[QUOTE=Penguiin;24809026]no it wouldn't. suicide being illegal is pretty fucking pointless, what are they gonna do, handcuff your corpse? attempting suicide shouldn't even be illegal, they should force you to see a doctor though.[/QUOTE]
They want to discourage suicide, so maybe it being illegal will deter some upstanding good citizens?
[QUOTE=Jessesmith1;24807620]if you try it, we'll kill you.[/QUOTE]
Fun fact, that actually happened a few centuries ago. People who tried to kill themselves could be hanged if I recall correctly.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;24818106]Australia has turned to shit ever since Steve Irwin died.[/QUOTE]
I hate Steve Irwin,
and I'm Australian.
[QUOTE=Penguiin;24809026]no it wouldn't. suicide being illegal is pretty fucking pointless, what are they gonna do, handcuff your corpse? attempting suicide shouldn't even be illegal, they should force you to see a doctor though.[/QUOTE]
If you fuck it up, you will probably disable yourself and live in misery for the rest of your life.
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[QUOTE=hehe;24818926]I hate Steve Irwin,
and I'm Australian.[/QUOTE]
He was quite the moron.
damn my country. Very fiendnish at times.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;24807627]Suicide is illegal in a lot of places[/QUOTE]
Yeah, seems like a good idea. "If you don't kill yourself right now, we'll put you in jail."
Read up on the guy behind the ad; Philip Nitschke. He's not just some random faggot.
Here you go: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Nitschke[/url]
[QUOTE=BradB;24819071]Read up on the guy behind the ad; Philip Nitschke. He's not just some random faggot.
Here you go: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Nitschke[/URL][/QUOTE]
Seems like the kind of people Australia needs.
Too bad he does not focus on the important stuff, like how the government supresses public broadcasting.
To be honest, I don't want to see ads arguing prolife or prochoice. If I care for the issue then I can research on my own from sources I trust rather then having an opinion shoved down my throat from either group.
But if they permit a prolife advert after banning a pro-euthanasia one...
[QUOTE=johan_sm;24807627]Suicide is illegal in a lot of places[/QUOTE]
haha what the fuck, how can they make it illegal to suicide when they cant do anything to you if your dead :downs:
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;24819475]To be honest, I don't want to see ads arguing prolife or prochoice. If I care for the issue then I can research on my own from sources I trust rather then having an opinion shoved down my throat from either group.
[/QUOTE]
If that's the case, why not ban commercials altogether?
[QUOTE=Jasun;24807365]Oh come on Australia you used to be cool.. well.. kind of..
Ok, you were never cool.[/QUOTE]
So, now it's cool to kill people?
That's what it is, really: killing, whether it's desireable for the receiver or not. I'm amused by the titles we assign to these things to make ourselves feel better about [I]killing[/I], which we would ordinarily oppose wholeheartedly.
A lot of people don't understand the illegality of suicide at all.
Of course they can't punish you if you're dead, but your body and possessions will be treated as if you were a criminal. Sure, you might not give a fuck, but it creates a lot of problems for your family and whatnot, since the government could just take all of your shit that would normally go to your family, if it wanted to.
While I would never consider euthanasia myself, since I believe it and any form of suicide are incredibly weak courses of action, I think people should have the right to decide their own fates. I might disagree with someone and attempt to persuade them into not blowing their head off with a shotgun, but in the end, it should be them who makes the decision.
I'm not saying people should be able to off themselves whenever they want without and repercussions. I think it should be a choice they can make, but they should also be willing to have all of their stuff possessed by the government and have any outstanding debts transferred over to the closest family members. That alone might deter a lot of people, since offing themselves would royally screw their family.
Australia, you used to be cool but not your bugging what's wrong with you.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;24821801]
While I would never consider euthanasia myself, since I believe it and any form of suicide are incredibly weak courses of action, I think people should have the right to decide their own fates. I might disagree with someone and attempt to persuade them into not blowing their head off with a shotgun, but in the end, it should be them who makes the decision.
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You're saying people who kill themselves are weak? With all due respect, go fuck yourself.
I seriously hope that one day you'll find yourself in the situation most suicidal people find themselves in. Better yet, let me know if you end up in a vegetative state at 23 for the rest of your life. Then tell me again you won't consider euthanasia. Tell me again that wanting to kill yourself is weak.
Get over it.
No matter how you try to spin it, killing yourself is giving up on life.
My brother fought multiple forms of cancer for years. He was in constant pain from the almost non-stop chemotherapy that he was bombarded with. It is safe to say that he was going through more pain that most people experience throughout their entire lives.
Did he want to throw in the towel and off himself? No. He understood that giving up, no matter how much shit you're going through, is weakness in its purest form. He fought that cancer to the grave, like a truly brave person would.
If I was terminally ill, I'd fight it for as long as I possibly could. Sometimes shit happens and you pull out of it. People have woken up from extremely long comas, defeated life-threatening cancer, and much more. Like I said, if people want to off themselves because they can't handle the pain and whatnot, I feel like they have every right to do so. However, don't go trying to spin shit like they're brave or whatever. People don't pull the trigger or off themselves out of bravery, they do it out of fear. Stop glorifying their weakness.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;24823980]Like I said, if people want to off themselves because they can't handle the pain and whatnot, I feel like they have every right to do so. However, don't go trying to spin shit like they're brave or whatever. People don't pull the trigger or off themselves out of bravery, they do it out of fear. Stop glorifying their weakness.[/QUOTE]
And it's this bit that confuses me. You say you're, for lack of a better word, fine with people killing themselves, yet you immediately shit all over them (again, for lack of a better term). And I'm not spinning it into them being brave (well, at least not as much as you think I'm doing, I guess). Not everyone is as strong as you claim to be (who knows, you just might come back on that statement when it actually happens to you). Not everyone can deal with a prolonged amount of time filled with pain and worries.
Big up for your brother though for being so damn persistent. Must've been a strong guy to able to sustain that much. But the euthanasia I'm referring to (and what a lot of people are referring to if I'm not mistaken) are people who've become vegetative, terminally ill people who want to control their own time of death or people in years of coma (bear in mind, waking up from such a long coma is so incredibly rare that you're probably better off not waiting for it. Even those that do wake up more often than not can never fully function or function normally again).
What you must realize though is that taking your own life (gun, jumping, hanging yourself, OD) takes far more courage than you think. I sincerely doubt people find themselves in deep shit and immediately off themselves.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;24823980]Get over it.
No matter how you try to spin it, killing yourself is giving up on life.
My brother fought multiple forms of cancer for years. He was in constant pain from the almost non-stop chemotherapy that he was bombarded with. It is safe to say that he was going through more pain that most people experience throughout their entire lives.
Did he want to throw in the towel and off himself? No.[/QUOTE]
And if he had wanted to, you'd be a selfish cunt to deny him the right to end his suffering. People say suicide is selfish but wanting someone to live just so you don't have to feel bad is equally - or perhaps more - selfish.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;24823980]Get over it.
No matter how you try to spin it, killing yourself is giving up on life.
My brother fought multiple forms of cancer for years. He was in constant pain from the almost non-stop chemotherapy that he was bombarded with. It is safe to say that he was going through more pain that most people experience throughout their entire lives.
Did he want to throw in the towel and off himself? No. He understood that giving up, no matter how much shit you're going through, is weakness in its purest form. He fought that cancer to the grave, like a truly brave person would.
If I was terminally ill, I'd fight it for as long as I possibly could. Sometimes shit happens and you pull out of it. People have woken up from extremely long comas, defeated life-threatening cancer, and much more. Like I said, if people want to off themselves because they can't handle the pain and whatnot, I feel like they have every right to do so. However, don't go trying to spin shit like they're brave or whatever. People don't pull the trigger or off themselves out of bravery, they do it out of fear. Stop glorifying their weakness.[/QUOTE]
you are insane.
Oh Australia, you so silly.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24828357]And if he had wanted to, you'd be a selfish cunt to deny him the right to end his suffering. People say suicide is selfish but wanting someone to live just so you don't have to feel bad is equally - or perhaps more - selfish.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say I wanted to deny people the right to kill themselves.
[b]I believe people should be able to choose death if that is what they wish.[/b]
If my brother wanted to off himself, I wouldn't stop him. However, that would have made him, for lack of a better term, a pussy. He was brave and fought it out, though.
Euthanasia should be legal, but it shouldn't be supported. At the end of the day, someone should have the right to off themselves if they want to, but every possible course of action should be taken before they jump to that conclusion. Then, after they do so, all of their debts and whatnot should be transferred over to the family/next of kin.
Maverick, your posts in this thread were damn fucking manly tears material. I couldn't avoid reading them in Shepard's voice.
Suicide is the only crime that can be punished if attempted, but cannot be punished if executed correctly.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;24829175]I didn't say I wanted to deny people the right to kill themselves.
[B]I believe people should be able to choose death if that is what they wish.[/B]
If my brother wanted to off himself, I wouldn't stop him. However, that would have made him, for lack of a better term, a pussy. He was brave and fought it out, though.
Euthanasia should be legal, but it shouldn't be supported. At the end of the day, someone should have the right to off themselves if they want to, but every possible course of action should be taken before they jump to that conclusion. Then, after they do so, all of their debts and whatnot should be transferred over to the family/next of kin.[/QUOTE]
"people should have the right to kill themselves BUT all their debts go to their family and they will fuck them up"
what the fuck is wrong with you? people who don't want to sit in a hospital bed for months lying in agony from an uncurable disease are pussies? and they should screw their family because of it?
Are there pro-euthanasia TV adverts in America?
[QUOTE=GunsNRoses;24837865]Are there pro-euthanasia TV adverts in America?[/QUOTE]
I've never seen one.
[QUOTE=Roskarnolkov;24829500]Suicide is the only crime that can be punished if attempted, but cannot be punished if executed correctly.[/QUOTE]
I see what you did there...
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24837782]"people should have the right to kill themselves BUT all their debts go to their family and they will fuck them up"
what the fuck is wrong with you? people who don't want to sit in a hospital bed for months lying in agony from an uncurable disease are pussies? and they should screw their family because of it?[/QUOTE]
So people should be able to off themselves prematurely and have the government just go "oh lol I guess we can just pretend all of your debts and stuff disappeared lol?"
Get out of your fantasy land kiddo, this is the real world. There needs to be repercussions for ending your life prematurely as a method of discouraging it. Make people choose between staying alive or screwing their family. Maybe it'd be enough to make more people hang in there and fight it out.
Yes, people that end their lives because they can't handle the pain are pussies. You can spin it and present the worst possible case in some attempt to call me an asshole or whatever, but the bottom line is that killing yourself is an act of fear and selfishness. The [b]only[/b] exception to this is when someone extremely old is placed in that kind of situation, simply because they have already lived their life and wouldn't really have anything left to do even if they did survive. Knowing when your run is over isn't being a pussy, but sitting there and bitching about your feet hurting midway through it is pure little girl.
You utter jackass. What about neurodegenerative disease, Eh? Far better to go out quickly than to reduced to a drooling vegetable. Read about huntingtons' disease. Or terminal cancer. The end result is the same. Painful, undignified, horrible death. And you for reasons of adolescent bravodo and simplistic, naive ideas about bravery would deny them the only merciful and dignified end that can be had in that situation. You are sickening.
Euthanasia is a good thing. All the old farts will die instantly, without using our precious oxygen for their needs.
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