Insects do not feel pain like we do, but they still feel external influences.
[QUOTE=Doriol;26937484]do you find joy in ridding your house of mice and cockroaches? should you get a psych evaluation and be fined for that?[/QUOTE]
cockroaches are insects, hardly able to think i'm sure
[QUOTE=Doriol;26937363]could you be any more of a presumptuous cunt
god forbid I don't put the life of a lesser animal above that of mine[/QUOTE]
I could.
As you stated, he should only be scorned by his parents. Its easy to say something like that when it doesn't really effect you, but I doubt that is what you would say if you found out someone closer to home did something like that.
[QUOTE=Doriol;26937672]nothing
but there is a whole lot of things wrong with forcing your illogical empathy for fuzzy animals on other people[/QUOTE]
How is it any more illogical than empathy for another human? If I can kill someone and take his stuff, and I know I can get away with it, give me a logical reason why I should not?
[QUOTE=Doriol;26937672]nothing[/QUOTE]
I personally think that if the law is going to punish you for recording football without consent then you should at least get something for torturing a living thing.
[QUOTE=JoeyZ;26931207]That sucks[/QUOTE]
I laughed.
Am I going to hell?
[QUOTE=Sector 7;26935222]There are six billion people in the world.
One of those people killing an animal makes the news maybe once every two weeks.[/QUOTE]
seven billion
I mean the pun not the story.
One thing that I notice no one's considered: short of lethal injection (which is unavailable to many), suffocation is the most humane and painless way to kill an animal, especially if it's done in a manner similar to what the "sicko" did. The animal loses consciousness from lack of oxygen very quickly and typically doesn't feel a thing.
We don't know the whole story. He could have just had two kittens that he couldn't take care of, couldn't sell and didn't want to turn loose (undoubtedly causing them to die a worse death). While this doesn't explain the fact that he made a video of it, the method does rule out that he did it for any kind of sadistic enjoyment; if he had intended to take pleasure in their pain, you'd think he would have, you know, done it in a way that actually caused pain.
[QUOTE=Doriol;26937672]but there is a whole lot of things wrong with forcing your illogical empathy for fuzzy animals on other people[/QUOTE]
Its not because there fuzzy. I have empathy for any animal that can feel pain.
or in other words. the bigger the brain the more AI care for it.
[QUOTE=IconWicked;26937758]One thing that I notice no one's considered: short of lethal injection (which is unavailable to many), suffocation is the most humane and painless way to kill an animal, especially if it's done in a manner similar to what the "sicko" did. The animal loses consciousness from lack of oxygen very quickly and typically doesn't feel a thing.
We don't know the whole story. He could have just had two kittens that he couldn't take care of, couldn't sell and didn't want to turn loose (undoubtedly causing them to die a worse death). While this doesn't explain the fact that he made a video of it, the method does rule out that he did it for any kind of sadistic enjoyment; if he had intended to take pleasure in their pain, you'd think he would have, you know, done it in a way that actually caused pain.[/QUOTE]
Having the power over life and death is another motivating factor for sociopaths. That's why some of them become doctors.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;26937812]Having the power over life and death is another motivating factor for sociopaths. That's why some of them become doctors.[/QUOTE]
Not discounting that. I'm just saying we should wait for the whole story before we knee-jerk and say that he should be thrown in prison for life.
[QUOTE=IconWicked;26937758]One thing that I notice no one's considered: short of lethal injection (which is unavailable to many), suffocation is the most humane and painless way to kill an animal, especially if it's done in a manner similar to what the "sicko" did. The animal loses consciousness from lack of oxygen very quickly and typically doesn't feel a thing.
We don't know the whole story. He could have just had two kittens that he couldn't take care of, couldn't sell and didn't want to turn loose (undoubtedly causing them to die a worse death). While this doesn't explain the fact that he made a video of it, the method does rule out that he did it for any kind of sadistic enjoyment; if he had intended to take pleasure in their pain, you'd think he would have, you know, done it in a way that actually caused pain.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty obvious he didn't kill the kittens to give them a painless death. I don't know about you, but I'd rather get shot in the head than be suffocated.
[QUOTE=IconWicked;26937758]One thing that I notice no one's considered: short of lethal injection (which is unavailable to many), suffocation is the most humane and painless way to kill an animal, especially if it's done in a manner similar to what the "sicko" did. The animal loses consciousness from lack of oxygen very quickly and typically doesn't feel a thing.
We don't know the whole story. He could have just had two kittens that he couldn't take care of, couldn't sell and didn't want to turn loose (undoubtedly causing them to die a worse death). While this doesn't explain the fact that he made a video of it, the method does rule out that he did it for any kind of sadistic enjoyment; if he had intended to take pleasure in their pain, you'd think he would have, you know, done it in a way that actually caused pain.[/QUOTE]
It's the girl throwing puppies in the river all over again.
[QUOTE=IconWicked;26937905]Not discounting that. I'm just saying we should wait for the whole story before we knee-jerk and say that he should be thrown in prison for life.[/QUOTE]
No one sauid that. in fact more people say nothing should happen to him at all.
[QUOTE=Shoe Phone;26937907]It's pretty obvious he didn't kill the kittens to give them a painless death. I don't know about you, but I'd rather get shot in the head than be suffocated.[/QUOTE]
Guns are illegal in UK
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26936481]Prison just breeds criminals, it doesn't rehab anything[/QUOTE]
eerrrr
[citation needed]
unless you're talking specifically about the american prison system in which case I have no choice but to agree with you, but since FP is a multicultural community and this story could be the same, I don't see how you could be
[QUOTE=Kalibos;26938084]eerrrr
[citation needed]
unless you're talking specifically about the american prison system in which case I have no choice but to agree with you, but since FP is a multicultural community and this story could be the same, I don't see how you could be[/QUOTE]
I'm quite sure UK prison isn't much different.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26938231]I'm quite sure UK prison isn't much different.[/QUOTE]
[B][citation needed][/B]
because I'm [I]quite sure[/I] you have no idea how most countries' prison systems are modeled including the UK's
[QUOTE=Kalibos;26938400][B][citation needed][/B]
because I'm [I]quite sure[/I] you have no idea how most countries' prison systems are modeled including the UK's[/QUOTE]
Well explain how they are different.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;26938400][B][citation needed][/B]
because I'm [I]quite sure[/I] you have no idea how most countries' prison systems are modeled including the UK's[/QUOTE]
Well I know swedish, russian, latvian, german and american prison systems.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26938435]Well explain how they are different.[/QUOTE]
uh no, burden of proof
he made the baseless claim, now he backs it up if he wants any credibility
[QUOTE=Kalibos;26938575]uh no, burden of proof
he made the baseless claim, now he backs it up if he wants any credibility[/QUOTE]
or you could back up that your place is so much better. he could say that he doesnt have proof that without proof that your prison is any better that he is right in saying they are the same.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26938616]or you could back up that your place is so much better[/QUOTE]
or he could stop grasping on to meaningless rules of arguments and actually do what you're asking
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26938509]Well I know swedish, russian, latvian, german and american prison systems.[/QUOTE]
if you feel like it you can go into detail about those although we're talking about the UK so they're irrelevant - although the swedish, german, and latvian systems may prove of interest
[QUOTE=Doriol;26938642]or he could stop grasping on to meaningless rules of arguments and actually do what you're asking[/QUOTE]
What im just wondering what makes it better.
PETA and I agree on something for once.
[QUOTE=Doriol;26938642]or he could stop grasping on to meaningless rules of arguments and actually do what you're asking[/QUOTE]
are you actually saying that burden of proof is "meaningless"
jesus christ doriol why are you such a terrible poster
but fine just so that you shut up
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26938616]or you could back up that your place is so much better. he could say that he doesnt have proof that without proof that your prison is any better that he is right in saying they are the same.[/QUOTE]
for the record it's not "my place" I'm Canadian
but here a quick google search turned up this
http://www.politics.co.uk/briefings-guides/issue-briefs/policing-and-crime/prison-rehabilitation-$366690.htm
[quote]The rehabilitation of offenders is a key feature of the modern UK criminal justice system, and work to rehabilitate prisoners goes on, in varying degrees, in every prison.
While in the past, rehabilitation may have been directed at 'reforming the character' of prisoners, its focus is now on preventing reoffending. [/quote]
[quote]Techniques vary from educational and vocational training to help the offender learn a skill for use outside the prison, to psychological rehabilitation, dealing with various problems the individual offender may experience. Drug-addicted prisoners can also receive treatment for their condition in some prisons.
Rehabilitation takes place both inside prison, and in some cases, once an offender has been released, on Resettlement Programmes. Help continues to be provided in these circumstances by the Probation Service and other agencies, either as a condition of their early release, or to ease the transition into the community. [/quote]
[quote]Nonetheless, there has been much criticism about the level of rehabilitation that actually occurs in the UK's prisons, mainly due to a lack of funding for these programmes and prison overcrowding, which hampers effective delivery of many schemes. [/quote]
[quote]Official figures published September, 2008 revealed a fall in reoffending rates amongst both juvenile and adult offenders.
Adult re-offences fell 13%, from 167.9 re-offences per 100 offenders in 2005 to 146.1 in 2006. Between 2000 and 2006, the frequency of adult reoffending fell 22.9%.
There was a 1.5% fall in the number of juvenile re-offences committed from 2005 to 2006, from 125.0 to 123.1 re-offences per 100 offenders. Between 2000 and 2006, the frequency of juvenile reoffending fell 18.7%.
Adult re-offences classified as serious fell from 0.88 per 100 offenders in 2005 to 0.69 in 2006. Juvenile re-offences classified as serious fell from 0.9 serious offences per 100 offenders in 2005 to 0.83 serious offenders in 2006.
The number of re-offences classified as serious remains less than 1 per 100 offenders.
Source: Ministry of Justice - 04/09/08 [/quote]
[QUOTE=Zeus;26931682]here we go with this again...
human lives > animal lives
Hopefully he is found and prosecuted with the maximum punishment allowed by law. But saying things like "oh man we should cut off his arms and legs and feed him to piranhas" just makes you look dumb and/or 12 years old.[/QUOTE]
Because he's obviously a valuable contribution to society.
[QUOTE=Valdor;26939024]Because he's obviously a valuable contribution to society.[/QUOTE]
a human is a human
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