having multiple partners. It will allow them to legally buy a bigger house and thus spend more money, helping the economy oh and its gaining a lot of momentum, by now it's basically political suicide to say you're against LGBT. More and more people are calling it a "Basic human right" and getting very pissy about anything anti LGBT. LGBT is the next "Black rights / womens rights movement". It's going to happen and people who are against it are going to be pushed away. and I type aggressively because I take it very seriously as a matter. Hell, I view "Trans" as slightly odd, but it's going to be legalized and should, as with the rest. As seen on [url]http://gaymarriage.procon.org/[/url] [QUOTE]Same-sex couples should be allowed to publicly celebrate their commitment in the same way as heterosexual couples. [40] The Human Rights Campaign Foundation states that many same-sex couples "want the right to legally marry [and] honor their relationship in the greatest way our society has to offer..." Same-sex couples should have access to the same benefits enjoyed by heterosexual married couples. Many benefits are only available to married couples, such as hospital visitation during an illness, taxation and inheritance rights, access to family health coverage, and protection in the event of the relationship ending. [6] An Oct. 2, 2009 analysis by the New York Times estimates that a same-sex couple denied marriage benefits will incur an additional $41,196 to $467,562 in expenses over their lifetime compared to a married heterosexual couple. [7] The concept of "traditional marriage" being defined as one man and one woman is historically inaccurate. Given the prevalence of modern and ancient examples of family arrangements based on polygamy, communal child-rearing, the use of concubines and mistresses and the commonality of prostitution, heterosexual monogamy can be considered "unnatural” in evolutionary terms. [3] Marriage is redefined as society's attitudes evolve, and the majority of Americans now support gay marriage. Interracial marriage was illegal in many US states until a 1967 Supreme Court decision. Coverture, where a woman's legal rights and economic identity were subsumed by her husband upon marriage, was commonplace in 19th century America. No-fault divorce has changed the institution of marriage since its introduction in California on Jan. 1, 1970. With a May 2013 Gallup poll showing 53% of Americans supporting gay marriage, it is time for the definition of marriage to evolve once again. [72] Gay marriage is protected by the Constitution's commitments to liberty and equality. The US Supreme Court ruled in 1974’s Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur that the "freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause.” US District Judge Vaughn Walker wrote on Aug. 4, 2010 that Prop. 8 in California banning gay marriage was "unconstitutional under both the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses." [41] Denying same-sex couples the right to marry stigmatizes gay and lesbian families as inferior and sends the message that it is acceptable to discriminate against them. The Massachusetts Supreme Court wrote in an opinion to the state Senate on Feb. 3, 2004 that offering civil unions was not an acceptable alternative to gay marriage because "...it is a considered choice of language that reflects a demonstrable assigning of same-sex, largely homosexual, couples to second-class status." [42] Gay marriages can bring financial gain to state and local governments. Revenue from gay marriage comes from marriage licenses, higher income taxes (the so-called "marriage penalty"), and decreases in costs for state benefit programs. [4] The Comptroller for New York City found that legalizing gay marriage would bring $142 million to the city’s economy and $184 million to the state’s economy over three years. [43] Gay marriage would make it easier for same-sex couples to adopt, providing stable homes for children who would otherwise be left in foster care. [68] In the US, 100,000 children are waiting to be adopted. [44] A longitudinal study published in Pediatrics on June 7, 2010 found that children of lesbian mothers were rated higher than children of heterosexual parents in social and academic competence and had fewer social problems. [45] A July 2010 study found that children of gay fathers were "as well-adjusted as those adopted by heterosexual parents." [46] As Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein argues, "We should be begging gay couples to adopt children. We should see this as a great boon that gay marriage could bring to kids who need nothing more than two loving parents." [68] Marriage provides both physical and psychological health benefits, and banning gay marriage increases rates of psychological disorders. [5] The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and others wrote in a Sep. 2007 amicus brief, "...allowing same-sex couples to marry would give them access to the social support that already facilitates and strengthens heterosexual marriages, with all of the psychological and physical health benefits associated with that support.” [47] A 2010 analysis published in the American Journal of Public Health found that after their states had banned gay marriage, gay, lesbian and bisexual people suffered a 37% increase in mood disorders, a 42% increase in alcohol-use disorders, and a 248% increase in generalized anxiety disorders. [69] Legalizing gay marriage will not harm heterosexual marriages or "family values," and society will continue to function successfully. A study published on Apr. 13, 2009 in Social Science Quarterly found that "[l]aws permitting same-sex marriage or civil unions have no adverse effect on marriage, divorce, and abortion rates, [or] the percent of children born out of wedlock..." [48] The Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association found that more than a century of research has shown "no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies." [8] Marriage is a secular institution which should not be limited by religious objections to gay marriage. Nancy Cott, PhD, testified in Perry v. Schwarzenegger that "[c]ivil law has always been supreme in defining and regulating marriage” and that religious leaders are accustomed to performing marriages only because the state has given them that authority. [41] Gay marriage legalization is correlated with lower divorce rates, while gay marriage bans are correlated with higher divorce rates. Massachusetts, which became the first state to legalize gay marriage in 2004, had the lowest divorce rate in the country in 2008. Its divorce rate declined 21% between 2003 and 2008. Alaska, which altered its constitution to prohibit gay marriage in 1998, saw a 17.2% increase in its divorce rate. The seven states with the highest divorce rates between 2003 and 2008 all had constitutional prohibitions to gay marriage. [2] If the reason for marriage is strictly reproduction, infertile couples would not be allowed to marry. Ability or desire to create offspring has never been a qualification for marriage. George Washington, often referred to as "the Father of Our Country,” did not have children with his wife Martha Custis, and neither did four other married US presidents have children with their wives. [9] Same-sex marriage is a civil right. The 1967 Supreme Court case Loving v. Virginia confirmed that marriage is "one of the basic civil rights of man," [60] and same-sex marriages should receive the same protections given to interracial marriages by that ruling. The NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), on May 19, 2012, named same-sex marriage as "one of the key civil rights struggles of our time." [61][/QUOTE]

Hate the sin, love the sinner is a lovely example of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation]reaction formation.[/url]

[QUOTE=Wingz;42656178]The following is my personal opinion which may or may not reflect the opinion of anybody else. Transgenders don't hurt me directly. The fact that they are accepted, people who wish to actually change what gender/sex they are, is and will continue to corrupt society. It is turning society into a monster of total self-freedom and liberality where, as long as it isn't causing any direct damage, it is accepted as being fine and normal. Tradition is being pushed completely off the road as envy and lust take up both lanes. I know that what I say might sound ridiculous, but just because it isn't hurting me directly doesnt mean it isn't affecting me. I can't stop society from becoming what has always been destined to be, but if I had the money to try and fight for it, I would do what Herman Rowland Sr. did. That's about all I can say.[/QUOTE] I'm reading your post again and again, and the only coherent meaning I can draw from that pile of dogshit is "Nobody wants to have sex with me and I hate people who do get to have sex." Get some life experience under your belt.

[QUOTE=Banned?;42656895]I could be wrong, maybe it's just me seeing people I don't know, but I'm seeing a lot of new posters or people with <1000 posts just spewing the most retard level shit imaginable for the past few weeks.[/QUOTE] my god I wish garry never re-opened registration

[QUOTE=Judas;42657446]my god I wish garry never re-opened registration[/QUOTE] I'd be okay with open registration is we had more mods and more nazi modding.

[QUOTE=Judas;42657446]my god I wish garry never re-opened registration[/QUOTE] fp is ruined all is lost 100% rusts fault!

[QUOTE=Wingz;42655575]OH GOD NO SOMEONE USING HIS MONEY FOR A CAUSE I DONT LIKE LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH[/QUOTE] Awful, simply awful

Man I remember seeing this guy on Dirty Jobs and I thought he was pretty cool, I was wrong.

FUCK Love their Jelly beans hate their CEO. My life is over

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[QUOTE=Wingz;42656610]Transgenderism has more to do with envy in my opinion.[/QUOTE] What the hell does that even mean? Some sort of kinky Penis/Vagina envy? How many times do we have to tell you, transgenderism is about your perceived gender, it doesn't have anything to do with sex or people raping you, you insecure lout! [QUOTE]Also, for the record, while I do think that transgenderism is corrupting society, I don't think individual transgenders deserve any less respect and compassion than cisgendered people. I'm not some heartless monster who would walk around pointing fingers at people with piercings. I dislike transgenderism itself, not anybody who is transgendered. This also applies to homosexuality and most anything that you would think a person like me to hate. I disagree with homosexuality, but I do not and will not hate anyone based on their sexual preferences. I have friends that are homosexual and I have friends that are atheist. That does not change my opinion about them.[/QUOTE] This doesn't mean anything, if you dislike and actively go against something (not to mention defend those who go against it), you're hurting the people who practice it by doing so. So if you, for example, actively campaign against homosexuality you cannot then say that you somehow like gay people when you're essentially and deliberately trying to ruin their lives. What makes this any different when it comes to transgenderism than it would be to any other group of people. If you say something like "let's lynch all people with red hair", you cannot say that you like people with red hair because you're clearly doing something that says you don't like them. [QUOTE]It is turning society into a monster of total self-freedom and liberality where, as long as it isn't causing any direct damage, it is accepted as being fine and normal. Tradition is being pushed completely off the road as envy and lust take up both lanes.[/QUOTE] Why would transgender people have sex or do any other behaviour more often than other people? Unless you just hate the thing by pure principle, it isn't going to cause any further social decay.

[QUOTE=omggrass;42657637]The idea of rights is entirely a western concept[/QUOTE] What about the Islamic world and China? Even the First Nations in North America developed it.

[QUOTE=Wingz;42657056]You've missed the point. I'm trying to make a point that "hate the sin, not the sinner" is perfectly sensible.[/QUOTE] I really do hate morons but don't worry I don't hate you. Oh wait yeah I do.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;42657634]FUCK Love their Jelly beans hate their CEO. My life is over[/QUOTE] Same thing happened with me and Chick-fil-A man. Been passing them up since.