• Child killer posed as pedophile mum
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[QUOTE=DrumStick;23585472]Source:[URL]http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/7933721/bulger-killer-to-face-child-porn-charges[/URL] [IMG]http://images.ninemsn.com.au/resizer.aspx?url=http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/2010/world/2407_venables_sp.jpg&width=310[/IMG] [B]One of Britain's most notorious murderers, who was just 10 years old when he killed a two-year-old toddler, has been jailed for two years after posing online as a mother selling her daughter for sex.[/B] Jon Venables, now 27, pleaded guilty to three charges in relation to child pornography at the Old Bailey central criminal court in London, appearing by video link from jail where he has been held since February. The court heard that Venables adopted the online persona "Dawn", the mother of an 8-year-old girl, and asked other parents to send him pictures of their own children being abused. Venables and Robert Thompson were given life sentences for the brutal murder of toddler James Bulger in 1993, but the pair were released on licence in 2001 and given secret new identities for their own safety. The sadistic torture and murder of Bulger caused horror across Britain and fears about attacks on the two killers continue. Only the judge hearing the case on Friday was able to see Venables give his video evidence. After pleading guilty, the judge sentenced him to two years in jail. But he said that because he was still on licence, he would not automatically be released after serving his time and it would be up to a parole board to decide. Venables was arrested after he contacted police fearing someone had discovered his true identity. Officers arrived at his home and saw him trying to cut out his computer hard drive with a tin opener. Police examined the computer and found images involving children as young as two. There were also videos featuring young girls being raped and forced to perform oral sex. Bulger's mother Denise Fergus, in court to hear the verdict, demanded to know why Venables had not been recalled to prison two years ago when he was arrested in a drunken street fight. "Justice has not been done. These were very serious offences and two years is simply not enough to meet the gravity of what this person did," her spokesman Chris Johnson told reporters outside court. "We're surprised and concerned that he was not recalled under the terms of his parole licence when he committed an offence in 2008," he added, and called for a "full investigation" into the way the probation service handled the case. Venables admitted downloading 57 pornographic pictures of children on to his computer between February 2009 and February 2010, distributing indecent photos of children in February this year and distributing 42 images in February 2008. His lawyer, John Gibson, said afterwards that he accepted his sentence and was "genuinely ashamed" about what he had done. He also addressed Bulger's murder 17 years ago, when Venables and Thompson snatched the toddler from a shopping centre in Liverpool, northwest England. They took him to a nearby train track where they beat him with bricks and an iron bar and left him for dead. The lawyer said: "He has said that every day since what took place in 1993 he has thought about how different life might have been for all those affected, who he appreciates have also had their own reasons for reflection." He said Venables felt returning to prison was "something of a relief" and "he is determined now, once and for all, to become the person he wishes to be so that when he is eventually released from prison, he will never go back". After the two killers were released a decade ago, nothing more was known about their new lives until police began investigating Venables. Speaking in court, another of Venables' lawyers, Edward Fitzgerald, said his client did what he did partly because of the "wholly abnormal situation" of living under an assumed name amid "constant fear of reprisals". His "isolation" had led him into a "downward spiral of drink and drugs" and he had become addicted to cocaine and mephedrone, Fitzgerald said.[/QUOTE] What. The. FUCK. OH GOD EYE BLEACH
his bumhole will get a good seeing to in prison and he will probably enjoy it the sick fellow.
This is why there should be Capital Punishment. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore[/url] We have pretty low crime rates :cool:
I read about the murder this guy did when he was 10, yeah the fucker deserves to die.
[QUOTE=Vinze;23587626]If you want to murder someone for your personal convenience, then clearly, you're either highly ignorant on how executions are done, or just a selfish sociopath. But alright, time for chemistry class :eng101:: Blah, Blah...[/QUOTE] No. Nice try at making the US look like some sort of monsters but the sedative IS a sedative. Doesn't just paralyze you. And almost all lethal injection executions are quick. You sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist.
[quote]The sadistic torture and murder of Bulger caused horror across Britain and [B]hopes[/B] about attacks on the two killers continue. Only the judge hearing the case on Friday was able to see Venables give his video evidence.[/quote] Fixed.
Holy shit, I [I]just[/I] read about him a few minutes ago after watching Child's Play
[QUOTE=Vinze;23585737]The justice system is made for saftey, not vengance. So crawl back in your cave, clearly, you're equally fucked up if you wanna torture people.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with the retribution part but there are people out there who will never change and will always be a threat to society no matter what we do to them (well, no matter what civilized thing we do to them). There are people who have no remorse for what they do and when they kill someone and go to jail the next time they get out the only thing they learned is how not to get caught.
Kid kills a toddler and posses child porn: 2 years. Animal nips a person on the finger: executed. Recycling IStanI's statement, but it is true. He will only return to kill more, prison does nothing but make psychopaths like this kid worse.
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;23591086]You could argue he's a product of the system he's been a part of since a young age, and that the only world he knows any more is the world inside prison. Not that that justifies any of what he did in the slightest, it's pretty common knowledge that his crimes are absolutely horrific, but as always there is undoubtedly more to it than him being evil. Just my two cents[/QUOTE] nothing in the system would cause someone to do something like that. This person has something wrong with him on a mental level, and since it's been happening since he was 10 odds are he was born with it, and he needs to be killed for the safety of society. I don't advocate killing usually, hell there is a lot of meat I don't eat because of how intelligent the animal is (pork) but this is one of the few cases where it is obvious this person will always be a threat to society and needs to be either killed or detained indefinitely.
[QUOTE=Lemonator;23585707]This is why death penalty should be allowed. Clearly fucked up monsters need some kind of torture or something to show them what they deserve, and no, I am not fucked up in any way.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Capital Punishment would sort out our "overcrowding" issue.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;23595229]nothing in the system would cause someone to do something like that. This person has something wrong with him on a mental level, and since it's been happening since he was 10 odds are he was born with it, and he needs to be killed for the safety of society. I don't advocate killing usually, hell there is a lot of meat I don't eat because of how intelligent the animal is (pork) but this is one of the few cases where it is obvious this person will always be a threat to society and needs to be either killed or detained indefinitely.[/QUOTE] As I said in my post, I don't believe that the fact that he's been in prison is entirely responsible for his crimes (since that just wouldn't make sense) but I don't think that you can blame what he's done now on him just being evil, clearly he's fucked up in the head, but clearly prison is all that he understands [editline]08:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Arrows;23595634]Agreed. Capital Punishment would sort out our "overcrowding" issue.[/QUOTE] Oh good, you again.
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;23595757]As I said in my post, I don't believe that the fact that he's been in prison is entirely responsible for his crimes (since that just wouldn't make sense) but I don't think that you can blame what he's done now on him just being evil, clearly he's fucked up in the head, but clearly prison is all that he understands.[/QUOTE] Also the Batman rips through the membrane of our society and creates supercriminals.
[QUOTE=Namo;23586155]Is this kid like, a genius?[/QUOTE] He's not a child anymore - he was a kid when he killed James Bulger but that was in 1993. [QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23595192]Kid kills a toddler and posses child porn: 2 years. Animal nips a person on the finger: executed. Recycling IStanI's statement, but it is true. He will only return to kill more, prison does nothing but make psychopaths like this kid worse.[/QUOTE] You're not reading this. He got let out of prison in 2001, he killed the toddler in 1993. The reason he wasn't imprisoned for longer was because the nature of the crime made it very difficult to know what to do. He was ten. It's very difficult to be able to say that a child is capable of evil and because it was such a shocking case the two boys got let out in 2001. [QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;23595229]nothing in the system would cause someone to do something like that. This person has something wrong with him on a mental level, and since it's been happening since he was 10 odds are he was born with it, and he needs to be killed for the safety of society. I don't advocate killing usually, hell there is a lot of meat I don't eat because of how intelligent the animal is (pork) but this is one of the few cases where it is obvious this person will always be a threat to society and needs to be either killed or detained indefinitely.[/QUOTE] If he's mentally ill, is it really his fault that he's killed? If what you're saying is that his is dangerous to society because he has no control over his murderous impulses then you can't blame him for the crime, only his mental illness. In that case I would agree permanent detention would be the solution. I personally find the concept of a death penalty sickening. I can't explain my reasoning behind this because it goes deeper than that for me - killing someone for a crime they've committed doesn't undo the crime, so their death is senseless. If they were coming at you with a knife, by all means kill them, but if they've been detained then don't. I see human life as inherently valuable and if you start granting people the right to execute criminals then that cheapens it.
[QUOTE=Lemonator;23585707]This is why death penalty should be allowed. Clearly fucked up monsters need some kind of torture or something to show them what they deserve, and no, I am not fucked up in any way.[/QUOTE] Yeah torture them with death so they know better the next time.
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;23586356]No, but probably psychopathic.[/QUOTE] Probably a psychopath? HE MUTILATED A FUCKING TODDLER.
Castration.
Fuck the people who think you should kill that kid, if you wanna make him suffer put him in jail for the rest of his life. Way more effective.
[QUOTE=Splurgy;23596100] You're not reading this. He got let out of prison in 2001, he killed the toddler in 1993. The reason he wasn't imprisoned for longer was because the nature of the crime made it very difficult to know what to do. He was ten. It's very difficult to be able to say that a child is capable of evil and because it was such a shocking case the two boys got let out in 2001. [/QUOTE] Oh please, he's a psychopath, he knew exactly what he was doing. How can someone torture a baby without knowing about what they're doing? He deliberately set out to bring harm to the toddler. And as I said, the animals we execute are most likely less intelligent than a human, and we kill them for little reason.
[QUOTE=Lemonator;23585750]Did you read the news article of the guy who broke into some womans apartment, pulled out her eyes, raped and burned her? There needs to be some kind of retribution.[/QUOTE] The Spanish Inquisition called. They want their psycho back
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23596673]Oh please, he's a psychopath, he knew exactly what he was doing. How can someone torture a baby without knowing about what they're doing? He deliberately set out to bring harm to the toddler. And as I said, the animals we execute are most likely less intelligent than a human, and we kill them for little reason.[/QUOTE] Duh, they're animals. As humans, we elevate the value of a human life above that of an animal. The point I'm making is that I wouldn't want to live in a country that would execute a 10 year old, no matter the crime. I think perhaps letting them out was a bit unfair but I really don't know enough about the ins-and-outs of the individual case histories to comment
I'm completely against this whole "Prison is a chance to rehabilitate" bullshit that got him released. Prison is and always should be a punishment. 8 years for the brutal and savage murder of a [B]2 year old boy[/B] is sickening. That plus the fact that he has been arrested before since being released from prison and yet wasn't sent back for breaching his parole makes me sick to my stomach. Jon Venables should never have been released, and the fact he was just goes to show that the justice system in this country is broken and in need of a complete overhaul. Murdered a 2 year old child: 8 years. Possessing child pornography: 2 years. How is that justice?
[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;23598852]ngfzxrfvj[/QUOTE] Because at the time he was a child, they thought he could be changed. May have been naive, but still.
Lock him up, heavily medicated. Hopefully in an asylum or something.
[QUOTE=Thaard;23601695]Lock him up, heavily medicated. Hopefully in an asylum or something.[/QUOTE] This. No killing.
[QUOTE=Lemonator;23585707]This is why death penalty should be allowed. Clearly fucked up monsters need some kind of torture or something to show them what they deserve, and no, I am not fucked up in any way.[/QUOTE] These people need rehabilitation, not punishment.
Am I weird for feeling sorry for him? You have to ask WHY he did this - at the age of ten it's even more worrying. What made him want to do this? It wouldn't surprise me if he was abused in some way, and it's just being overlooked by the media (ie. the tabloids) in order to make more of a controversy. He doesn't deserve to die at all - What good would that do? He's done wrong in the past, I think he's pretty regretful for what he did, and we should try to forgive him. Venables has no possible way of getting a romantic relationship, as he has to come clean about his past to any possible romantic interest. Now I know that love is supposed to conquer all, but would you really be able to trust someone, even someone you loved, with a secret that will turn them away, knowing they may expose you and put your life at risk? As for the CP - My guess is he's never had the chance to enjoy the sweetness of "Young love", and is bitter for it - And so he tries to revisit his lost youth with pictures of these children. Posing as a pedophile (If it is true) is probably just the means in which he gained access to said pictures. [editline]05:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bad)-(and;23598852]Jon Venables should never have been released.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that the law system should change depending on the subject being punished, and the public opinion of said person? How would you feel, in Venables' position, about being sent to prison, never to return? What sort of Justice is that? The Law is there to protect individuals' rights, not for punishment or retribution.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;23601968]These people need rehabilitation, not punishment.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain you can't rehabilitate mental defects. Someone who at age 10 was utterly unable to feel any sort of empathy is not going to just snap out of it because you threw them in a concrete cell for a few years, no matter how many people talk nicely to him.
[QUOTE=Strider_07;23617128]I'm fairly certain you can't rehabilitate mental defects. Someone who at age 10 was utterly unable to feel any sort of empathy is not going to just snap out of it because you threw them in a concrete cell for a few years, no matter how many people talk nicely to him.[/QUOTE] If it's a mental defect, is it fair to kill him for it? After all, if you're saying he's mentally defective then you're saying he's not entirely "with it", in which case it's not so much his fault that he killed the child as the mental defect's fault, which is something apart from him in himself.
What is wrong with these types of people..
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