Jelly Belly Chairman Donates to Anti-Trans Campaign - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Wingz;42656178]The following is my personal opinion which may or may not reflect the opinion of anybody else. Transgenders don't hurt me directly. The fact that they are accepted, people who wish to actually change what gender/sex they are, is and will continue to corrupt society. It is turning society into a monster of total self-freedom and liberality where, as long as it isn't causing any direct damage, it is accepted as being fine and normal. Tradition is being pushed completely off the road as envy and lust take up both lanes. I know that what I say might sound ridiculous, but just because it isn't hurting me directly doesnt mean it isn't affecting me. I can't stop society from becoming what has always been destined to be, but if I had the money to try and fight for it, I would do what Herman Rowland Sr. did. That's about all I can say.[/QUOTE] some do cling to traditions, a lot of those people started very well known groups, like the confederates, the K.K.K, the German Nazi party, Alqueda, just to name a few. they tried clinging to traditions through extreme means but they all started as smaller movements and grew as time went on. we're they right in their various conquests? in their eyes they always were, in the world view and the grand scheme of things people got hurt cause of their actions, cause of their goals, cause they wanted to keep to traditions and religious belief despite the harm it caused others. you can choose to be the bigger man and accept change, possibly resulting in the advancement of mankind, or cling to tradition, where people WILL be hurt no matter what. make your call, i wont argue it, cause i know making the wrong one, your gonna have to live with it.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659412]what the fuck are you talking about I am saying that justifying the law by saying that they are discriminated against is fucking stupid and backwards What I mean is that they need to justify it with either "It is fundamentally right/basic equality" i.e. gay marriage or "passing this will lead to a decrease in discrimination" just saying "they're oppressed so they get this law" is not okay[/QUOTE] Trans* people are currently denied the use of public facilities that correspond to their gender, a right everyone else enjoys. Allowing them to use public facilities that correspond to their gender will make them equal in that regard. People getting used to trans* people using restrooms and changing rooms that correspond to their gender will lower violence and bigotry and ignorance against them. the fact that i had to spell all that out to you is so fucking disappointing

God I hate these threads so much, my blood is always boiling by the time I finish them. I'm suprised this shitfest hasn't been locked by now. We have a thread in Mass Debate about this, and the amount of stupid posts here makes this thread unsalvageable.

[QUOTE=Xilo;42659425]some do cling to traditions, a lot of those people started very well known groups, like the confederates, the K.K.K, the German Nazi party, Alqueda, just to name a few. they tried clinging to traditions through extreme means but they all started as smaller movements and grew as time went on. we're they right in their various conquests? in their eyes they always were, in the world view and the grand scheme of things people got hurt cause of their actions, cause of their goals, cause they wanted to keep to traditions and religious belief despite the harm it caused others. you can choose to be the bigger man and accept change, possibly resulting in the advancement of mankind, or cling to tradition, where people WILL be hurt no matter what. make your call, i wont argue it, cause i know making the wrong one, your gonna have to live with it.[/QUOTE] You know who else clings to traditions? The Amish. Don't pick only extremely biased examples next time you want your argument logically considered.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659446]You know who else clings to traditions? The Amish. Don't pick only extremely biased examples next time you want your argument logically considered.[/QUOTE] ok the amish are extremely backwards and far right to the point of extremism with prevalent incest and murder, rejecting technology on the basis that it is the devil's work [QUOTE=Xilo;42659479]yet they still manage to have a mafia and they do accept some technology nowadays but only if its to benefit their community.[/QUOTE] I'm about 99 percent sure the "amish mafia" is a fake thing for television like that "moonshiners" show even if it is real organized crime isn't really a good thing

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42659455]ok the amish are extremely backwards and far right to the point of extremism with prevalent incest and murder, rejecting technology on the basis that it is the devil's work[/QUOTE] yet they still manage to have a mafia and they do accept some technology nowadays but only if its to benefit their community.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42659455]I'm about 99 percent sure the "amish mafia" is a fake thing for television like that "moonshiners" show even if it is real organized crime isn't really a good thing[/QUOTE]Yes, Amish mafia is fake.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659446]You know who else clings to traditions? The Amish. Don't pick only extremely biased examples next time you want your argument logically considered.[/QUOTE] Don't the Amish eject gay people on the basis of them being gay? Is the Amish supposed to provide some 'good old fashioned family values' to support your argument or something?

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42659455]ok the amish are extremely backwards and far right to the point of extremism with prevalent incest and murder, rejecting technology on the basis that it is the devil's work I'm about 99 percent sure the "amish mafia" is a fake thing for television like that "moonshiners" show even if it is real organized crime isn't really a good thing[/QUOTE] They are only against technology which weakens the community. They are against cars because they must pay thousands of dollars to outside the community as opposed to somebody inside who can make a buggy. They can also use telephones and computers and solar power. Way to gain all of your knowledge about a culture off of a fucking tv show. Be you did this about the nazis and everything else in that post too. Do some fucking research you ignoramus. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659516]They are only against technology which weakens the community. They are against cars because they must pay thousands of dollars to outside the community as opposed to somebody inside who can make a buggy. They can also use telephones and computers and solar power. Do some fucking research you ignoramus.[/QUOTE] so they're extreme xenophobes who reject anything that isn't exactly what they are maybe you should move there [quote]Do some fucking research you ignoramus.[/quote] lol oh my god

You always have so much to say in pointing out what is wrong with my arguments, why not there? I felt calling you an ignorant shithead was a bit too much.

"do some research you ignoramus" whiterfire types, as he continues to spout that HRT isn't required for transwomen to compete in women only sports and that trans people aren't oppressed in any way. seriously i can't even handle you man.

every trans thread is always so terrible

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659532]You always have so much to say in pointing out what is wrong with my arguments, why not there?[/QUOTE] Okay, allow me to spell it out for you: It's funny because you're telling me to do research on a completely unrelated subject when you have absolutely no knowledge of what gender dysphoria or transgenderism is or how it works, causing you to reject it outright and assume any measure to lower violence against them or make them equal members of society is equivalent to making them rulers of the planet

look lets get off the amish, clearly they are not a good example for the point i was making, as unlike my other examples, the Amish are willing to be lenient, i doubt any Alqueda member would be willing to admit America is an ok country. their motto is practically "death to america!", they'd never be convinced otherwise.

/me buys a drink to enable him to sift through the inane bullshit mixed with rage and anger rather than actual attempts to change his mind. It's as though they didn't actually give a shit about convincing people that they were right, they were just there for the show. He wonders if they believe insults and impassioned profanities were actually part of rational conversation. I can do it too.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42659157]i'm talking about how this whole transgendered people being allowed in the bathroom they're comfortable in. someone can't just say 'oh i'm a man trapped in a womans body' it's something that is diagnosed. [/QUOTE] If they have to be diagnosed by a professional and not just be some creep who wants to sniff the toilets in the ladies room, I am perfectly fine with it.

[QUOTE=>VLN<;42659580]If they have to be diagnosed by a professional and not just be some creep who wants to sniff the toilets in the ladies room, I am perfectly fine with it.[/QUOTE] you have to be diagnosed 100% of the time to get anything that would allow them to go into the ladies room in the first place(hormones)

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42659575]/me buys a drink to enable him to sift through the inane bullshit mixed with rage and anger rather than actual attempts to change his mind. It's as though they didn't actually give a shit about convincing people that they were right, they were just there for the show. He wonders if they believe insults and impassioned profanities were actually part of rational conversation. I can do it too.[/QUOTE] Holy shit do you actually know how to read because I've been telling you how wrong you are and for exactly what reasons and doing some passive aggressive role play bullshit isn't exactly making you look like a shining star And you literally just called me a "fucking ignoramus" and keep trying to sidetrack the conversation so it's kind of obvious you don't practice what you preach

i for one think to win this argument we don't feed the troll with a slightly white supremacist sounding name.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42659598]Holy shit do you actually know how to read because I've been telling you how wrong you are and for exactly what reasons and doing some passive aggressive role play bullshit isn't exactly making you look like a shining star And you literally just called me a "fucking ignoramus" and keep trying to sidetrack the conversation so it's kind of obvious you don't practice what you preach[/QUOTE] maybe he has ADHD and can't focus on the topic at hand.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42659666]maybe he has ADHD and can't focus on the topic at hand.[/QUOTE] i have a small case of Aspergers myself, doesn't stop me from looking over my posts to make sure im not typing out insane self centered posts. he knew what he was doing, megafan let him know he needs to chill and try to have an open mind next time. all is well.

[QUOTE=matt000024;42658614]1. Shouldn't you be happy how you are born? If somebody was paying money to get a nose job or boob job I think most of you would be saying this. If one wants to crossdress that is okay I guess, but changing your entire gender when in the future these people could possibly decide they actually weren't fully decided could be a huge mistake.[/quote] Transitioning has a less than 1% dissatisfaction rate. [quote]2. It could be very misleading to others. How would you like it if you went to bar and met a girl and had sex only to find out she used to be a man?[/QUOTE] I think you'll find that basically any transgender person actually won't want to be with someone who wouldn't accept that they are transgender. The real issue comes from the discrimination and actual fear for their own safety that transgender people face from people who don't understand transgenderism making them often wait to tell people. If transgender people were commonly accepted this point wouldn't be remotely valid because transgender people would feel safe enough to tell people right away.

[QUOTE=matt000024;42658614] 1. Shouldn't you be happy how you are born? If somebody was paying money to get a nose job or boob job I think most of you would be saying this. If one wants to crossdress that is okay I guess, but changing your entire gender when in the future these people could possibly decide they actually weren't fully decided could be a huge mistake.[/quote] Equally we can use the same logic as leverage for keeping people in particular social, economic, and political sphere. Why should a poor man be allowed to leave poverty through hard work, good investments, or luck? Should people who have not originated from the region be treated as equal human beings, instead of second class citizens? Equally, why would any deviation from assumed average norms be allowed, and not purged/removed as quickly as possible, to preserve the mean? Because people have a right to change themselves as they see fit (as long as it does not harm anyone, and lo and behold - transgenderism have not hurt individuals on any measurable scale). That, and someone mentioned before, the satisfaction rate is rather high. Meaning that it actually makes the person happy with themselves. [QUOTE=matt000024;42658614] 2. It could be very misleading to others. How would you like it if you went to bar and met a girl and had sex only to find out she used to be a man?[/QUOTE] First of all, if it actually matters, you probably would have noticed in the act of sex, that they are indeed, biologically, still a man. If they are already at a point where that is not physically obvious and overtly detectable, then you may simply agree with that person, that they are, indeed, a woman. Because for all intents and purposes, you both agreed that to be so. That's like calling yourself a pedophile because a person you had sex with (who is now of legal age and mutual agreement with you) was in the past, a child. A strange example, but it is equal in comparison.

[QUOTE=Wingz;42656178]The following is my personal opinion which may or may not reflect the opinion of anybody else. Transgenders don't hurt me directly. The fact that they are accepted, people who wish to actually change what gender/sex they are, is and will continue to corrupt society. It is turning society into a monster of total self-freedom and liberality where, as long as it isn't causing any direct damage, it is accepted as being fine and normal. Tradition is being pushed completely off the road as envy and lust take up both lanes. I know that what I say might sound ridiculous, but just because it isn't hurting me directly doesnt mean it isn't affecting me. I can't stop society from becoming what has always been destined to be, but if I had the money to try and fight for it, I would do what Herman Rowland Sr. did. That's about all I can say.[/QUOTE] I find it lovely your avatar is a prominent sociopath.

[QUOTE=Xilo;42659663]i for one think to win this argument we don't feed the troll with a slightly white supremacist sounding name.[/QUOTE] I like to imagine it's [URL="http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Snowflame"]Snowflame[/URL], just posting after intaking a grand amount of cocaine into one's system.

Aw motherfucker I hate it when this happens.

[QUOTE=Xilo;42659479]yet they still manage to have a mafia and they do accept some technology nowadays but only if its to benefit their community.[/QUOTE] As an Italian american I just want you to know that the Amish mafia is probably the most cringe worthy thing I've ever seen on TV. Its an insult to real mobsters. Please try not to mention that shit ever again if you don't want to be laughed at.

I think wingz in his comment here, [QUOTE=Wingz;42656178]The following is my personal opinion which may or may not reflect the opinion of anybody else. Transgenders don't hurt me directly. The fact that they are accepted, people who wish to actually change what gender/sex they are, is and will continue to corrupt society. It is turning society into a monster of total self-freedom and liberality where, as long as it isn't causing any direct damage, it is accepted as being fine and normal. Tradition is being pushed completely off the road as envy and lust take up both lanes. I know that what I say might sound ridiculous, but just because it isn't hurting me directly doesnt mean it isn't affecting me. I can't stop society from becoming what has always been destined to be, but if I had the money to try and fight for it, I would do what Herman Rowland Sr. did. That's about all I can say.[/QUOTE] and here, [QUOTE=Wingz;42656794]Also, for the record, while I do think that transgenderism is corrupting society, I don't think individual transgenders deserve any less respect and compassion than cisgendered people. I'm not some heartless monster who would walk around pointing fingers at people with piercings. I dislike transgenderism itself, not anybody who is transgendered. This also applies to homosexuality and most anything that you would think a person like me to hate. I disagree with homosexuality, but I do not and will not hate anyone based on their sexual preferences. I have friends that are homosexual and I have friends that are atheist. That does not change my opinion about them.[/QUOTE] is attempting to explain that not the idea of 'Transgenderism' but society's (mainly western society) implementation or execution of the idea of 'Transgenderism' is an issue for him. Just look at everyone's reaction to his opinion. It is full of aggression. Sure, you may disagree to wingz, although this does not give you permission to use harmful language or attacks in an attempt to place wingz's argument in a lower position than the majority. I am somewhat forced to agree to the majority belief here that wingz is wrong so that you, and others who read my post will place more attention on my expressions. People are so entrenched in their own arguments that they refused to further debate. Instead why don't people ask, "why? why do you think this way about this topic wingz?". Why must the majority always try to make others conform to their belief of 'right' or 'wrong' without actually fully trying to understand why the minority holds that position? This is what I am referring to, "Such shitty logic." "wingz youre a terrible monster and i hope in the future you walk into a restroom full of transgenders and people with piercings (oh my, your traditional sensibilities are off the charts!)" The quote above is amazing, because it is an attack, but an attack that people let pass because it the poster holds an opinion that aligns with the majority. "MUH TRADITIONS" Degrading the intellect of wingz, because of a disagreement in opinion. "I want you to die" holy shit. Yes, you may've felt strong emotions in regard to wingz position and probably other people in your real life who oppose your lifestyle, but wishing death upon a person? fuck man, fuck. I'd also like to comment here, [QUOTE=J!NX;42657195]what are you doing Homosexuality [B]is going to be legalize, and there is nothing that is going to stop it[/B] and Homosexuality is going to consequently cause nothing more than lol guess what... gays being married.[/QUOTE] First, please don't talk so boldly (ha) when you say that homosexuality is going to be legalized regardless of EVERYTHING or ANYTHING. Give us some factual accurate information on when it will be, who will lead the movement, how it will be legalized, because if we flip the argument around by saying Homosexuality [B]is going to be [I]illegalize[/I], and there is nothing that is going to stop it[/B] People would be outraged. There is no basis for this argument, but because your argument favors homosexuality and we're on Facepunch, all of a sudden it becomes okay to state absolute statements. Also I think that wingz is referring to the implications of gays being marriage. How will society react once gays can be married? What economical, political, societal effects will this change have? You simplify the result of gay marriage to just 'gays being married'.

[QUOTE=Arctic Snow;42660921]"wingz youre a terrible monster and i hope in the future you walk into a restroom full of transgenders and people with piercings (oh my, your traditional sensibilities are off the charts!)" The quote above is amazing, because it is an attack, but an attack that people let pass because it the poster holds an opinion that aligns with the majority.[/QUOTE] I could be wrong but I think this one, while serious in opposing wingz, was actually meant as a joke overall. I mean just read it, the whole premise of the post is just absurd.