Pork found in UK halal prison food - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;39448035]Not sure you understand how nutrition works guy[/QUOTE] there should be a concoction of nutrients with no taste instead of free readily prepared meals. Also you don't need meat let alone "praised" meat to stay alive.

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448309]there should be a concoction of nutrients with no taste instead of free readily prepared meals. Also you don't need meat let alone "praised" meat to stay alive.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that would be tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment. Not being able to taste or eat food for years would mess up your brain, probably creating eating disorders and other mental problems. Prison is to keep people away from society for a certain amount of time, not torture them. Secondly, we live in a country of religious tolerance. Islam is a recognized belief and it's not up to us as a society to take it away from them for no good reason.

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448309]there should be a concoction of nutrients with no taste instead of free readily prepared meals.[/QUOTE] wouldn't that be expensive and impractical though

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;39448354]wouldn't that be expensive and impractical though[/QUOTE] true, maybe it would solve world hunger though. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MrEndangered;39448352]I'm pretty sure that would be tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment. Not being able to taste or eat food for years would mess up your brain, probably creating eating disorders and other mental problems. Prison is to keep people away from society for a certain amount of time, not torture them.[/QUOTE] maybe some reward system for labour could be implemented, far as I know prisoners here do fuck all.

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448358]true, maybe it would solve world hunger though.[/QUOTE] Oh please tell us more o holy one. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;39448358]maybe some reward system for labour could be implemented, far as I know prisoners here do fuck all.[/QUOTE] They've tried that many times. It doesn't work very well. It's called a Token Economy, and the only result was that people would be harassed and bullied for their tokens, forced to do menial tasks for others, and drugs were shipped around prison in response to favors and future prison rewards.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;39448352] Secondly, we live in a country of religious tolerance. Islam is a recognized belief and it's not up to us as a society to take it away from them for no good reason.[/QUOTE] It's not difficult to have a vegetarian option.

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448382]It's not difficult to have a vegetarian option.[/QUOTE] And?

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;39448365] They've tried that many times. It doesn't work very well. It's called a Token Economy, and the only result was that people would be harassed and bullied for their tokens, forced to do menial tasks for others, and drugs were shipped around prison in response to favors and future prison rewards.[/QUOTE] But there's no insentive to work other than just boredom. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sprockethead;39447753]i guess you told me with all those compelling facts. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] You perform halal, by tying the animal down and slicing its throat open with no form of anesthesia. Im not against eating animals, in fact i rather enjoy it, but if i feel bad about animal cruelty, like keeping chickens in boxes they cant even turn in, force feeding geese to change the consistency of their livers, and so forth. I have to be against this.[/QUOTE] Hypocrisy tbh. Would you yourself raise animals then slaughter them?

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448413]But there's no insentive to work other than just boredom.[/QUOTE] That's why they're trying other things. The UK is now allowing companies to set up small machine shops where they work 8 hour days for wages. Then of course there is always educational classes. The fact is, if you're going to take somebody away from society into a tiny building in the middle of nowhere, there is a great deal of things that are too expensive to be practical.

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[QUOTE=AK'z;39448413]Hypocrisy tbh. Would you yourself raise animals then slaughter them?[/QUOTE] yea, its a good deal for the animals biologically speaking, they are protected by humans, they wont be hunted by anything since theyre useful, they are guarranteed food as long as society stands, they are guarranteed to breed, animals dont think, if they do they dont think like we do. They certainly dont mind the fences as long as theres food.

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448309]there should be a concoction of nutrients with no taste instead of free readily prepared meals. Also you don't need meat let alone "praised" meat to stay alive.[/QUOTE] thanks for the input kim jong Please tell us how we can further convert our prisons into gulags

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;39448526]animals dont think, if they do they dont think like we do[/QUOTE] You don't think, if you do you don't think like 21st century human

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;39448526]yea, its a good deal for the animals biologically speaking, they are protected by humans, they wont be hunted by anything since theyre useful, they are guarranteed food as long as society stands, they are guarranteed to breed, animals dont think, if they do they dont think like we do. They certainly dont mind the fences as long as theres food.[/QUOTE] All of what you're saying is true, but would you personally do it? [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;39448545]thanks for the input kim jong Please tell us how we can further convert our prisons into gulags[/QUOTE] those prisons in Minority Report look effective and efficient. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] That's what we must strive for if there's no "work placement" possibility. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_USC-UWiw_Bk/TEWzptnwhPI/AAAAAAAAFNs/7ycb8C993ng/s1600/minority_report06.jpg[/img] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Starpluck))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448675]All of what you're saying is true, but would you personally do it? [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] those prisons in Minority Report look effective and efficient. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] That's what we must strive for if there's no "work placement" possibility. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_USC-UWiw_Bk/TEWzptnwhPI/AAAAAAAAFNs/7ycb8C993ng/s1600/minority_report06.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] What exactly is your beef with prisoners? They are still humans regardless of what arbitrary rules they broke and deserve to be treated as such.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;39448764]What exactly is your beef with prisoners?[/QUOTE] very skilful, i like that.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;39448619]You don't think, if you do you don't think like 21st century human[/QUOTE] people before the 21st century had cognitience, complex social relationships and hopes and dreams. please dont equate all life, or indeed, all mammals as equal, because we arent. Humans won the evolutionary race, those left behind are now a resource to be mended, studied and hopefully responsibly exploited. Some exceptions apply though, You can see how some lifeforms are very close to being like us, like apes and whales, wich is why i dont think you can ethically exploit them.

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448675]All of what you're saying is true, but would you personally do it? [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] those prisons in Minority Report look effective and efficient. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] That's what we must strive for if there's no "work placement" possibility. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_USC-UWiw_Bk/TEWzptnwhPI/AAAAAAAAFNs/7ycb8C993ng/s1600/minority_report06.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]is this satire or are you just an awful person, how does treating them horribly help them at all other than making them spiteful towards everyone

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;39448970]is this satire or are you just an awful person, how does treating them horribly help them at all other than making them spiteful towards everyone[/QUOTE] i like dark comedy but people get upset. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] It's a test of what people care about, you see around here you'll find death penalties acceptable yet prison food is such a sensitive topic

[QUOTE=AK'z;39449228]i like dark comedy but people get upset. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] It's a test of what people care about, you see around here you'll find death penalties acceptable yet prison food is such a sensitive topic[/QUOTE] lol its ok guys i was trolling all along!

Actually IIRC most of facepunch is against the death penalty [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] also dark comedy only works if its funny or clever (yours is neither)

If they're such good muslims... what are they doing in a PRISON? I was raised a muslim and I was under the impression that you kinda... you know... follow the same set of rules all other religions have. Don't steal. Don't cheat. Don't kill. Etc. etc.

Probably already been said, but in terms of the belief of the chance of getting into Paradise, this doesn't mean shit. Judgement in Islam is supposedly based on your niyyah, or your intentions. They didn't mean to eat something that was Haraam. So really if they have any knowledge of their religion, they should only be mildly pissed at this. They're not going to 'go to hell'. Rather, it's more of an issue that fair amounts of pork were found to be part of the diets of people who haven't eaten pork all their lives. Problems from stomach upsets to severe allergic reactions are more of a concern than fallacious assumptions that eating some pork = Hell.

well muslims can "eat" pork if its the only thing that they can eat and so does the food that is not "halal" (aka beheading the animal while saying "by the name of god" it says all the blood from the animal come out and the meat will be clean from blood...or so they told me)

[QUOTE=AK'z;39449228]i like dark comedy but people get upset. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] It's a test of what people care about, you see around here you'll find death penalties acceptable yet prison food is such a sensitive topic[/QUOTE] being fucking stupid isn't "dark comedy" lmao

[QUOTE=AK'z;39448309]there should be a concoction of nutrients with no taste instead of free readily prepared meals. Also you don't need meat let alone "praised" meat to stay alive.[/QUOTE] Its called not being a cunt and respecting peoples beliefs.

[QUOTE=Jsm;39443829]Well no, but it means they won't go to heaven. I dunno if it counts if you do it by accident though.[/QUOTE] Jews and Muslims believe that accidental, forced, and unknowingly consuming pork doesn't count.

[QUOTE=archangel125;39443646]I'm sort of disappointed in a lot of the posters in this thread. It may not seem like a big deal, but it's very culturally significant to those with an Islamic faith, and they deserve to be given true Halal meat.[/QUOTE]

Nothing to get upset about. It's just traces of pork DNA, I bet there's no actual meat in there it's just that a few pigs jerked off into it.