Dog Saves Camper From Bear Attack, Camper Eats Dog To Survive After Being Stranded in Quebec Woods F
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[QUOTE=GunFox;42745660]There are two major things you do prior to leaving for something like this:
A) You always tell someone where you are going, and when you will be back. That way someone comes looking for you.
B) Look at a map. Know where to go when things go wrong.
These are things that can save you no matter how bad things get. You can lose all your supplies and still have those two things.
The guy ignored warnings from the locals about the river, went alone, and apparently didn't even glance at a map prior to leaving.
A lack of empathy? The dog is dead because this guy couldn't be bothered to do one simple thing. I am sad because his ineptitude got his dog killed and the article calls him an "experienced outdoorsman", it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, not everyone is a Bear Grylls like you.
gunfox you should go into the woods with bears minus the dog and show this guy how it's done
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;42745684]trees tend to look alike, and that forest is very very dense
i'd like to see you navigate and survive that forest with nothing but your tactical operator dog[/QUOTE]
The sun rises in the east. You don't need to be particularly accurate, given that the road ran parallel to the river. Even through heavy overcast, a very rough estimate is all that is necessary.
[QUOTE=cyanidem;42744976]Why would he regret it? He prevented the animal from suffering and extended his life.[/QUOTE]
Man, your avatar's less machine than you.
that's okay, i didn't want to have a good day today anyway
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;42745684]trees tend to look alike, and that forest is very very dense
i'd like to see you navigate and survive that forest with nothing but your tactical operator dog[/QUOTE]
I think the point that Gunfox is trying to make is that he should have taken precautions so that he wouldn't have been in the terrible situation he ended up in. He was warned it was dangerous, warned that he should bring other people, but he ultimately didn't heed those warnings. Having a map and a compass and knowing how to read them is quite basic.
[QUOTE=GunFox;42745724]The sun rises in the east. You don't need to be particularly accurate, given that the road ran parallel to the river. Even through heavy overcast, a very rough estimate is all that is necessary.[/QUOTE]
what if he was on the wrong side of the river???????????
then what huh hUH
[QUOTE=Squidman;42745734]I think the point that Gunfox is trying to make is that he should have taken precautions so that he wouldn't have been in the terrible situation he ended up in. He was warned it was dangerous, warned that he should bring other people, but he ultimately didn't heed those warnings. Having a map and a compass and knowing how to read them is quite basic.[/QUOTE]
He could have suffocated the bear with his map or maybe smacked the bear with the compass
[QUOTE=Kondor;42745722]gunfox you should go into the woods with bears minus the dog and show this guy how it's done[/QUOTE]
I do. I backpack in the Beartooths and Yellowstone. Home to grizzlies, wolves, mountain lions, wolverines, coyotes, and a fun variety of other things. Figure out where you are going ahead of time, tell someone that route, and know what to do if something goes south. I'm not talking out of my ass, I do these things because every backpacking book ever recommended them.
poor guy, what a shit situation
[QUOTE=GunFox;42745755]I do. I backpack in the Beartooths and Yellowstone. Home to grizzlies, wolves, mountain lions, wolverines, coyotes, and a fun variety of other things. Figure out where you are going ahead of time, tell someone that route, and know what to do if something goes south. I'm not talking out of my ass, I do these things because every backpacking book ever recommended them.[/QUOTE]
effin sweet
I don't know how I'd live with myself to be honest. I understand he did what he had to do but still... those memories would haunt me forever.
[QUOTE=GunFox;42745755]I do. I backpack in the Beartooths and Yellowstone. Home to grizzlies, wolves, mountain lions, wolverines, coyotes, and a fun variety of other things. Figure out where you are going ahead of time, tell someone that route, and know what to do if something goes south. I'm not talking out of my ass, I do these things because every backpacking book ever recommended them.[/QUOTE]
ever just you know
pop a cap in a wolf's ass for fun???
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42745752]He could have suffocated the bear with his map or maybe smacked the bear with the compass[/QUOTE]
It is really unlucky that he ran into a bear, but he also could have taken the time to research the area to see if bears lived there, and then taken bear spray as a precaution. It really does just come down to poor planning on his part; he is lucky to be alive.
[QUOTE=GunFox;42745724]The sun rises in the east. You don't need to be particularly accurate, given that the road ran parallel to the river. Even through heavy overcast, a very rough estimate is all that is necessary.[/QUOTE]
Ahhahaha yeah you would do so great navigating by a [B]moving[/B] fucking object, you haven't the slightest clue about navigation. The sun only rises due east [B]two[/B] days out of the year buddy. The difference between sunrise directions in midsummer and midwinter is 90 degrees.
Please tell me more about your navigational expertise and how you would've done sooo much better than this poor guy, chastise him some more for doing what he absolutely had to in order to survive.
[QUOTE=GunFox;42745755]I do. I backpack in the Beartooths and Yellowstone. Home to grizzlies, wolves, mountain lions, wolverines, coyotes, and a fun variety of other things. Figure out where you are going ahead of time, tell someone that route, and know what to do if something goes south. I'm not talking out of my ass, I do these things because every backpacking book ever recommended them.[/QUOTE]
how many bears have you fucked with your .308 walther SOCOM with flashlight extension before makinge sex holes for yourself
We should drop off Gunfox in the quebec woods. Without a dog.
[QUOTE=solid_jake;42745050]Are you really going to feel good after killing a dog that saved your life
more so eating it afterwards?[/QUOTE]
One should know that there are things you must make sacrifice for.
[editline]3rd November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;42745167]yeah man, i definitely wouldn't regret murdering those 50 babies that i had to kill at gun point
i had no choice.
Just because you have no choice, does not mean you wouldn't regret doing it. Especially in this case, where he lived for three months afterwards 0 so he might not have even needed the nutrients eating the dog gave him to have survived. They both might have survived-the dog possibly being able to find its own food.
That possibility is where the regret comes in. And even then, if there was no possibility of anything other than his death and the dogs death had he not ate it, any decent human would feel regret and sadness over having to make that choice. You can regret making choices, even if it's the only thing you could have done.
In this case, I wouldn't say it was absolutely the only choice, but he didn't know that at the time. He didn't know he'd end up surviving for three additional months.
Despite how horrible the story is, it's obvious that the guy isn't anywhere near experienced enough to be in such an area. The area isn't exactly bear free, and he put all his eggs in one basket (and also didn't have anywhere near enough eggs.)[/QUOTE]
[url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakeAThirdOption]There's always a choice[/url]
[QUOTE=proch;42745849]We should drop off Gunfox in the quebec woods. Without a dog.[/QUOTE]
dont worry as long as he has his .45 acp socom tactical operator pistol in tactical operator drop leg holster he'll be fine
he just uses a flamethrower to burn the forest down, nothing like camping in a flat burned land with no animals
you gotta plan ahead ya know
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;42745778]ever just you know
pop a cap in a wolf's ass for fun???[/QUOTE]
Why would I kill wolves? They nearly went extinct in North America and so many people have been working to reintroduce them into the region because of the important role they play as top tier predators. I'd love to encounter wolves so I could get some good pictures while out and about, but I haven't had the opportunity to backpack through the portion of the park where encounters with them are most likely. You have to time it correctly to minimize the chance of nasty bear encounters.
You make fun, but never once have I suggested that he kill the bear or anything of the sort. I never suggested he have a gun. I never even suggested bear spray. He should have had a knife, but that is for the use as a tool, rather than a weapon. I pointed out that he failed to do the two most basic things.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42745680]It's not like people don't make mistakes, just like you make 100% of the time.[/QUOTE]
LOL
Ok you know nothing about the outdoors. You probably spend all of your time inside and it shows because Gunfox, regardless of whether I agree with how he phrased it or whether or not it was insensitive (I couldn't give a fuck personally) is actually right.
If you don't know where you are going, and don't tell anybody where you are going, that's not making a mistake. That's being a careless idiot. There are some things every experienced outdoorsman knows, and the first fucking two things you learn are what gunfox said. If you disagree with him you know nothing about the topic and need to shut up.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42745805]Ahhahaha yeah you would do so great navigating by a [B]moving[/B] fucking object, you haven't the slightest clue about navigation. The sun only rises due east [B]two[/B] days out of the year buddy. The difference between sunrise directions in midsummer and midwinter is 90 degrees.
Please tell me more about your navigational expertise and how you would've done sooo much better than this poor guy, chastise him some more for doing what he absolutely had to in order to survive.[/QUOTE]
The sun only rises [I]exactly[/I] East two days out of the year. Again, road was parallel, only needed to know a general direction.
[QUOTE=solid_jake;42745050]Are you really going to feel good after killing a dog that saved your life
more so eating it afterwards?[/QUOTE]
Kill a dog, eat it, and feel bad afterwards, or not kill the dog, feel good, and die.
I'd rather be alive and feel bad than die from hunger knowing sparky died of hunger with me.
[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42745926]LOL
Ok you know nothing about the outdoors. You probably spend all of your time inside and it shows because Gunfox, regardless of whether I agree with how he phrased it or whether or not it was insensitive (I couldn't give a fuck personally) is actually right.
If you don't know where you are going, and don't tell anybody where you are going, that's not making a mistake. That's being a careless idiot. There are some things every experienced outdoorsman knows, and the first fucking two things you learn are what gunfox said. If you disagree with him you know nothing about the topic and need to shut up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]mistake
noun
1.
an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong.
"coming here was a mistake"[/QUOTE]
What we should consider is that in these extreme cases of hunger, we turn to our killing instinct we turn into wild animals, we are even capable of eating our loved ones for pure survival. We stop being humans past that point.
Must be horrible to realize that we're still wild animals controlled by instincts, and we have little control over that.
Whats the point of this argument? Guy fucked up and made mistakes leading to him to having to eat his dog to survive.
He probably isn't exactly happy it.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42745893]he just uses a flamethrower to burn the forest down, nothing like camping in a flat burned land with no animals
you gotta plan ahead ya know[/QUOTE]
I don't see what is so bad about suggesting the guy should have planned out his expedition better. Don't get me wrong, he was still incredibly unlucky to have run into a bear that destroyed his supplies and there are definitely things you can't plan for. I don't think anyone would disagree that planning does reduce the risk. I just hope that this becomes a precautionary tale to would-be explorers of this region so that they will be more careful.
I don't think the guy was that inexperienced as your making him out to be, in the article it says he has spent weeks before by him self in the woods and he probably told someone where he would be. Plus with how the article makes this place sound I looked it up.
[img]http://www.waskaressources.ca/follow_up/Nottaway/photos/Nottaway-18_Misiministikw_Island.JPG[/img]
Yeah..... I assume he went in very deep and considering he spends weeks usually in the forest by him self, he probably told someone he would be there for a long time so after that number of weeks or month passed is when they started to look for him.
Sounds like he massively underestimated the place though considering the article says people have gone into it and gone missing for like 30 years.
[QUOTE=Squidman;42745985]I don't see what is so bad about suggesting the guy should have planned out his expedition better. Don't get me wrong, he was still incredibly unlucky to have run into a bear that destroyed his supplies and there are definitely things you can't plan for. I don't think anyone would disagree that planning does reduce the risk. I just hope that this becomes a precautionary tale to would-be explorers of this region so that they will be more careful.[/QUOTE]
It is known apparently as a VERY harsh place with people going in and never coming out, there are already plenty of reasons lol
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42745805]Ahhahaha yeah you would do so great navigating by a [B]moving[/B] fucking object, you haven't the slightest clue about navigation. The sun only rises due east [B]two[/B] days out of the year buddy. The difference between sunrise directions in midsummer and midwinter is 90 degrees.
Please tell me more about your navigational expertise and how you would've done sooo much better than this poor guy, chastise him some more for doing what he absolutely had to in order to survive.[/QUOTE]
yeah I'm pretty FUCKING sure he knows what season it is
besides if he's 45 degrees off it'll just take him 41% longer to get there. Stop talking about things you don't know about
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