• UKIP drama 'The First 100 Days' sparks over 1,000 complaints and is branded 'a piece of bile'
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[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47159400]Well you must love believing everything you read then. For someone like me, the main reason I'd vote for them is so the EU can stop pillaging Britain.[/QUOTE] what the fuck i don't know what to say UKIP are BNP lite, there's no other way about it [editline]17th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47160109]The production company claimed that it was largely based in public opinion, as UKIP's policies are so vague[/QUOTE] the public is pretty stupid though
why is farage's twitter pic so desaturated. as if looking any creepier was necessary
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47160109]The production company claimed that it was largely based in public opinion, as UKIP's policies are so vague[/QUOTE] But that doesn't excuse bad writing, bad acting, bad direction and poor pacing. If they wanted to do a character drama set during a UKIP -or any other right-wing group's- ascension to power then that should have been their sole focus rather than doing this pseudo documentary with a vague and approximate vision of what their policies may or may not be in addition to the naff predictable narrative. You can't do both when one of them is next to a nonentity before you even start!
Oh I'm not defending the program, views on UKIP aside it's just not that good
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't UKIP a far-right party of hicks and chavs? At least, that's how I remember it to be when it got started.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47160286]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't UKIP a far-right party of hicks and chavs? At least, that's how I remember it to be when it got started.[/QUOTE] Yeah that sounds about right.
ukip and channel 4 truly a great mix of superior intellect
Regardless of what you think of UKIP, it was a complete piece of shit. Channel 4 always tries to be so edgy and claimed this sort of stuff was balanced and fair. Not too sure, mainly because there's no way they will win the election so it has to be exaggerated just to get made.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47160286]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't UKIP a far-right party of hicks and chavs? At least, that's how I remember it to be when it got started.[/QUOTE] UKIP is, I suppose, akin to the American Republican Party (apart from not being in a two-party system). They're economic and social conservatives, they believe in leaving the EU as soon as possible (hence the 'Independence' part), they want to majorly crack down on immigration, and it's believed that they're in general against nationalised systems. However, they remain fairly schtum on the details of their policies so that they can change them at a moment's notice if they think it'll get them more votes. They're infamous in this country for having almost universal negative press (although that tends to be the case for almost every party, if it gets any press at all), with an awful lot of councillors, candidates and even MEPs (the most high-profile of which being Godfrey Bloom, who'd been part of UKIP for quite a while) getting kicked out for saying racist, homophobic, sexist, or otherwise bigoted things. They're arguably less extreme than they were before the 2010 election, but they're still a pretty large divergence from the current main parties. As stated, I'm not a fan myself, but I hope that this has been a relatively nonpartisan view of the party. [editline]17th February 2015[/editline] Channel 4 can hardly call themselves non-racist when they're currently making 'Immigrants Street', which has been almost universally panned by actual immigrants of all backgrounds and careers, and has allegedly asked people off the street to act like neighbours because there aren't enough 'exemplary' (read bad) people to demonstrate their intended message.
[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;47158523]He's right. Well in a way. I see articles about saying schools are too white, when someone says London is too islamic, they suddenly end up being hung from a street lamp. This hivemind of far left who attack whites and get the attention brings up an army of the far right in the youth. Its bound to happen. It happened in 1933. But the neonazi lingo isnt a good way to make that comment have a point.[/QUOTE] I didn't realize Oswald Mosley was still alive and on FP.
Didnt a labour party member just defect to ukip today?
Voting UKIp doesn't make you a racist, it seems like a pretty sensible thing to do.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47160286]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't UKIP a far-right party of hicks and chavs? At least, that's how I remember it to be when it got started.[/QUOTE] It's hardly far right, hicks and chavs don't really care about politics. Chavs are more or less gone if I'm honest.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47160426]UKIP is, I suppose, akin to the American Republican Party (apart from not being in a two-party system). They're economic and social conservatives, they believe in leaving the EU as soon as possible (hence the 'Independence' part), they want to majorly crack down on immigration, and it's believed that they're in general against nationalised systems. However, they remain fairly schtum on the details of their policies so that they can change them at a moment's notice if they think it'll get them more votes. They're infamous in this country for having almost universal negative press (although that tends to be the case for almost every party, if it gets any press at all), with an awful lot of councillors, candidates and even MEPs (the most high-profile of which being Godfrey Bloom, who'd been part of UKIP for quite a while) getting kicked out for saying racist, homophobic, sexist, or otherwise bigoted things. They're arguably less extreme than they were before the 2010 election, but they're still a pretty large divergence from the current main parties. As stated, I'm not a fan myself, but I hope that this has been a relatively nonpartisan view of the party. [editline]17th February 2015[/editline] Channel 4 can hardly call themselves non-racist when they're currently making 'Immigrants Street', which has been almost universally panned by actual immigrants of all backgrounds and careers, and has allegedly asked people off the street to act like neighbours because there aren't enough 'exemplary' (read bad) people to demonstrate their intended message.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'd say the Republican party is pretty close to the UKIP. Here, let's make a checklist: Hates foreign immigrants - check Is ultraconservative and wants to privatize everything - check Wants little international cooperation - check
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;47158545]Whats actually bad about UKIP in the first place that made someone go and make this? I dont actually know since im American.[/QUOTE] Effectively they are just another group of conservatives- a fair few of them are ex-Tories. their entire platform is built upon Euroscepticism, so all they have to do is blame the EU for as many problems as possible, throw in a few vaguely racist comments about immigration and about being "the only party who puts the ENGLISHMAN first!" and people will vote for them without even looking at some of their more stupid policies (including stuff like throwing out funding to anything to do with green energy- because climate change deniers).
I love how everyone tries to make them look backwards compared to the green party.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;47158545]Whats actually bad about UKIP in the first place that made someone go and make this? I dont actually know since im American.[/QUOTE] Officially, they're the party of "leave the eu because everything bad is the eastern Europeans fault but we're not racist because black people are okay" and that's essentially their whole platform whilst all of their other policies are the same as the conservatives pretty much: Anti-welfare, privatise everything, be owned by capitalists etc. Meanwhile, their politicians are regularly being chucked out for saying stupid crazy often racist things, and their support base is made up of disenfranchised, working class people looking for change, but who've been misdirected, taught to blame the immigrants for all the countries problems and have been turned into bigots. They're seen as a challenge to the political mainstream since the UK has been dominated by two near identical parties for decades, yet all of their members are still the same kind of people (rich, ex-business, public schooled, etc.) many of their key politicians are conservative defectors, including farage himself, and their policies don't actually represent much deviation from the political mainstream beyond leaving the eu and openly blaming immigrants for everything bad. Also they're very small, with less membership than the greens, but they're massively overreported and glamorized by the media, which is why we're still talking about them today.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47167300]Officially, they're the party of "leave the eu because everything bad is the eastern Europeans fault but we're not racist because black people are okay" and that's essentially their whole platform whilst all of their other policies are the same as the conservatives pretty much: Anti-welfare, privatise everything, be owned by capitalists etc. Meanwhile, their politicians are regularly being chucked out for saying stupid crazy often racist things, and their support base is made up of disenfranchised, working class people looking for change, but who've been misdirected, taught to blame the immigrants for all the countries problems and have been turned into bigots. They're seen as a challenge to the political mainstream since the UK has been dominated by two near identical parties for decades, yet all of their members are still the same kind of people (rich, ex-business, public schooled, etc.) many of their key politicians are conservative defectors, including farage himself, and their policies don't actually represent much deviation from the political mainstream beyond leaving the eu and openly blaming immigrants for everything bad. Also they're very small, with less membership than the greens, but they're massively overreported and glamorized by the media, which is why we're still talking about them today.[/QUOTE] Xenophobia is not bigotry or ignorance.
[QUOTE=barrab;47169799]Xenophobia is not bigotry or ignorance.[/QUOTE] Your posts are comedy gold.
[QUOTE=barrab;47169799]Xenophobia is not bigotry or ignorance.[/QUOTE] [quote=Dictionary]"noun 1. an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."[/quote] I'd say it matches ignorance. Also hasn't UKIP been caught out straight up lying about statistics and EU laws before ?
[QUOTE=BreenIsALie;47170756]I'd say it matches ignorance. Also hasn't UKIP been caught out straight up lying about statistics and EU laws before ?[/QUOTE] They have, yes. They once gave a number for how many Bulgarians and Romanians were going to come to the UK that was actually higher than both populations put together ha.
[QUOTE=BreenIsALie;47170756]I'd say it matches ignorance. Also hasn't UKIP been caught out straight up lying about statistics and EU laws before ?[/QUOTE] It's ignorant to look at the country and say "jeez maybe we should pay more attention to our own citizens rather than the rest of the world that happen to be living in our country"? Existence isn't fair and life is decidedly unfair, why should we fall to the level of trying to live in ideals in such an un-idyllic world? It's not ignorance, it's realism. [QUOTE=archangel125;47169999]Your posts are comedy gold.[/QUOTE] "I have nothing to counter anything you're saying so I'll just laugh and bathe in my own self-righteousness instead" Everyone has all these unfriendly things to say about UKIp and its like what? [I]Because other parties have done SO well and because the green party is definitely a realistic saviour?[/I] Come on.
[QUOTE=barrab;47172656]It's ignorant to look at the country and say "jeez maybe we should pay more attention to our own citizens rather than the rest of the world that happen to be living in our country"? Existence isn't fair and life is decidedly unfair, why should we fall to the level of trying to live in ideals in such an un-idyllic world? It's not ignorance, it's realism.[/quote] what are you on about? Why should we let people in our country when people already here are struggling? Is that what you're asking? For one thing, that's a really toxic mindset. Like, some people are more earning of our support than others because they were born on one bit of dirt in stead of this one? Some people who move to the UK actually apply for and receive British citizenship. Does some signing of a document suddenly make it so they start to matter? The vast vast vast majority immigrants come here to work, then they pay taxes, thus earning access to public services. They then spend their money in the UK. But it's not like they take jobs from British born people: immigrants need to be fed, they need to be homed, they need to be connected to infrastructures just like everyone else. They're making the money to pay for these things. Thus, they produce jobs to supply these needs. Immigrants produce jobs. It's not like there's a solid, never changing number of jobs out there, and we hit that just before we started letting immigrants in. There are more jobs when more work needs doing. Even the teeny tiny minority who don't find work and end up on benefits (which is actually next to impossible if you're a recent immigrant, I don't know if you've ever been on any form of benefits but holy shit is it beauracratic ) still need all the same things and produce the same jobs, and spend their benefits in the UK. The only reason there are problems with our public services is because they're underfunded, not overcrowded. The pool of money that goes into public services, taxes, increases proportionately with the number of people in the country, so there should theoretically be enough money to keep everyone covered. Austerity is what's destroying our public services. Seriously, the whole 'immigrants are bad because we have our own problems' or 'immigrants are bad because they're bad for the economy' or 'immigrants are bad because their culture is incompatible with ours' or 'immigrants are bad because they take our jobs' or 'immigrants are bad because they're straining our public services' is all complete nonsense. Maybe some people do believe it, but it's such a crazy bending of rationale to actually get there, I'm convinced the people who do believe it only do because they want to believe it to rationalize and legitimize their primal xenophobia. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame anyone for being xenophobic. It's definitely a primal thing to be scared of people who are different, and the media constantly taps into that and brings it out of us, so if that's where you get your information, that's the way you're going to think. [quote]"I have nothing to counter anything you're saying so I'll just laugh and bathe in my own self-righteousness instead"[/quote] Your counter to my big long paragraph was some irrelevant semantics argument that didn't even work, and didn't actually counter anything I said. Self-righteousness is such a weird insult to use here. Like, it's not okay for people to be compassionate, and factor compassion into their opinions? [quote]Everyone has all these unfriendly things to say about UKIp and its like what? [I]Because other parties have done SO well and because the green party is definitely a realistic saviour?[/I] Come on.[/QUOTE] Do you see what you're doing? You're dancing around all the criticism, and the crux of your response is 'yeah well um they're bad too." That's not an argument if all of those unfriendly things are true. Frankly, if you're comparing UKIP to the other parties, they're near identical to the conservative party in every respect except the EU so, unless you're otherwise a conservative, they should have nothing for you. They're not some outsider who represents any fundamental change to the other parties. Most of their important figures are ex-conservative. Farage sure is. Before he was a tory, in fact, Farage was a financial trader and is ex private school. They're the same old shit as the main parties. Just because the other parties are incompetent or unrepresentative or controlled by corporate lobbying doesn't make UKIP better. UKIP are all of those things. I'd take a labour government over UKIP, even though Labour are shite. Christ, I'd probably take a Tory government over UKIP, because leaving the EU would be disastrous. I'd take the greens over any of the main parties, though, because at least they actually represent ideals in the right direction, and aren't known to be run by oligarchs. Even if their policies are not properly thought out, and they're totally inexperienced, at least their sentiment is a good one. I mean, UKIP is just as inexperienced and incompetent, they were just lucky enough to get a guy who talks well to be their front man, and to get all this crazy media attention. [editline]20th February 2015[/editline] Wow why did I bother writing all of that I need to go to bed.
I was kinda with you up until you said that UKIp is practically the same as the conservatives. I love how everyone instantly assumes you're pro-UKip because of their immigration policies. You know, they aren't kicking everyone out. UKIp isnt as stupid as to not acknowledge england's culture is pieced together from cultures across the world.
[QUOTE=barrab;47180310]I was kinda with you up until you said that UKIp is practically the same as the conservatives. I love how everyone instantly assumes you're pro-UKip because of their immigration policies. You know, they aren't kicking everyone out. UKIp isnt as stupid as to not acknowledge england's culture is pieced together from cultures across the world.[/QUOTE] they're not showing it
[QUOTE=.Lain;47180444]they're not showing it[/QUOTE] Are you trying to tell me there are not racists within other parties? Of course with such policies, there will be and ARE people with ulterior motives within UKIp and they have been rightfully named and shamed. With the elections coming up you're going to be seeing a lot more headlines regarding politicians and after their victory in the European elections, there will be many influential members of society panicking and choosing to smear the somewhat radically different party.
ur good at picking up on words nobody said in the first place [editline]21st February 2015[/editline] ukip is a party full of stupid racist xenophobes. there are parties much like it with the same traits. i don't know why that would change the matter of fact
[QUOTE=.Lain;47186836]ur good at picking up on words nobody said in the first place [editline]21st February 2015[/editline] ukip is a party full of stupid racist xenophobes. there are parties much like it with the same traits. i don't know why that would change the matter of fact[/QUOTE] And tell me, what has led you to believe the party is full of stupid racist xenophobes compared to other parties? The [I]newspaper[/I]?
[QUOTE=barrab;47186859]And tell me, what has led you to believe the party is full of stupid racist xenophobes compared to other parties? The [I]newspaper[/I]?[/QUOTE] idk, the frankly astounding number of times UKIP higher ups and respected members have been caught being racist or demeaning the working class? They barely even try to hide it, with the number of leaked videos of "celebrations" amongst UKIP members, where they are all laughing along to racist jokes and other awful things being hand waved as "one off events" by Farage. Speaking of Farage, why do you want a Thunderbirds puppet to run this place? Guys super fucking easy to see through.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47187120]idk, the frankly astounding number of times UKIP higher ups and respected members have been caught being racist or demeaning the working class? They barely even try to hide it, with the number of leaked videos of "celebrations" amongst UKIP members, where they are all laughing along to racist jokes and other awful things being hand waved as "one off events" by Farage. Speaking of Farage, why do you want a Thunderbirds puppet to run this place? Guys super fucking easy to see through.[/QUOTE] Again, you're implying that UKIp is somehow far worse than the other parties, even to the point where you're straight up caricaturing them. I'm just saying, we need a change if we want to move on from these cunts that run us in circles and if UKIp fucked up, they could very easily be voted out in 2019? Your massively negative opinions have been formed by news articles, not fact. You're pretty blind to media bias when you want to agree with it.
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