Jelly Belly Chairman Donates to Anti-Trans Campaign - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659095]yeah it doesn't change what the 500 other non-trans kids feel[/QUOTE] we don't oppress minorities so that the majority can feel comfortable

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659115]Why the fuck are you speaking for transgender people[/QUOTE] how is that speaking for transgender people? that's how it works, you can't get gender reassignment surgery or hormones or anything like that without a psychologist diagnosing you

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659095]you're saying being trans is the same as being black I cannot find a way to express how stupid that is[/QUOTE]Yes, they are quite similar given that they are both a minority persecuted based on a naturally occurring aspect of the who they are. [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659095]yeah it doesn't change what the 500 other non-trans kids feel[/QUOTE]They won't care unless they are bigoted or uninformed. And what bigots think doesn't matter, and ignorance is no reason to put down a minority.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42659075]well you're not a girl so why are you trying to speak for any? despite that, it's not remotely a matter of just saying 'oh i'm a girl on the inside!' it's something that requires a lot of meetings with a psychologist and a proper diagnosis[/QUOTE] To be honest, I don't really want women in the men's room either. And since when can someone enter the opposite sex's bathroom only after meeting with a psychologist and getting "diagnosised"?

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659115]Why the fuck are you speaking for transgender people[/QUOTE]I can speak for transgender people. Yeah, Lachz0r is right. But you don't have to be trans to point out an objectively verifiable fact.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42659117]we don't oppress minorities so that the majority can feel comfortable[/QUOTE] They aren't being oppressed jesus christ I'm talking about by this fucking bill I fucking know they are being oppressed elsewhere jesus christ

[QUOTE=>VLN<;42659136]To be honest, I don't really want women in the men's room either. And since when can someone enter the opposite sex's bathroom only after meeting with a psychologist and getting "diagnosised"?[/QUOTE]Well, since laws like these started being passed saying that transpersons should be allowed equal access to restrooms and other such facilities. And it takes more than just going in and saying "Yeah, I wanna piss with the girls, can you give me a note for the principle?" [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659145]They aren't being oppressed jesus christ[/QUOTE]Yes they are. You haven't the faintest fucking idea.

[QUOTE=>VLN<;42659136]To be honest, I don't really want women in the men's room either. And since when can someone enter the opposite sex's bathroom only after meeting with a psychologist and getting "diagnosised"?[/QUOTE] i'm talking about how this whole transgendered people being allowed in the bathroom they're comfortable in. someone can't just say 'oh i'm a man trapped in a womans body' it's something that is diagnosed. [editline]27th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659145]They aren't being oppressed jesus christ[/QUOTE] i'll take their word for it over yours

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42659125]Yes, they are quite similar given that they are both a minority persecuted based on a naturally occurring aspect of the who they are. [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] They won't care unless they are bigoted or uninformed. And what bigots think doesn't matter, and ignorance is no reason to put down a minority.[/QUOTE] Yeah except they aren't being persecuted. What you have to realize is that this is not a fantasy land where everybody is happy and you can wish something to come true. Transgender women are born with penises. There. I said it. They have penises and testicles and testicles produce testosterone which gives them an edge in sports on female only sports teams. They were uncomfortable in the men's locker rooms and the girls will be uncomfortable with them in the girls locker rooms any way you put it somebody loses and the only possible solution would be to make bathrooms and sports teams and locker rooms all unisex.

[QUOTE=>VLN<;42659063]Um, if I was a girl (especially), I wouldn't want guys to just come into the women's bathroom whenever they please, and then just use the excuse, "I'm really a woman inside!"[/QUOTE] Except that's not how gender dysphoria actually works and the fact that you're implying trans* people are all perverts just makes you a terrible person

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659215]Yeah except they aren't being persecuted. What you have to realize is that this is not a fantasy land where everybody is happy and you can wish something to come true. Transgender women are born with penises. There. I said it. They have penises and testicles and testicles produce testosterone which gives them an edge in sports on female only sports teams. They were uncomfortable in the men's locker rooms and the girls will be uncomfortable with them in the girls locker rooms[/quote]Except one option actually accommodates for a minority that regularly faces abuse and bigotry. [quote]any way you put it somebody loses and the only possible solution would be to make bathrooms and sports teams and locker rooms all unisex.[/QUOTE]This wouldn't be a bad idea.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659215]Yeah except they aren't being persecuted. What you have to realize is that this is not a fantasy land where everybody is happy and you can wish something to come true. Transgender women are born with penises. There. I said it. They have penises and testicles and testicles produce testosterone which gives them an edge in sports on female only sports teams. They were uncomfortable in the men's locker rooms and the girls will be uncomfortable with them in the girls locker rooms any way you put it somebody loses and the only possible solution would be to make bathrooms and sports teams and locker rooms all unisex.[/QUOTE] if you really think they aren't being persecuted you're fucking insane or the most ignorant person i've ever met

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42659157]i'm talking about how this whole transgendered people being allowed in the bathroom they're comfortable in. someone can't just say 'oh i'm a man trapped in a womans body' it's something that is diagnosed. [editline]27th October 2013[/editline] i'll take their word for it over yours[/QUOTE] Who is "they" and what is the "word" they are saying Unless you're transgender I will believe you are just assuming what they think.

lol whiterfire you have no idea what you're talking about in the slightest HRT completely removes that "advantage" you're talking about. also you think transgender people aren't oppressed when they're one of the most oppressed minorities on the fucking planet gg go get learned before you spout things you don't understand tyvm [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] for the record both zedacon and myself are trans and, while i cant speak for zedacon, have experienced varying forms of discrimination repeatedly including multiple death threats. stop speaking out your ass

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42659252]Except one option actually accommodates for a minority that regularly faces abuse and bigotry. This wouldn't be a bad idea.[/QUOTE] What the fuck does the abuse / bigotry they are already facing have to do with this law?

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659262]Who is "they" and what is the "word" they are saying Unless you're transgender I will believe you are just assuming what they think.[/QUOTE]Again, I can speak and I can say Lachz0r is right.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659262]Who is "they" and what is the "word" they are saying Unless you're transgender I will believe you are just assuming what they think.[/QUOTE] they, being transgendered people. you realize you have transgendered people telling you this is what they think in this very thread right? you realize that transgendered people thinking this is the whole reason that bill that this jelly bean shithead is trying to get repealed exists right?

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659288]What the fuck does the abuse / bigotry they are already facing have to do with this law?[/QUOTE]Helps alleviate even just a tiny bit of the troubles they face back allowing them equal facilities access.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659288]What the fuck does the abuse / bigotry they are already facing have to do with this law?[/QUOTE] overturning the law will effectively force trans* people to not use public facilities

[QUOTE=Paige;42659263]lol whiterfire you have no idea what you're talking about in the slightest HRT completely removes that "advantage" you're talking about. also you think transgender people aren't oppressed when they're one of the most oppressed minorities on the fucking planet gg go get learned before you spout things you don't understand tyvm [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] for the record both zedacon and myself are trans and, while i cant speak for zedacon, have experienced varying forms of discrimination repeatedly including multiple death threats. stop speaking out your ass[/QUOTE] Then make HRT mandatory to participate on the other gender's sports team Wait that would discriminate against the poor

except it pretty much is mandatory? lmao you seriously have NO IDEA what you're saying. even the fucking OLYMPICS knows this shit bro cmon

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659310]Then make HRT mandatory to participate on the other gender's sports team Wait that would discriminate against the poor[/QUOTE] I dunno 99 percent of trans* people I know went on HRT to transition and thanks to insurance it's not that expensive so your argument is fucking dumb and you're just dragging in irrelevant issues to draw out your shitty baseless argument

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659310]Then make HRT mandatory to participate on the other gender's sports team Wait that would discriminate against the poor[/QUOTE] i guess this gets more complicated when it comes to the USA and it's non-socialized healthcare

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659145]They aren't being oppressed jesus christ[/QUOTE] What a ridiculously stupid post. Your last few bans shows you seem to enjoy shitting up transgender threads anyway so I dunno why I am surprised.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42659296]Helps alleviate even just a tiny bit of the troubles they face back allowing them equal facilities access.[/QUOTE] That's saying we should let blacks sit at the front of the bus because they were oppressed and it would alleviate some of the pain The logic is flawed. That they are abused should have nothing to do with passing a law that does not mention or deal with abuse.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659337]That's saying we should let blacks sit at the front of the bus because they were oppressed and it would alleviate some of the pain The logic is flawed. That they are abused should have nothing to do with passing a law that does not mention or deal with abuse.[/QUOTE] what the fuck are you talking about holy shit do you really think that being able to use THE FUCKING FACILITIES THAT CORRESPOND TO YOUR GENDER is a "privilege" means you have a leg up in society hey maybe if we treat trans* people as if they were normal then violence and bigotry against them would lessen what a novel fucking idea

[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;42657913]Crossgenderism is a great way to start a non-stop argument on Facepunch.[/QUOTE] A lot of it is a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept. The amount of posts against transgendered people that begin with or contain the word "choice" is a clear sign of this issue.

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;42659332]What a ridiculously stupid post. Your last few bans shows you seem to enjoy shitting up transgender threads anyway so I dunno why I am surprised.[/QUOTE] One was complimenting how good a transgender mtf's transition was. Another was saying that I discouraged the use of hormones on a 6 year old. Both should not have been bans but mods get extra sensitive in these types of threads.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659371]One was complimenting how good a transgender mtf's transition was. Another was saying that I discouraged the use of hormones on a 6 year old. Both should not have been bans but mods get extra sensitive in these types of threads.[/QUOTE] one was a meme reply of obama's face and another was because you didn't read the OP of the article that blatantly said the thing you didn't want to happen wasn't happening not really "Sensitive" you've been on this site for four years you should know what's dumb to post

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42659359]what the fuck are you talking about holy shit do you really think that being able to use THE FUCKING FACILITIES THAT CORRESPOND TO YOUR GENDER is a "privilege" means you have a leg up in society hey maybe if we treat trans* people as if they were normal then violence and bigotry against them would lessen what a novel fucking idea[/QUOTE] what the fuck are you talking about I am saying that justifying the law by saying that they are discriminated against is fucking stupid and backwards What I mean is that they need to justify it with either "It is fundamentally right/basic equality" i.e. gay marriage or "passing this will lead to a decrease in discrimination" just saying "they're oppressed so they get this law" is not okay