Police Taser student several times during altercation, "it tickles." - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35972729]I'm saying that they should never have tried to detain her in the first place. That was totally uncalled for and just plain stupid. She was mad already, and then you physically assault her by trying to detain her... This is why it's stupid to have an officer handling these things at a school. Send a teacher to talk to people like this, calm them. Not escalate the situation by trying to detain someone.[/QUOTE] During acute behavioral situations, typically if you can't talk someone down (which is what I'm sure they did before they brought out restraints) you resort to the least restrictive means of restraint possible. In her case the least restrictive was hand cuffs. She brought it on herself. There's an echelon of dealing with these kind of situations, the next step was handcuffs.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;35973415]Yeah maybe if you keep yelling at them they will give up.[/QUOTE] Or you restrain her physically without punching the fuck out of her. She's a high school student, not Bruce Lee.

[QUOTE=Rents;35970878]Pain tolerance doesn't help you any against a tazer, they make your muscles seize up. No idea why it wasn't working on her though, maybe it was faulty or something.[/QUOTE] Its natural selection, they've become immune to tazers. shit.

It almost sounds like she was on meth

I think people are missing that fact that this girl, 17 or not, seems completely deranged. She beat her mother the night before. If she'll assault her own mother she would have no problems hurting someone else or possibly herself. The cop gave plenty of opportunities for her to cooperate, but she refused them all. He did what he had to do to insure the safety of himself and those around him.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;35969937]police officer can't stop a highschool girl without using a taser multiple times hah good goin. quit your job because you're shit at it[/QUOTE] Would you rather the police officer beats her bloody instead?

The girl must have been in great shape and on some serious drugs to have resisted a tazer shot. Edit: does anyone know how she did that? [QUOTE=archangel125;35972286] I can tell you that while I could easily get control of an assaultive high school student, I'd probably not be able to do it without cracking one of her ribs, badly bruising, or otherwise injuring her.[/QUOTE] Couldn't you grab and control her instead of beating her down? Don't they teach that or is it somehow impossible?

[QUOTE=Falchion;35975027]The girl must have been in great shape and on some serious drugs to have resisted a tazer shot. Edit: does anyone know how she did that? Couldn't you grab and control her instead of beating her down? Don't they teach that or is it somehow impossible?[/QUOTE] You've never been in a fight before, have you? When someone's flinging fists at you, you incapacitate them before you grab one, because grabbing their arm will leave you just one arm to block with when they swing at you with their other. Good luck grabbing both at the same time. Oh, and that's the part where you get kneed in the nuts. You want to control someone? You tackle them hard, crush the breath out of them, pin them to the ground, and restrain them when they're too winded to move. I'm six foot two and weigh two hundred pounds. I'd do some damage and break some bones. If I were the subject, I'd prefer a taser, wouldn't you?

[QUOTE=archangel125;35975091]You've never been in a fight before, have you? When someone's flinging fists at you, you incapacitate them before you grab one, because grabbing their arm will leave you just one arm to block with when they swing at you with their other. [/QUOTE] There are moves in which you block a strike or move inside it and then feint or strike the oppponent in follow up which either results in him getting punched or him having to block the strike which gives you time to back off or grab the arm you blocked and try to move behind him. Edit: If your opponent is stronger and has substantial ability to resist pain like people who fight for sport such as boxers then a tazer is obviously the best choice, simply because of the laws of physics.

[QUOTE=Falchion;35975357]There are moves in which you block a strike or move inside it and then feint or strike the oppponent in follow up which either results in him getting punched or him having to block the strike which gives you time to back off or grab the arm you blocked and try to move behind him.[/QUOTE] None of which would actually work nine times out of ten in anything that isn't a HollyWood movie. If you've got time to strategize during a fight, you're not fighting. And let's face it, having to sock the woman across the face to stun her looks bad.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;35970647]she sounds pretty fucking metal takes one taser then goes "yeah it tickles lets go for round two" and the second one doesn't do anything either[/QUOTE] I thought metal conducted electricity.

[QUOTE=Falchion;35975357]There are moves in which you block a strike or move inside it and then feint or strike the oppponent in follow up which either results in him getting punched or him having to block the strike which gives you time to back off or grab the arm you blocked and try to move behind him. Edit: If your opponent is stronger and has substantial ability to resist pain like people who fight for sport such as boxers then a tazer is obviously the best choice, simply because of the laws of physics.[/QUOTE] Think of this in perspective. As an officer, you're not playing Kung Fu hero or MMA champion. You are attempting to restrain a violent subject, preferrably while breaking as little of their face as possible in the process. If I wanted to win a fight, I could land one hard blow. If I wanted to stop someone hurting others or themselves, I'd use a taser.

[QUOTE=Rents;35972219]He means the fact that you have to wear an ID badge around school, I've never heard of any schools doing that.[/QUOTE] At my school they're considering requiring students keep IDs on them for getting on/off buses to stop people from getting on the wrong routes/off at the wrong stops (I have nothing wrong with this, at least half the students on my overloaded bus don't belong there). But yeah requiring an ID badge at all times is just plain odd.

Back in my school, we were given IDs. I lost mine in the first week. Found it last week, 11 months after I'd graduated. And then I lost it again. Oh well.

It's a clear case of masochism. Pain is converted into a sexual stimulating experience and she feels the need to request for more. Nothing wrong with her actions.

[QUOTE=koeniginator;35971620]are we sure the taser just wasn't malfunctioning? Regardless of how much of a hardass she was, that much electricity would at least cause involuntary muscle spasms.[/QUOTE] Some people aren't effected as much by electric shocks. We were dicking around with one of those Vandegraff generators in Physics at college and even on maximum strength I didn't really feel any pain, just a slight tinge in my fingers, compared to the rest of my class (who all refused to get shocked a second time and complained about numb arms for the day)

[QUOTE=archangel125;35975420]Think of this in perspective. As an officer, you're not playing Kung Fu hero or MMA champion. You are attempting to restrain a violent subject, preferrably while breaking as little of their face as possible in the process. If I wanted to win a fight, I could land one hard blow. If I wanted to stop someone hurting others or themselves, I'd use a taser.[/QUOTE] If you are strong enough to take the person down with one blow, you could just, you know, move close and tie your arms around him/her. Also what you say about "strategizing" doesn't really apply here, what you call strategizing is just seeing a chance and taking it.

[QUOTE=Falchion;35977402]If you are strong enough to take the person down with one blow, you could just, you know, move close and tie your arms around him/her. Also what you say about "strategizing" doesn't really apply here, what you call strategizing is just seeing a chance and taking it.[/QUOTE] And then what? Handcuff them with your penis? You need at least one arm to handcuff someone, preferably two. Either way, whatever you could possibly do after grabbing hold of her (besides getting kneed in the nuts) would have the potential for more injury than a Taser.

[QUOTE=AK'z;35975945]It's a clear case of masochism. Pain is converted into a sexual stimulating experience and she feels the need to request for more. Nothing wrong with her actions.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;35971561]All the electricity went straight to her vagina.[/QUOTE] so basically this is what happened?

[QUOTE=Snowmew;35977910]And then what? Handcuff them with your penis? You need at least one arm to handcuff someone, preferably two. Either way, whatever you could possibly do after grabbing hold of her (besides getting kneed in the nuts) would have the potential for more injury than a Taser.[/QUOTE] When you hug close enough to someone there is no space to deliver any kind of effective kick or blow. Worst she might do is try to inefficiently pressure your nuts with her knee but kicks and such are out of question if you don't let go. There were also plenty potential cuffers around, no need to do everything by yourself. Using the tazer was a good solution to the situation, but I was just left wondering about what archangel said when he stated that the only other resolution would have been to "break a couple of her ribs".

Falchion why don't you attempt to handcuff a pissed off whale of a girl without using excess force. If someone is struggling you can't gently move them, lots of force is required and you will likely end up hurting them. I don't think they should have tried to handcuff her at all, but it's better that he used a tazer rather than straight up beat on her.

[QUOTE=Falchion;35978130]There were also plenty potential cuffers around, no need to do everything by yourself.[/QUOTE] Most schools only have one or two SRO's, if any. I don't know what you're talking about with "plenty potential cuffers" - letting a non-sworn person put handcuffs on a resisting suspect is extremely dangerous and potentially illegal.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;35969937]police officer can't stop a highschool girl without using a taser multiple times hah good goin. quit your job because you're shit at it[/QUOTE] it's a lot better than being sued for perceived sexual assault. I could totally see that happening. and I doubt you would have the balls to take out the telescoping baton on a 17 y/o girl. [editline]16th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Falchion;35978130]When you hug close enough to someone there is no space to deliver any kind of effective kick or blow. Worst she might do is try to inefficiently pressure your nuts with her knee but kicks and such are out of question if you don't let go. There were also plenty potential cuffers around, no need to do everything by yourself. Using the tazer was a good solution to the situation, but I was just left wondering about what archangel said when he stated that the only other resolution would have been to "break a couple of her ribs".[/QUOTE] lolwut she can start thrashing and soon you'll have the smelly back of her head bashing into your teeth that hurts. [editline]16th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;35978519]Falchion why don't you attempt to handcuff a pissed off whale of a girl without using excess force. If someone is struggling you can't gently move them, lots of force is required and you will likely end up hurting them. I don't think they should have tried to handcuff her at all, but it's better that he used a tazer rather than straight up beat on her.[/QUOTE] this.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;35970679]Maybe she goes to Space School 13[/QUOTE] But she didn't yell that the officer was shitty and cry about it :v:

[QUOTE=Falchion;35978130]When you hug close enough to someone there is no space to deliver any kind of effective kick or blow. Worst she might do is try to inefficiently pressure your nuts with her knee but kicks and such are out of question if you don't let go. There were also plenty potential cuffers around, no need to do everything by yourself. Using the tazer was a good solution to the situation, but I was just left wondering about what archangel said when he stated that the only other resolution would have been to "break a couple of her ribs".[/QUOTE] I'd be willing to bet money you've never been in an actual fight. People aren't like wooden boards you can grab and hold. Trust me, just take my word for it on this one. You've really got no grasp of the reality of physical confrontation, and I've done my best to explain it to you.

[QUOTE=archangel125;35979068]I'd be willing to bet money you've never been in an actual fight. People aren't like wooden boards you can grab and hold. Trust me, just take my word for it on this one. You've really got no grasp of the reality of physical confrontation, and I've done my best to explain it to you.[/QUOTE] Fights aren't always a clash between two viking warriors battering eachother down into bloody pulp, this time it was a college girl spazzing out and managing to bash a teacher in the temple. But I will believe you on this, I wont argue with your experience with what is what has been taught to me in theory. Edit: Violence is still not the only way, in Greece 2011 during the unrests a shopkeeper with a years experience in a soft martial art could defeat two robbers, one armed with a knife, with techniques that didn't cause them more than bruises (This was in the papers). Don't get locked intot he mindset that violence against violence is the only medicine.

Haha, no. When someone has a knife and you have no weapon, unless you're some martial artist with a lifetime's experience and some serious guts, you run. This is because 90% of the time you'll end up getting stabbed, and getting stabbed REALLY sucks.

[QUOTE=Falchion;35979462]Fights aren't always a clash between two viking warriors battering eachother down into bloody pulp, this time it was a college girl spazzing out and managing to bash a teacher in the temple. But I will believe you on this, I wont argue with your experience with what is what has been taught to me in theory. Edit: Violence is still not the only way, in Greece 2011 during the unrests a shopkeeper with a years experience in a soft martial art could defeat two robbers, one armed with a knife, with techniques that didn't cause them more than bruises (This was in the papers). Don't get locked intot he mindset that violence against violence is the only medicine.[/QUOTE] Violence causes bruises :v:

[QUOTE=Falchion;35979462]Fights aren't always a clash between two viking warriors battering eachother down into bloody pulp, this time it was a college girl spazzing out and managing to bash a teacher in the temple. But I will believe you on this, I wont argue with your experience with what is what has been taught to me in theory. Edit: Violence is still not the only way, in Greece 2011 during the unrests a shopkeeper with a years experience in a soft martial art could defeat two robbers, one armed with a knife, with techniques that didn't cause them more than bruises (This was in the papers). Don't get locked intot he mindset that violence against violence is the only medicine.[/QUOTE] Point? Police officers aren't martial arts experts, he was.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;35969937]police officer can't stop a highschool girl without using a taser multiple times hah good goin. quit your job because you're shit at it[/QUOTE] They probably can't physically hold her. It's one of the reasons tazers are so widespread. Since they tend to get around a few legal limitations. Also around a few liability clauses.